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Rashomon 04-17-05, 11:21 PM	1 Swashbuckler 2 Swashbuckler 3 Swashbuckler 4 Fighter 5 Fighter 6 Deepwood Sniper 7 Cragtop Archer 8 Champion of Corellon Larethian 9 Champion of Corellon Larethian 10 Deepwood Sniper 11 Deepwood Sniper 12 Deepwood Sniper 13 Deepwood Sniper 14 Deepwood Sniper 15 Deepwood Sniper 16 Cragtop Archer 17 Cragtop Archer 18 Peerless Archer 19 Peerless Archer 20 Peerless Archer +18 Fort +12 Ref +6 Will (using fractional save progression, because I'm lazy) Base Rac Enh Inh Lvl Total Modifier Strength 12 -2 4 14 2 Dexterity 16 2 6 5 5 34 12 Constitution 14 -2 6 18 4 Intelligence 16 2 6 4 28 9 Wisdom 10 4 14 2 Charisma 8 2 10 Equipment: 2x +1 sure striking bow of distance and radiant holding. Though highly improbable with standard L20 wealth, not to mention somewhat redeundant, try and fit in the Bow of the Solars slaying ability on them. Quiver of Anariel, producing +5 adamantine arrows. Belt of magnificence, as it should be costed (86k or so, have an artificer cohort make it with discount cheese) Bracers of armor +8 Command word item(s) of Grave Strike, Golem Strike, Vine Strike, Ghost Strike, Guided Shot and Hawkeye (all from Complete Adventurer) Her mission in life is to polymorph into arrow demon form, then using Power Shot to add 20 damage to her arrow shots, while resolving her attacks as touch attacks thanks to the radiant holding enchantments. She can fire touch attack arrows doing +20 power attack damage +5 collision damage +5 enhancement damage from quiver of Anariel arrows +9 Int modifier damage from Swashbuckler 3 +12 Dex modifier damage from Champion of Corellon Larethian 2 +2 from strength +2 damage from Cragtop Archer 2 +1 from moutnain warrior +1 base force damage from the bolt of radiant holding for a total of 57 damage per arrow. Add Grave Strike, Golem Strike, and Vine Strike (lets you sneak attack undead, constructs and plants respectively), as well as Hunter's mercy (Automatic hit, automatic threat) and Improved ranged critical x2 from Deepwood Sniper 7 Multipliy by 5 to 285 damage per arrow, effective against all the traditionally SA immunes (admittedly this is iffy, but there could be a strong case for allowing all precision damage to be affected by this as well, being that even +21 precision from CoCL and Swashbuckler don't compare to the 10d6 a rogue can EASILY do with those spells active.). Against crit immunes, damage drops drastically, but most crit immunes don't need that much damage to take out due to lack of Con score. In arrow demon form, she can fire 12 times a round with Rapid Shot and Haste, to a range of [110 (base range for composite longbow) x 2 (Far Shot + Hawkeye) + 70 (Deepwood Sniper 7)] x 15 = 4350 feet. Thoughts?
Mommy was an Orc 04-17-05, 11:40 PM	There's at least a few major problems with the build - CoC and Swashbuckler's abilities don't apply to ranged weapons...
the shaderaven 04-18-05, 12:05 AM	For starters the elegant strike ability of the CoCL does apply only to attack rolls with longsword, rapier, elven thinblade, elven lightblade, elven courtsword and scimitar... not to bows. Also the swashbuckler insightfull strike aplies only to attacks with light or finessable weapons. The bow is not a finessable weapon. Also use-activated item of hunter's mercy is something that should be considered epic item on the same shelf with use activated true strike. No its not iffy and there is no strong case. Creatures immune to sneack attacks OR critical hits are immune to the Insightfull strike (well it does not apply to bow attacks on the first place, but even if it does) damage. This spells negate their immunity to sneack attacks, but they DO NOT negate their immunity to critical hits. So Insightfull strike is still useless against them. Radiant holding is a property that can only be placed on ranged ammunition and NOT on the ranged weapons themselves.
Jeremymc 04-18-05, 12:50 AM	Is the "arrow demon" from some ACTUAL book, or did someone just homebrew it. It seems rather... well... pointless.
Kessalin Talira 04-18-05, 04:20 AM	Monster Manual III. Wields two bows at once.
Rashomon 04-18-05, 05:47 AM	Fair enough. Just needed feedback. Thanks, in any case.
Talen Lee 04-18-05, 10:55 AM	Ern, I can't see how this character can polymorph into an Arrow Demon anyway - she's not an outsider.
primetimekiller 04-18-05, 11:09 AM	rng : ranger fgt : fighter oob : order of the bow initiate dws : deepwood sniper pa : peerless archer for a human: 01 rng1 track, favored enemy, point blank shot, farshot 02 fgt1 rapid shot 03 fgt2 precise shot, weapon focus (any bow) 04 fgt3 05 fgt4 weapon specialization (any bow) 06 oob1 quickdraw, ranged sneak attack +1d6 07 oob2 close combat shot 08 pa1 expert bowyer, ranged sneak attack +2d6 09 pa2 improved intitative, sharp shooting 1, fletching +1 10 pa3 power shot 11 oob3 ranged sneak attack +3d6 12 oob4 improved critical,superior weapon focus 13 oob5 ranged sneak attack +4d6 14 oob6 free attack, zen archery(OotBI) 15 oob7 zen archery (Feat), superior weapon specialization 16 dws1 Keen arrows, range increment +10 ft./level 17 dws2 Concealment reduction 10%, magic weapon,projectile improved critical +1 18 oob8 blooded, Ranged sneak attack +5d6 19 oob9 Banked shot 20 oob10 ranged sneak attack +6d6 BAB: +20 Saves : FORT +12 REF +12 WILL +9 Hitpoints: 18d10+2d8+ CON mod Initiative : DEX mod +6 You may want to susbtitute blooded with Sharp Shooting if you are not playing with character regions or cannot qualify for blooded. Advantages : Full BAB progression DEX and WIS apply to AB You get Superior Weapon Focus and Specialization You don't provoke any AoOs. You can "Power Attack" your ranged attacks Ability to sneak attack (6d6 extra damage) Disadvantages : Since the focus lies on your DEX and WIS scores and your STR is somekind of secondary ability score (mighty bows) you will be on quite low hit points. May be dependant on a party's spell caster for weapon enhancement No spellcasting ability WIS modifier from Improved Zen Archery does not stack on distances above 30 feet. but ithink its solid
primetimekiller 04-18-05, 11:10 AM	Ern, I can't see how this character can polymorph into an Arrow Demon anyway - she's not an outsider. and even if he could... he cant use the additional arms... ;-( which suck i think they should change the rules on polymorph
Talen Lee 04-18-05, 11:27 AM	I agree completely, though I suspect our base rationale is not the same.