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OrionNo9 07-15-06, 01:26 PM	I have always enjoyed the concept of an armorless melee fighter, who use wit and dexterity over burnt strength. While CW included a 20-lvl class for this time of fighter, it sucks IMO. For one it is not even an armorless class, but with that aside the class is only good for first 3 levels, again IMO. So below is my attempt to build a good armorless melee fighter who is not depend on magic nor psionics. Here is what I got so far, and hopefully all you out here you know more about character optimization can help me improve this build: Race: Human lvl. Class Base Attack Fort. Ref. Will Special Feats Fighting Defensivly AC bonus 1 Ranger 1 +1 +2 +2 0 Favored enemy, Track, wild empathy Dogde, Mobility -3 +2 2 Swash. 1 +2 +4 +2 0 Weapon Finesse -2 +2 3 Barbarian 1 +3 +5 +3 0 Fast movement, rage 1/day Weapon Focus (Rapier) -1 +2 4 Swash. 2 +4 +6 +3 0 Grace +1 +0 +3* * 5+ ranks in Tumble 5 Swash. 3 +5 +6 +4 +1 Insightful strike +1 +3 6 Barbarian 2 +6/+1 +7 +4 +1 Uncanny dodge Elusive Target [CW] +2/-3 +3 7 Duelist 1 +7/+2 +7 +6 +1 Canny defense +3/-2 +3 8 Duelist 2 +8/+3 +7 +7 +1 Improved reation +2 +4/-1 +3 9 Duelist 3 +9/+4 +8 +7 +2 Enhanced mobility Einhander [PH2] +5/+0 +5 10 Duelist 4 +10/+5 +8 +8 +2 Grace +3 +6/+1 +5 11 Duelist 5 +11/+6/+1 +8 +8 +2 Precise strike +1d6 +7/+2/-3 +5 12 Duelist 6 +12/+7/+2 +9 +9 +3 Acrobatic charge Combat Intuition [CAd] +8/+3/-2 +5 13 Duelist 7 +13/+8/+3 +9 +9 +3 Elaborate parry +9/+4/-1 +12 14 Duelist 8 +14/+9/+4 +9 +10 +3 Improved reation +4 +10/+5/+0 +13 15 Duelist 9 +15/+10/+5 +10 +10 +4 Deflect Arrows Combat Acrobat [PH2] +11/+6/+1 +14 16 Duelist 10 +16/+11/+6/+1 +10 +11 +4 Precise strike +2d6 +12/+7/+2/-3 +15 17 Rogue 1 +16/+11/+6/+1 +10 +13 +4 Sneak attack +1d6, trapfinding +12/+7/+2/-3 +15 18 Ranger 2 +17/+12/+7/+2 +11 +14 +4 Combat style Iron Will +13/+8/+3/-2 +15 19 Rogue 2 +18/+13/+8/+3 +11 +15 +4 Evasion +14/+9/+4/-1 +15 20 Rogue 3 +19/+14/+9/+4 +12 +15 +5 Sneak attack +2d6, trap sense +1 +15/+10/+5/+0 +15 By 9th level I should be able to wear no amour with having a totally crappy AC, also using Elaborate parry at 3rd level I should be able to fight most rounds defensively and for a well above par AC and only reducing my BAB to ~3/4 level which should allow me to hit a decent amount of the time. What worries me about this build is my low will save, pair that with my low wisdom score, also my last two feats I just through in to complete the build I am sure there are better chooses I am just not aware of. Well hopefully I have told enough of what I want, now please help me optimize this build.
SeraphimDominion 07-15-06, 01:51 PM	A potential fix for the low Will save is this: If your Con is good, you can try to fit in a 3rd level of Ranger to get Endurance, and then take Steadfast Determination, which lets you add your Con mod instead of your Wis mod for your Will save.
runestar 07-15-06, 01:53 PM	I would normally recommend dropping barb and take 1 lv of monk together with the kungfu genius feat for your int mod to ac... :)
shuman 07-18-06, 09:46 AM	Where is the feat Kungfu Genius? Cant find it. Thanks.
Reiner 07-18-06, 10:39 AM	Its in one of the dragon magizines. The feat, Carmendine monk is basically the same, if not better, and is in Champions of Valour.
Zelazny 07-25-06, 09:46 PM	This is my build, for a swashbuckler. Not quite optimal, but i'm looking forward to getting there: Pro's Int, Wis and Dex to AC, which at higher levels, with stat boosts will work out nicely. Con Lower BAB Swashbuckler 1 Swashbuckler 2 Swashbuckler 3 Monk 1 Monk 2 Monk 3 Fluff 1 Fluff 2 Duelist 1 Duelist 2 Duelist 3 Duelist 4 Duelist 5 Duelist 6 Duelist 7 Duelist 8 Duelist 9 Duelist 10 Fluff 3 Fluff 4 Where the fluff classes can be filled out by yourself. I'm still considering thief-acrobat for the jumpy swashy kind of swashbuckler or the barbarian for the speed increase and obvious advantages, which with the higher BAB will allow you to move into Duelist at level 8, instead of level 9.