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Arcane Healer [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Zero Knight
07-25-06, 09:25 AM Im in a high lvl campaign right now, and the DM said we could have a rebuild for most of our stuff. My concept was an arcane healer/buffer, but I dont think im doing too good a job with it.

Pretty much anything is allowed (except Eberron cause none of have any the books) But please tell me where you got them from, cause half the time I wonder where the feats/PrC come from. (and here I thought I was well versed on this kind of stuff.) The campaign is set in Faerun.

I took the Alt Class ability out of the PHB2 to cast metamagics at normal casting time. Diety is Tamara(races of the dragon) so I could get the healing domain. Has the Draconic Rite of passage and Greater Rite of passage(+1 CL to sorc) This (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a)

Base Stats Rolled: 19,18,16,16,12,10

Kobold - Sorc 8, Dracolexi 10 (RoDr)
Str-6
Dex-24 (gloves+6)
Con-16
Int-12
Wis-16
Cha-29 (cloak+6, tome+2)

Feats:
1- Enshew Materials
3- Quicken Spell
6- Arcane Disciple(healing) PrC Bonus-Still
9- Pratical Metamagic(quicken)
12- Sudden Maximize
15- Draconic Reservoir (online suppliment to RoDr, Prereq for greater rite)
18- Havent picked yet

Spells
1st- Magic Missile, Backbiter, PW:Fatige, RoE, Feather Fall. Bonus- Cure Light
2nd- Baleful Transposition, Wings of Cover, Combust, Slide greater, False Life. Bonus- Cure Mod, Speak w/Allies, PW:Weaken
3rd- Mighty Wallop greater, Snakes Swiftness Mass, Curse of Impending Blades, Alter Fortune. Bonus- Cure Serious, Suggestion
4th- Orb of Force,Ruin Delver's Fortune, Resist Energy Mass, Thunderlance. Bonus- Cure Critical
5th- Dim Door greater, Fireburst greater, Telekinesis. Bonus- Cure Light mass PW:Nauseate
6th- Disintegrate, Contigency, Ray of entropy. Bonus- Heal
7th- Limited Wish, Ironguard. Bonus- PW:stun
8th- Celerity greater, Chain Dispell

Draconic words
1- Speak: Speach can be understood by all creatures
4- Prolong: Heal targer =CL, or extend a spell w/o adjustment
7- Invigorate: Grant Temp HP = to Class lvlx2
10- Burn: Deal 5d6 fire, or Empower or enlarge a Firespell w/o adjustment

I originally was going to do a combination of Dracolexi and Combat medic, but I missed the part about you can only use your Draconix words on one person a day, and was using the heal to the party after battles. So I dropped combat medic. This is my first attempt at a high level cast, so its ok to tell me it sucks. :P

Im looking to be a support caster/healer, and planned on taking Timestop as my 9th lvl spell. That plus celerity mean I can have as much time as i need, whenever I need it, and more time to buff.
Sieylianna
07-25-06, 09:40 PM Im in a high lvl campaign right now, and the DM said we could have a rebuild for most of our stuff. My concept was an arcane healer/buffer, but I dont think im doing too good a job with it.

If I wanted to build an arcane healer/buffer, I'd work around the magic of the land feat from races of the wild. Unfortunately, sorcers don't get knowledge - nature which is the key to making that feat work. You could use a feat to pick up all knowledge skills or switch to a bard/sublime chord build.

Another option would be an arcane hierophant (also races of the wild). You're at a high enough level that most of the weakness is behind you.

Ed
Ganbor
07-26-06, 03:06 AM Keep in mind Arcane Disciple is limited to 1/day per spell level, and also does not add to your actual spells known...
Zero Knight
07-26-06, 09:41 AM If I wanted to build an arcane healer/buffer, I'd work around the magic of the land feat from races of the wild. Unfortunately, sorcers don't get knowledge - nature which is the key to making that feat work. You could use a feat to pick up all knowledge skills or switch to a bard/sublime chord build.

Another option would be an arcane hierophant (also races of the wild). You're at a high enough level that most of the weakness is behind you.

Ed

DracoLexi gives me all Knowledge skills, so it would be do-able, and would work well. Cast a 5th lvl spell, heal 10 for MotL, heal 18 for the Draconic word and 13 temp HP for the combat medic or heal 10, add 29 temp HP (13 for combat medic, 16 for 8th lvl dracolexi)

I dont think Arcane Hierophant is for me, Ive never really like the druid class.

