Arcane Divine Oracle [Archive] - Wizards Community

Arcane Divine Oracle [Archive] - Wizards Community

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lasmrah
08-17-04, 12:29 AM Now, I recently got the Complete Divine book, and upon seeing the Divine Oracle prestige class, I thought I had found a very good arcane spellcasting prestige class, but I have never heard anyone mention min/maxing an arcane spellcaster with it. Now, it seems to me it gives you a bunch of good abilities; A bunch of (not very good) bonuses to divination spells, but on the other hand, it gives you basically a better evasion, trap sense, improved uncanny dodge, and complete immunity to suprise, and all at the cost of essentially 1 feat. These seem really handy for a wizard, but I've never head Divine Oracles mentioned on optimization boards. Am I missing something? :confused:
Blade2718
08-17-04, 12:32 AM Yeah, Divine Oracle is a nifty PrC, but if you think about it, Precient Sense is totally geared toward Clerics because of the armored clause in the text. Its not as strong a choice as it once was, back when domain spells used to be directly added to your spells known. Now you just add them to your class spell list for later selection.
troll18
08-20-04, 06:46 PM I have a (Kalamar) Forest Gnome Cleric1/Sorceror2/Paladin2/Divine Oracle6. 32 point buy and standard magic items worth.

The saves are pretty sweet. I have evasion, can't be flanked, and have a max spell level with Practiced Spellcaster. As a bonus I can heal the entire party twice over from dead with Sacred Healing. My attack spells are usually ranged touch so I'm pretty effective offensively.

Name: Gralak
Race: Forest Gnome
Class: Cleric1/Paladin2/Sorceror2/Divine Oracle6
Level: 11
ECL: +0
XPs: 57030

Patron God: The Eye Opener
Alignment: Lawful Good
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Str: 10 (+0) 4 (-2 Race)
Dex: 16 (+3) 6 (+2 Gloves)
Con: 16 (+3) 6 (+2 Amulet)
Int: 14 (+2) 6
Wis: 12 (+1) 2 (+2 Race)
Chr: 23 (+6) 8 (+2 Ability, +2 Race, +4 Cloak)
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HP: 90/90 (11+6+6+11+10+8+7+8+7+8+7)
AC Armored: 23AC (+1 Size, +3 Dex, +5 Darkwood Shield(+3), +4 Mage Armor)
AC Touch: 18AC (+1 Size, +3 Dex, +4 Mage Armor)
Init: +3
Speed: 20'
BAB: +6
Mel: +7 (+6 Class, +1 Size, -1 Str)
Rng: +10 (+6 Class, +1 Size, +3 Dex)
Fort: +19 (+7 Class, +3 Con, +6 Grace, +3 Vest)
Refl: +16 (+2 Class, +3 Dex, +6 Grace, +2 Familiar, +3 Vest)
Will: +20 (+10 Class, +1 Wis, +6 Grace, +3 Vest) Additional +2 vs Illusions.
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Special Abilities
Race:
-2 Strength, +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma.
Small: As a Small creature, a gnome gains a +1 size bonus to Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on Hide checks, but he uses smaller weapons than humans use, and his lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium character.
Gnome base land speed is 20 feet.
Low-Light Vision: A gnome can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. He retains the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions.
Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial weapons rather than exotic weapons.
+2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions.
+1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion spells cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects.
+1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids.
+4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type. Any time a creature loses its Dexterity bonus (if any) to Armor Class, such as when it's caught flat-footed, it loses its dodge bonus, too.
+2 racial bonus to Craft (Alchemy) checks.
+2 racial bonus to Diplomacy. A gnome's ability to speak well determines his success amoung his peers.
Automatic Languages: Common and Gnome. Bonus Languages: Draconic, Dwarven, Low Elven, Giant, Halfling, Hobgoblin, Orc and Sylvan. In addition, a gnome can speak with a burrowing mammal (a badger, fox, rabbit, or the like, see below). This ability is innate to gnomes. See the speak with animals spell description.
Spell-Like Abilities: 1/dayspeak with animals (burrowing mammal only, duration 1 minute). A gnome with a Charisma score of at least 10 also has the following spell-like abilities: 1/day dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation. Caster level 1st; save DC 10 + gnome's Cha modifier + spell level.
Forest Gnomes may take Balance, Escape Artist, Hide and Move Silently as class skills, regardless of character class.
Favored Class: Druid. A multiclass gnome's bard class does not count when determining whether he takes an experience point penalty.

Class:
Armor Proficiency (Light, Medium, Heavy)
Aura of Good
Cast Arcane Spells
Cast Divine Spells
Detect Evil
Divination Enhancement (May roll twice on Augury or Divination spells)
Divine Grace
Domains - Mind, Oracle & Rune
Improved Uncanny Dodge
Lay on Hands (12hps)
Prescient Sense (Evasion)
Scribe Scroll
Scry Bonus (+1 Sacred bonus vs. DC of Divination {Scrying} spells)
Shield Proficiency
Simple & Martial Weapon Proficiency
Smite Evil 1/Day
Summon Familiar
Trap Sense +2
Turn Undead

