Artificier Creationist Help Needed [Archive] - Wizards Community

Artificier Creationist Help Needed [Archive] - Wizards Community

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warman61
10-28-05, 02:27 AM I need a superior Artificier build focused on creation. A few golems, plenty of magic items, and maybe even a skyship or two... You know, the lab mage that comes up with the right items at the right time. And I need this ASAP, as our game begins in about a week and a half, maybe two.

Thanks! :)
X-Codes
10-28-05, 02:41 AM Artificier 20

Congratulations, you are now the most powerful character in the game unless you count Kobold Egoists. In that case you are tied for first.
PhoenixInferno
10-28-05, 02:42 AM Read (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7553080&postcount=1)

I would also link you to the Optimized Artificer thread, but I don't have the link handy...
warman61
10-28-05, 03:03 AM Sorry, forgot the restrictions. My DM is using the point buy system with a 32 point alotment. My rough idea is multi-classing a level or two in marshal for the X2 Charisma skills bonus, a level of Human Paragon level for its inherent skills and abilities, utilizing the standard artisan feats, etc. My problem is that I don't know enough about builds, I've never worked one out and don't have the time to verse myself on the intricacies (sp) of that fine art at the moment. I've heard people suggest skill focus UMD, or Nymph's Kiss. UMD + items to increase item cration abilities. That sort of thing. I'm not sure where to go, and so here I am. :(
X-Codes
10-28-05, 03:25 AM Don't bother with multiclassing. A superior artificier build doesn't need multiclassing. Hell, a superior artificier build barely needs feats. Get SF (Use Magic Device) at level 1 and keep a UMD item around starting at level 3 (+5 at level 3, and going up +1 each level since that seems to be the CL req. on skill boost items nowandays). At level 3 you will have a +17 UMD bonus assuming 16 charisma. At level 7 (the level you get Craft Wand) it will be +26 assuming 18 charisma. It might even break +30 at level 8.

I'm not even trying, and already the one thing holding the artificier back is not a practical issue.

Craft Construct comes in at level 6 at the earliest.
jameswilliamogle
10-28-05, 10:35 AM If you can use Magic of Incarnum, forget Skill Focus: UMD and get Shape Soulmeld: Mage's Spectacles instead for +4 UMD, Spellcraft, and (some other skill) (you can't have any "Lens" magic items while wearing these). Get your DM to let you get a Masterwork UMD toolkit, too. Make a Circlet of Persuasion, as well as a UMD +5 item (as has been suggested). You could have as much as a +23 UMD, (+27 for scrolls) at 3rd w/ a 16 Cha. If you're a human or SH halfling, Nymph's Kiss is strictly better than the feat above, but you'd have to maintain Exalted status, which I think is a pain in the butt. Don't forget to put about 3 points or so into your craft skills so that you could take 10 and hit a DC 20.

As you can see, the build isn't as important as the items and skills for the Artificer. You have to decide kind of early if you want to be a Blastificer of Bufficer on whether you want to take offensive Metamagic feats (twin spell, empower spell, maximize spell) or defensive feats (persistant spell, etc); quicken spell is important to get around the time you get metamagic trigger; take Leadership if allowed at 6th, as you'll have a decent Cha already, and you can use the followers to Aid Another your UMD action to get really powerful items (if you specify they have ranks in it that is - talk to your DM).
Santherus
10-28-05, 02:27 PM Minor niggle with the leadership/aid another thing:

From the SRD:

Special: You cannot take 10 with this skill.
You can’t aid another on Use Magic Device checks. Only the user of the item may attempt such a check.
jameswilliamogle
10-28-05, 07:44 PM Minor niggle with the leadership/aid another thing:

From the SRD:

Special: You cannot take 10 with this skill.
You can’t aid another on Use Magic Device checks. Only the user of the item may attempt such a check.oops! forgot about that... was thinking about the incanatrix thread and spellcraft :D
Sithraldor
10-31-05, 04:48 AM don't forget about skill mastery in later levels you can take 10 of UMD check then