Keep in mind Arcane Disciple is limited to 1/day per spell level, and also does not add to your actual spells known...

Oh... wow I must have glossed over that, yeah I would have to taken them at each level. Are there any other ways to cast cure spells as a Sorc? Maybe change one of my 1st lvl spells to cure light and then take Spontaneous Healer?

Also, I could use some advise on some good high level buff spells
Lt_Col_Pilgrim
07-26-06, 10:09 AM A changeling Recaster could add cure light wounds to his/her spell list. - EDIT I see Eberron is not allowed.

I've just started a list tracking means you can use to add to your spell list here:

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=674335

Perhaps your best path is actually Bard / Sublime chord / Combat Medic.
Sisyfos
07-26-06, 10:42 AM Cure light wounds is a worthless spell at level 20. Non combat healing should not be a problem anymore at that levels. Thus the combat healing is critical. For that role all you need is the spell "heal" and perhaps even "mass heal". Can you get those? If so, you are pretty set.

Also arcane healing can be achieved through many ways. Its never quite what divine healing is, but it can be pretty good. Some ideas:
1. Summons (depending on what your DM allows you to summon, some of those "monsters" might be able to heal)
2. Planar bindings (Ghaele etc.)
3. Limited wish (it costs a bit of exp, but not that much)
4. Use magic device (plenty of options there)
5. Mystic theurge (not really arcane healing, but gets both worlds)
6. Cohorts
7. Mitigating damage > healing (and you have many many options here)
8. Shift to plane of positive energy for off combat healing
9. ... running out of ideas for now

Also that sublime chord idea sounded great ;)
colm_l
07-26-06, 12:23 PM A pretty solid Arcane healer is Caelic's changling recaster/war weaver build.

Bard 8/recaster 1/WW1/Sublime Chord2/Recaster2-5/WW2-5

You get better HP than a sorc, solid casting (though not as many slots), the ability to cast multiple spells on your party from a single slot, great metamagic from recaster & to cap it Heal as a 5th level spell.

None too shabby

Recaster
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20050407b&page=3
Changeling is in the MM3
War Weaver is HoB
Lt_Col_Pilgrim
07-26-06, 12:23 PM Combat Medic PrC nets you Heal ... but requires you can cast Cure Light Wounds as a pre-req for the PrC.

So, some options.

First, I know it's not Eberron, but a Changeling Recaster (Races of Eberron) can put ANY spell on their class list. Now, using this for a 1st level spell is kinda weak ... but mass cure light wounds I think counts as cure light wounds and that'd be a 4th level spell. That would let you qualify for Combat Medic and get you the ability to drop heal.

Second, another Eberron option, a Silver Pyromancer adds Paladin spells to it's arcane list ... that nets you the entry.

Third, and this is probably the only non-Eberron option for an arcane healer, is Bard / Sublime Chord / Combat Medic.
Lt_Col_Pilgrim
07-26-06, 12:26 PM And the changeling Recaster could do it with ANY arcane spellcasting class ... wizard, sorcerer, warmage, etc.

I personally think the Warmage -> Recaster -> Combat Medic is amusing as heck. You could play it as bi-polar or MPD ... a perfect changeling mentality.

But Bard/Sublime Chord is more optimized.
Gerdreg
07-26-06, 12:44 PM Bard/ Combat Medic/ War Weaver would eventually (level 20) allow you to cast Heal on the entire Party as a 6th level spell at range.
nbhs275
07-26-06, 12:46 PM be a warforged...lmao..well i does work..be a warforged artifacter....if only ebberon was allowed ...sigh
kilroo
07-27-06, 02:43 PM There's a thread...I think it's the one about spells that change the world...that indicates a way to get three Cure Lights, I think it is, out of a Summon Monster III.