Other:
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Feats:
Alertness (Familiar)
Empowered Spell (3rd Level)
Practiced Spellcaster (6th Level)
Sacred Healing (9th Level)
Scribe Scroll (Domain Feat)
Skill Focus - Knowledge [Religion] (1st Level)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
lasmrah 08-17-04, 12:29 AM	Now, I recently got the Complete Divine book, and upon seeing the Divine Oracle prestige class, I thought I had found a very good arcane spellcasting prestige class, but I have never heard anyone mention min/maxing an arcane spellcaster with it. Now, it seems to me it gives you a bunch of good abilities; A bunch of (not very good) bonuses to divination spells, but on the other hand, it gives you basically a better evasion, trap sense, improved uncanny dodge, and complete immunity to suprise, and all at the cost of essentially 1 feat. These seem really handy for a wizard, but I've never head Divine Oracles mentioned on optimization boards. Am I missing something? :confused:
Blade2718 08-17-04, 12:32 AM	Yeah, Divine Oracle is a nifty PrC, but if you think about it, Precient Sense is totally geared toward Clerics because of the armored clause in the text. Its not as strong a choice as it once was, back when domain spells used to be directly added to your spells known. Now you just add them to your class spell list for later selection.
troll18 08-20-04, 06:46 PM	I have a (Kalamar) Forest Gnome Cleric1/Sorceror2/Paladin2/Divine Oracle6. 32 point buy and standard magic items worth. The saves are pretty sweet. I have evasion, can't be flanked, and have a max spell level with Practiced Spellcaster. As a bonus I can heal the entire party twice over from dead with Sacred Healing. My attack spells are usually ranged touch so I'm pretty effective offensively. Name: Gralak Race: Forest Gnome Class: Cleric1/Paladin2/Sorceror2/Divine Oracle6 Level: 11 ECL: +0 XPs: 57030 Patron God: The Eye Opener Alignment: Lawful Good ======================================== ======================================== ======================================== ==================== Str: 10 (+0) 4 (-2 Race) Dex: 16 (+3) 6 (+2 Gloves) Con: 16 (+3) 6 (+2 Amulet) Int: 14 (+2) 6 Wis: 12 (+1) 2 (+2 Race) Chr: 23 (+6) 8 (+2 Ability, +2 Race, +4 Cloak) ======================================== ======================================== ======================================== ==================== HP: 90/90 (11+6+6+11+10+8+7+8+7+8+7) AC Armored: 23AC (+1 Size, +3 Dex, +5 Darkwood Shield(+3), +4 Mage Armor) AC Touch: 18AC (+1 Size, +3 Dex, +4 Mage Armor) Init: +3 Speed: 20' BAB: +6 Mel: +7 (+6 Class, +1 Size, -1 Str) Rng: +10 (+6 Class, +1 Size, +3 Dex) Fort: +19 (+7 Class, +3 Con, +6 Grace, +3 Vest) Refl: +16 (+2 Class, +3 Dex, +6 Grace, +2 Familiar, +3 Vest) Will: +20 (+10 Class, +1 Wis, +6 Grace, +3 Vest) Additional +2 vs Illusions. ======================================== ======================================== ======================================== ==================== Special Abilities Race: -2 Strength, +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma. Small: As a Small creature, a gnome gains a +1 size bonus to Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on Hide checks, but he uses smaller weapons than humans use, and his lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium character. Gnome base land speed is 20 feet. Low-Light Vision: A gnome can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. He retains the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions. Weapon Familiarity: Gnomes may treat gnome hooked hammers as martial weapons rather than exotic weapons. +2 racial bonus on saving throws against illusions. +1 to the Difficulty Class for all saving throws against illusion spells cast by gnomes. This adjustment stacks with those from similar effects. +1 racial bonus on attack rolls against kobolds and goblinoids. +4 dodge bonus to Armor Class against monsters of the giant type. Any time a creature loses its Dexterity bonus (if any) to Armor Class, such as when it's caught flat-footed, it loses its dodge bonus, too. +2 racial bonus to Craft (Alchemy) checks. +2 racial bonus to Diplomacy. A gnome's ability to speak well determines his success amoung his peers. Automatic Languages: Common and Gnome. Bonus Languages: Draconic, Dwarven, Low Elven, Giant, Halfling, Hobgoblin, Orc and Sylvan. In addition, a gnome can speak with a burrowing mammal (a badger, fox, rabbit, or the like, see below). This ability is innate to gnomes. See the speak with animals spell description. Spell-Like Abilities: 1/dayspeak with animals (burrowing mammal only, duration 1 minute). A gnome with a Charisma score of at least 10 also has the following spell-like abilities: 1/day dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation. Caster level 1st; save DC 10 + gnome's Cha modifier + spell level. Forest Gnomes may take Balance, Escape Artist, Hide and Move Silently as class skills, regardless of character class. Favored Class: Druid. A multiclass gnome's bard class does not count when determining whether he takes an experience point penalty. Class: Armor Proficiency (Light, Medium, Heavy) Aura of Good Cast Arcane Spells Cast Divine Spells Detect Evil Divination Enhancement (May roll twice on Augury or Divination spells) Divine Grace Domains - Mind, Oracle & Rune Improved Uncanny Dodge Lay on Hands (12hps) Prescient Sense (Evasion) Scribe Scroll Scry Bonus (+1 Sacred bonus vs. DC of Divination {Scrying} spells) Shield Proficiency Simple & Martial Weapon Proficiency Smite Evil 1/Day Summon Familiar Trap Sense +2 Turn Undead Other: ======================================== ======================================== ======================================== ==================== Feats: Alertness (Familiar) Empowered Spell (3rd Level) Practiced Spellcaster (6th Level) Sacred Healing (9th Level) Scribe Scroll (Domain Feat) Skill Focus - Knowledge [Religion] (1st Level)