Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mystic Ninja 01-02-06, 10:12 AM	I was looking at the Artificer as a posibility for an upcomming game, what with his versitility and realised something, as with all things, the artificer is a potentially better cleric archer then a cleric. Now artificers aren't my fortay so I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on a build [I have access to almost all the books - except a few brand newies that aren't available over here in Aus yet, at least not at my FLGS] that would be able to utilise the insane versitility of the artificer. Also, while on the topic of an artificer being better then anyone for anything I just had a thought Human: Psion 1 / Artificer 2 Feats: Assume Supernatural ability, Snake Blooded, Item Familiar, Extroadinary Artisan, [FLAW - Any]. With his item familiar boosted XP he can craft a scroll of Polymorph Any Object [granted DC 35 isn't gonna be easy but its easy to get a check of +25 which means that a statistically normal roll of 10.5 is a success in crafting the scroll]. At this point the game ends and you win, 2 levels before Pun-Pun does, and a level before the Omnisifier knows about you. [Note 1: I left the Psion bonus feat empty as I wasn't certain if they needed a feat for their psi-crystal, if they don't then you don't need a flaw]. [Note 2: I realised some people may disagree with my complying with the pre-reqs for assume supernatural ability, if you are one feel free to change the race to changling and add a secondary flaw [or keep the one in leu of note 1]].
Pinky's brain 01-02-06, 10:20 AM	Spell trigger/completion items have caster level prerequisites.
Mystic Ninja 01-02-06, 10:26 AM	Spell trigger/completion items have caster level prerequisites. Its a scroll, with +25 to use magic device you can't fail to activate it really.
Taeldrin Laesrash 01-02-06, 10:27 AM	Besides, how does this beat Pun-Pun? Remember, he can do what your character can, but a gazillion times better.
Pinky's brain 01-02-06, 10:27 AM	Taeldrin, pun pun can't be beaten ... but he can be beaten to the punch. Mystic, a caster level prerequisite to craft ... The attraction of a cleric archer is zen archery ... which the artificer doesn't really benefit from. A warforged artificer works better as a thrower Id say, give him some life drinker axes to throw :)
Mystic Ninja 01-02-06, 10:48 AM	Taeldrin, pun pun can't be beaten ... but he can be beaten to the punch. Mystic, a caster level prerequisite to craft ... The attraction of a cleric archer is zen archery ... which the artificer doesn't really benefit from. A warforged artificer works better as a thrower Id say, give him some life drinker axes to throw :) I never noticed that part of the text [and lets be honest here the pun pun beating was just to get more peoples attention]. I was hoping to avoid it but I suppose he'll have to buy a scroll [which delays the whole deal to 4th character level - Damn!], I was thinking of using artificer for the early access to the crazy self buffs [in addition to the ability to filch em from both wizard and cleric. I was actually hoping to avoid warforged if possible, as I simply don't like em. Shoulda made it clear in the OP that I was gonna be Human if possible. The idea of throwing hadn't ocurred to me yet, so thats another potential avenue. Yeah without Zen archery I'll probably hit some MAD.
Caelic 01-02-06, 11:09 AM	I know I have an archificer build posted somewhere; I'll see if I can dig it up. Archery is an excellent choice for a combat Artificer, as his hit points are somewhat lackluster for a melee specialist. The trick to the Archificer is to take all of the best Ranger archery spells and combine them with the spells that make the Cleric-Archer so useful.
Pinky's brain 01-02-06, 01:36 PM	I was thinking of using artificer for the early access to the crazy self buffs [in addition to the ability to filch em from both wizard and cleric. I was actually hoping to avoid warforged if possible, as I simply don't like em. Shoulda made it clear in the OP that I was gonna be Human if possible. The idea of throwing hadn't ocurred to me yet, so thats another potential avenue. Yeah without Zen archery I'll probably hit some MAD.If you aren't shy of polymorph then MAD won't be much of a problem at higher levels with throwing, brutal throw and persistent draconic polymorph to the rescue.
Taeldrin Laesrash 01-02-06, 03:05 PM	So the Pun-Pun beating was a joke? I really hope so. But if you want a good artificer, replace the Psion level with a Cleric level, so you can wear heavy armor and apply buffing spells to yourself more often.
Mystic Ninja 01-02-06, 03:46 PM	So the Pun-Pun beating was a joke? I really hope so. But if you want a good artificer, replace the Psion level with a Cleric level, so you can wear heavy armor and apply buffing spells to yourself more often. Actually I misread something that I had always considered stupidly overpowered. Now its simply regular overpowered ;). The psion level was for a psicrystal and not part of my actual build which will be pure artificer if possible.