Not the worst healing return rate there is. Takes a few levels to roll out with it though.
Sakris
07-27-06, 04:13 PM War Weaver is crazy (cheese?) with Heal.
carnivore
07-27-06, 06:42 PM try this:

Sorceror 10/ Sacred Exorcist(to get turn undead) 1/ xxxxxxxxx

take the feat: Sacred Healing.....use turn to get Fast Healing 3/ for Cha Bonus Duration

:D

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Zero Knight 07-25-06, 09:25 AM	Im in a high lvl campaign right now, and the DM said we could have a rebuild for most of our stuff. My concept was an arcane healer/buffer, but I dont think im doing too good a job with it. Pretty much anything is allowed (except Eberron cause none of have any the books) But please tell me where you got them from, cause half the time I wonder where the feats/PrC come from. (and here I thought I was well versed on this kind of stuff.) The campaign is set in Faerun. I took the Alt Class ability out of the PHB2 to cast metamagics at normal casting time. Diety is Tamara(races of the dragon) so I could get the healing domain. Has the Draconic Rite of passage and Greater Rite of passage(+1 CL to sorc) This (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a) Base Stats Rolled: 19,18,16,16,12,10 Kobold - Sorc 8, Dracolexi 10 (RoDr) Str-6 Dex-24 (gloves+6) Con-16 Int-12 Wis-16 Cha-29 (cloak+6, tome+2) Feats: 1- Enshew Materials 3- Quicken Spell 6- Arcane Disciple(healing) PrC Bonus-Still 9- Pratical Metamagic(quicken) 12- Sudden Maximize 15- Draconic Reservoir (online suppliment to RoDr, Prereq for greater rite) 18- Havent picked yet Spells 1st- Magic Missile, Backbiter, PW:Fatige, RoE, Feather Fall. Bonus- Cure Light 2nd- Baleful Transposition, Wings of Cover, Combust, Slide greater, False Life. Bonus- Cure Mod, Speak w/Allies, PW:Weaken 3rd- Mighty Wallop greater, Snakes Swiftness Mass, Curse of Impending Blades, Alter Fortune. Bonus- Cure Serious, Suggestion 4th- Orb of Force,Ruin Delver's Fortune, Resist Energy Mass, Thunderlance. Bonus- Cure Critical 5th- Dim Door greater, Fireburst greater, Telekinesis. Bonus- Cure Light mass PW:Nauseate 6th- Disintegrate, Contigency, Ray of entropy. Bonus- Heal 7th- Limited Wish, Ironguard. Bonus- PW:stun 8th- Celerity greater, Chain Dispell Draconic words 1- Speak: Speach can be understood by all creatures 4- Prolong: Heal targer =CL, or extend a spell w/o adjustment 7- Invigorate: Grant Temp HP = to Class lvlx2 10- Burn: Deal 5d6 fire, or Empower or enlarge a Firespell w/o adjustment I originally was going to do a combination of Dracolexi and Combat medic, but I missed the part about you can only use your Draconix words on one person a day, and was using the heal to the party after battles. So I dropped combat medic. This is my first attempt at a high level cast, so its ok to tell me it sucks. :P Im looking to be a support caster/healer, and planned on taking Timestop as my 9th lvl spell. That plus celerity mean I can have as much time as i need, whenever I need it, and more time to buff.
Sieylianna 07-25-06, 09:40 PM	Im in a high lvl campaign right now, and the DM said we could have a rebuild for most of our stuff. My concept was an arcane healer/buffer, but I dont think im doing too good a job with it. If I wanted to build an arcane healer/buffer, I'd work around the magic of the land feat from races of the wild. Unfortunately, sorcers don't get knowledge - nature which is the key to making that feat work. You could use a feat to pick up all knowledge skills or switch to a bard/sublime chord build. Another option would be an arcane hierophant (also races of the wild). You're at a high enough level that most of the weakness is behind you. Ed
Ganbor 07-26-06, 03:06 AM	Keep in mind Arcane Disciple is limited to 1/day per spell level, and also does not add to your actual spells known...
