Are these abuseable? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Are these abuseable? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ressurrector
11-07-06, 10:09 PM Looking through Dragonmarked, and found a couple interesting abilities on some of the classes:
Immunity to fatigue, exhaustion makes you fatigued instead
reduce miss chance by 20% (min 0%)
hide in crowd: like HiPS, but requires 3 other nearby creatures.
Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attack
Contagion that can simulate any disease you have helped someone overcome with a heal check
Ghost Writing: Duplicate the spell on a scroll (cannot have an xp or material componant costing over 1gp)
Permanant +2 to a physical ability score, +10' speed, +2 NA (at 10th level)

Any of these sound worth using?
Cael
11-07-06, 10:13 PM Looking through Dragonmarked, and found a couple interesting abilities on some of the classes:
Immunity to fatigue, exhaustion makes you fatigued instead
reduce miss chance by 20% (min 0%)
hide in crowd: like HiPS, but requires 3 other nearby creatures.
Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attack
Contagion that can simulate any disease you have helped someone overcome with a heal check
Ghost Writing: Duplicate the spell on a scroll (cannot have an xp or material componant costing over 1gp)
Permanant +2 to a physical ability score, +10' speed, +2 NA (at 10th level)

Any of these sound worth using?
The Permanent +2 one sounds good, but that is only because I am a stat fiend. Stat increases to me are like shiny things to a magpie... :D

Immunity to Fatigue can help in a large number of situations, including Barbarian Rage and Dervish Dance.

Dimension Door is always good for anyone not able to cast it.

But none of them sound broken.
rilem
11-07-06, 10:51 PM These aren't the abusable ones, though they're not bad. They don't compare with the ones that make you immune to dazing/stunning or never be flat-footed. With the spell celerity, that essentially means that spellcasters always win (even more than usual).
tsuyoshikentsu
11-08-06, 12:02 AM But none of them sound broken.Did you not notice the contagion one? Now, instead of infecting yourself with Festering Anger, you just have to FIND it!
Tenebrous_Sage
11-08-06, 12:15 AM Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attackThis could be good with a shadow pounce build. Depends on the specifics.
ressurrector
11-08-06, 12:17 AM Personally I thought the ability to ignore 20% of concealment would be handy, combine this with an ability that lets you treat full concealment as partial concealment, and your Sneak Attacker will never loose SA to concealment again!

This could be good with a shadow pounce build. Depends on the specifics.
the specifics are such that you MUST use a move action to cast dimension leap (dosen't have to be from a dragonmark however by strict RAW!) and that it's 10th level ability in a PrC with full bab and no spellcasting.
The same PrC also allows you to bring others with you, if you're in contact with them and they are willing.
Dimension leap extra uses per day, of course.

There's a section on adaptation for a game with no dragonmarks:
requires ability to spontaneously cast dimension door.
dimention leap class level times /day by using a 0th level spellslot.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ressurrector 11-07-06, 10:09 PM	Looking through Dragonmarked, and found a couple interesting abilities on some of the classes: Immunity to fatigue, exhaustion makes you fatigued instead reduce miss chance by 20% (min 0%) hide in crowd: like HiPS, but requires 3 other nearby creatures. Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attack Contagion that can simulate any disease you have helped someone overcome with a heal check Ghost Writing: Duplicate the spell on a scroll (cannot have an xp or material componant costing over 1gp) Permanant +2 to a physical ability score, +10' speed, +2 NA (at 10th level) Any of these sound worth using?
Cael 11-07-06, 10:13 PM	Looking through Dragonmarked, and found a couple interesting abilities on some of the classes: Immunity to fatigue, exhaustion makes you fatigued instead reduce miss chance by 20% (min 0%) hide in crowd: like HiPS, but requires 3 other nearby creatures. Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attack Contagion that can simulate any disease you have helped someone overcome with a heal check Ghost Writing: Duplicate the spell on a scroll (cannot have an xp or material componant costing over 1gp) Permanant +2 to a physical ability score, +10' speed, +2 NA (at 10th level) Any of these sound worth using? The Permanent +2 one sounds good, but that is only because I am a stat fiend. Stat increases to me are like shiny things to a magpie... :D Immunity to Fatigue can help in a large number of situations, including Barbarian Rage and Dervish Dance. Dimension Door is always good for anyone not able to cast it. But none of them sound broken.
rilem 11-07-06, 10:51 PM	These aren't the abusable ones, though they're not bad. They don't compare with the ones that make you immune to dazing/stunning or never be flat-footed. With the spell celerity, that essentially means that spellcasters always win (even more than usual).
tsuyoshikentsu 11-08-06, 12:02 AM	But none of them sound broken.Did you not notice the contagion one? Now, instead of infecting yourself with Festering Anger, you just have to FIND it!
Tenebrous_Sage 11-08-06, 12:15 AM	Dimension door at 1/2 range as move action, then full attackThis could be good with a shadow pounce build. Depends on the specifics.
ressurrector 11-08-06, 12:17 AM	Personally I thought the ability to ignore 20% of concealment would be handy, combine this with an ability that lets you treat full concealment as partial concealment, and your Sneak Attacker will never loose SA to concealment again! This could be good with a shadow pounce build. Depends on the specifics. the specifics are such that you MUST use a move action to cast dimension leap (dosen't have to be from a dragonmark however by strict RAW!) and that it's 10th level ability in a PrC with full bab and no spellcasting. The same PrC also allows you to bring others with you, if you're in contact with them and they are willing. Dimension leap extra uses per day, of course. There's a section on adaptation for a game with no dragonmarks: requires ability to spontaneously cast dimension door. dimention leap class level times /day by using a 0th level spellslot.