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
warman61 10-28-05, 02:27 AM	I need a superior Artificier build focused on creation. A few golems, plenty of magic items, and maybe even a skyship or two... You know, the lab mage that comes up with the right items at the right time. And I need this ASAP, as our game begins in about a week and a half, maybe two. Thanks! :)
X-Codes 10-28-05, 02:41 AM	Artificier 20 Congratulations, you are now the most powerful character in the game unless you count Kobold Egoists. In that case you are tied for first.
PhoenixInferno 10-28-05, 02:42 AM	Read (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=7553080&postcount=1) I would also link you to the Optimized Artificer thread, but I don't have the link handy...
warman61 10-28-05, 03:03 AM	Sorry, forgot the restrictions. My DM is using the point buy system with a 32 point alotment. My rough idea is multi-classing a level or two in marshal for the X2 Charisma skills bonus, a level of Human Paragon level for its inherent skills and abilities, utilizing the standard artisan feats, etc. My problem is that I don't know enough about builds, I've never worked one out and don't have the time to verse myself on the intricacies (sp) of that fine art at the moment. I've heard people suggest skill focus UMD, or Nymph's Kiss. UMD + items to increase item cration abilities. That sort of thing. I'm not sure where to go, and so here I am. :(
X-Codes 10-28-05, 03:25 AM	Don't bother with multiclassing. A superior artificier build doesn't need multiclassing. Hell, a superior artificier build barely needs feats. Get SF (Use Magic Device) at level 1 and keep a UMD item around starting at level 3 (+5 at level 3, and going up +1 each level since that seems to be the CL req. on skill boost items nowandays). At level 3 you will have a +17 UMD bonus assuming 16 charisma. At level 7 (the level you get Craft Wand) it will be +26 assuming 18 charisma. It might even break +30 at level 8. I'm not even trying, and already the one thing holding the artificier back is not a practical issue. Craft Construct comes in at level 6 at the earliest.
jameswilliamogle 10-28-05, 10:35 AM	If you can use Magic of Incarnum, forget Skill Focus: UMD and get Shape Soulmeld: Mage's Spectacles instead for +4 UMD, Spellcraft, and (some other skill) (you can't have any "Lens" magic items while wearing these). Get your DM to let you get a Masterwork UMD toolkit, too. Make a Circlet of Persuasion, as well as a UMD +5 item (as has been suggested). You could have as much as a +23 UMD, (+27 for scrolls) at 3rd w/ a 16 Cha. If you're a human or SH halfling, Nymph's Kiss is strictly better than the feat above, but you'd have to maintain Exalted status, which I think is a pain in the butt. Don't forget to put about 3 points or so into your craft skills so that you could take 10 and hit a DC 20. As you can see, the build isn't as important as the items and skills for the Artificer. You have to decide kind of early if you want to be a Blastificer of Bufficer on whether you want to take offensive Metamagic feats (twin spell, empower spell, maximize spell) or defensive feats (persistant spell, etc); quicken spell is important to get around the time you get metamagic trigger; take Leadership if allowed at 6th, as you'll have a decent Cha already, and you can use the followers to Aid Another your UMD action to get really powerful items (if you specify they have ranks in it that is - talk to your DM).
Santherus 10-28-05, 02:27 PM	Minor niggle with the leadership/aid another thing: From the SRD: Special: You cannot take 10 with this skill. You can’t aid another on Use Magic Device checks. Only the user of the item may attempt such a check.
jameswilliamogle 10-28-05, 07:44 PM	Minor niggle with the leadership/aid another thing: From the SRD: Special: You cannot take 10 with this skill. You can’t aid another on Use Magic Device checks. Only the user of the item may attempt such a check.oops! forgot about that... was thinking about the incanatrix thread and spellcraft :D
Sithraldor 10-31-05, 04:48 AM	don't forget about skill mastery in later levels you can take 10 of UMD check then