Zero Knight 07-26-06, 09:41 AM	If I wanted to build an arcane healer/buffer, I'd work around the magic of the land feat from races of the wild. Unfortunately, sorcers don't get knowledge - nature which is the key to making that feat work. You could use a feat to pick up all knowledge skills or switch to a bard/sublime chord build. Another option would be an arcane hierophant (also races of the wild). You're at a high enough level that most of the weakness is behind you. Ed DracoLexi gives me all Knowledge skills, so it would be do-able, and would work well. Cast a 5th lvl spell, heal 10 for MotL, heal 18 for the Draconic word and 13 temp HP for the combat medic or heal 10, add 29 temp HP (13 for combat medic, 16 for 8th lvl dracolexi) I dont think Arcane Hierophant is for me, Ive never really like the druid class. Keep in mind Arcane Disciple is limited to 1/day per spell level, and also does not add to your actual spells known... Oh... wow I must have glossed over that, yeah I would have to taken them at each level. Are there any other ways to cast cure spells as a Sorc? Maybe change one of my 1st lvl spells to cure light and then take Spontaneous Healer? Also, I could use some advise on some good high level buff spells
Lt_Col_Pilgrim 07-26-06, 10:09 AM	A changeling Recaster could add cure light wounds to his/her spell list. - EDIT I see Eberron is not allowed. I've just started a list tracking means you can use to add to your spell list here: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=674335 Perhaps your best path is actually Bard / Sublime chord / Combat Medic.
Sisyfos 07-26-06, 10:42 AM	Cure light wounds is a worthless spell at level 20. Non combat healing should not be a problem anymore at that levels. Thus the combat healing is critical. For that role all you need is the spell "heal" and perhaps even "mass heal". Can you get those? If so, you are pretty set. Also arcane healing can be achieved through many ways. Its never quite what divine healing is, but it can be pretty good. Some ideas: 1. Summons (depending on what your DM allows you to summon, some of those "monsters" might be able to heal) 2. Planar bindings (Ghaele etc.) 3. Limited wish (it costs a bit of exp, but not that much) 4. Use magic device (plenty of options there) 5. Mystic theurge (not really arcane healing, but gets both worlds) 6. Cohorts 7. Mitigating damage > healing (and you have many many options here) 8. Shift to plane of positive energy for off combat healing 9. ... running out of ideas for now Also that sublime chord idea sounded great ;)
colm_l 07-26-06, 12:23 PM	A pretty solid Arcane healer is Caelic's changling recaster/war weaver build. Bard 8/recaster 1/WW1/Sublime Chord2/Recaster2-5/WW2-5 You get better HP than a sorc, solid casting (though not as many slots), the ability to cast multiple spells on your party from a single slot, great metamagic from recaster & to cap it Heal as a 5th level spell. None too shabby Recaster http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20050407b&page=3 Changeling is in the MM3 War Weaver is HoB
Lt_Col_Pilgrim 07-26-06, 12:23 PM	Combat Medic PrC nets you Heal ... but requires you can cast Cure Light Wounds as a pre-req for the PrC. So, some options. First, I know it's not Eberron, but a Changeling Recaster (Races of Eberron) can put ANY spell on their class list. Now, using this for a 1st level spell is kinda weak ... but mass cure light wounds I think counts as cure light wounds and that'd be a 4th level spell. That would let you qualify for Combat Medic and get you the ability to drop heal. Second, another Eberron option, a Silver Pyromancer adds Paladin spells to it's arcane list ... that nets you the entry. Third, and this is probably the only non-Eberron option for an arcane healer, is Bard / Sublime Chord / Combat Medic.
Lt_Col_Pilgrim 07-26-06, 12:26 PM	And the changeling Recaster could do it with ANY arcane spellcasting class ... wizard, sorcerer, warmage, etc. I personally think the Warmage -> Recaster -> Combat Medic is amusing as heck. You could play it as bi-polar or MPD ... a perfect changeling mentality. But Bard/Sublime Chord is more optimized.
Gerdreg 07-26-06, 12:44 PM	Bard/ Combat Medic/ War Weaver would eventually (level 20) allow you to cast Heal on the entire Party as a 6th level spell at range.
nbhs275 07-26-06, 12:46 PM	be a warforged...lmao..well i does work..be a warforged artifacter....if only ebberon was allowed ...sigh
kilroo 07-27-06, 02:43 PM	There's a thread...I think it's the one about spells that change the world...that indicates a way to get three Cure Lights, I think it is, out of a Summon Monster III. Not the worst healing return rate there is. Takes a few levels to roll out with it though.
Sakris 07-27-06, 04:13 PM	War Weaver is crazy (cheese?) with Heal.
carnivore 07-27-06, 06:42 PM	try this: Sorceror 10/ Sacred Exorcist(to get turn undead) 1/ xxxxxxxxx take the feat: Sacred Healing.....use turn to get Fast Healing 3/ for Cha Bonus Duration :D