Auto succeed Saves [Archive] - Wizards Community

Auto succeed Saves [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lo77o
10-27-06, 07:00 AM Im trying to make a tainted sorcerer, but im not interested in more then 1 level of the class.

To take other classes i need to succeed a will safe dc10+taint, but ill be undead and my taint will be sky high.

Is there any item, spell, class or anything that grants me the ability to succeed 1 save a day or a week or something?
JulesLetters
10-27-06, 12:35 PM Surprisingly, there's no spell, even Wish, that will let you automatically succeed on a save.

However, there's a psionic power from a Mind's Eye web enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20041029a):

Change Fate
Clairsentience
Level: Psion/wilder 5, psychic warrior 5
Display: Mental, Visual
Manifesting Time: 1 immediate action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: See text
Saving Throw: None
Power Resistance: No
Power Points: 9, XP
Change fate allows you to automatically get a roll of "20" on one saving throw or ability check (the next saving
throw or ability check you make after manifesting the power). You can also choose to get a roll of 20 on a skill
check (both provided the skill can be used untrained). You choose to manifest this power instead of rolling the
d20. You can manifest this power instantly so that you can gain its benefits in a clutch situation. Manifesting the
power is an immediate action, like manifesting a quickened power, and it counts toward the normal limit of one
quickened power per round. You can use this power even when it's not your turn.
Your effective roll of 20 guarantees success on a saving throw. Your effective roll of 20 may or may not give you
success on an ability check. If you use the power to make a skill check, apply only the roll of 20, plus your
relevant ability modifier -- ranks and other modifiers do not apply.
XP Cost: 500 XP.

However, this is from a metagame perspective. In-game, I doubt your character would have any idea the save is being made, nor when, nor might said character think to protect himself in a way such as this. The Will save being made represents a twist towards the Tainted.
Prominence
10-27-06, 12:38 PM Pump the stats, pump the save, get the Pride domain.
Lo77o
10-27-06, 12:41 PM Its hard to pump the save... when my taint will be in the hundreds.
JulesLetters
10-27-06, 12:43 PM Pump the stats, pump the save, get the Pride domain.

Pride only lets you reroll once, doesn't it? I seem to recall a few class abilities that eliminate fails on natural ones, though...
Prominence
10-27-06, 12:44 PM Check out the omnifiscer then, I think it gets infinite saves?

If I'm not mistaken, you're trying to do a version of http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=8519010 right?
ChristopherGroves
10-27-06, 12:49 PM Legendary Leader PRC from Heroes of Battle. 2nd and 4th level they get the ability to succeed on a single saving throw once per day (twice at 4th) without rolling a die.
Subedei
10-27-06, 12:57 PM If you're undead your taint is set to a certain level, you can't increase it as far as I know.

Check the description, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything about you starting with a certain amount of taint but rather clearly states it's fixed for undead and demons.

Your best bet is going with Anima Mage to bind that one vestige which makes you immune to insanity and allows you to heal ability damage.
Tweedledope
10-27-06, 01:12 PM This isn't an auto-suceed but, the Diamond Mind school from ToB has the three manuevers that allow a Concentration check instead of Will, Ref, and Fort saves. Couple that with Steady Concentration (which allows you to take 10 on concentration checks) and, you have "easied" the system a bit. Always a very nice thing.

-=TD=-
Lo77o
10-27-06, 02:10 PM "An evil monster has a taint score equal to one-half its Charisma score, with evil undead getting a +1 modifier and evil outsiders a +2 modifier."

Subedei this is mostly for npc's, and a way to find a base level of taint.

If a charecter is undead or has the evil subtype he just starts with that amount of taint. If he does anything that would normaly increase the taint it will, but he will not suffer the "downside" of -con and -wis.

And Prominence i havent had a look at that thread yet, but ill surely have a peek... seems like a good read :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lo77o 10-27-06, 07:00 AM	Im trying to make a tainted sorcerer, but im not interested in more then 1 level of the class. To take other classes i need to succeed a will safe dc10+taint, but ill be undead and my taint will be sky high. Is there any item, spell, class or anything that grants me the ability to succeed 1 save a day or a week or something?
JulesLetters 10-27-06, 12:35 PM	Surprisingly, there's no spell, even Wish, that will let you automatically succeed on a save. However, there's a psionic power from a Mind's Eye web enhancement (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20041029a): Change Fate Clairsentience Level: Psion/wilder 5, psychic warrior 5 Display: Mental, Visual Manifesting Time: 1 immediate action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: See text Saving Throw: None Power Resistance: No Power Points: 9, XP Change fate allows you to automatically get a roll of "20" on one saving throw or ability check (the next saving throw or ability check you make after manifesting the power). You can also choose to get a roll of 20 on a skill check (both provided the skill can be used untrained). You choose to manifest this power instead of rolling the d20. You can manifest this power instantly so that you can gain its benefits in a clutch situation. Manifesting the power is an immediate action, like manifesting a quickened power, and it counts toward the normal limit of one quickened power per round. You can use this power even when it's not your turn. Your effective roll of 20 guarantees success on a saving throw. Your effective roll of 20 may or may not give you success on an ability check. If you use the power to make a skill check, apply only the roll of 20, plus your relevant ability modifier -- ranks and other modifiers do not apply. XP Cost: 500 XP. However, this is from a metagame perspective. In-game, I doubt your character would have any idea the save is being made, nor when, nor might said character think to protect himself in a way such as this. The Will save being made represents a twist towards the Tainted.
Prominence 10-27-06, 12:38 PM	Pump the stats, pump the save, get the Pride domain.
Lo77o 10-27-06, 12:41 PM	Its hard to pump the save... when my taint will be in the hundreds.
JulesLetters 10-27-06, 12:43 PM	Pump the stats, pump the save, get the Pride domain. Pride only lets you reroll once, doesn't it? I seem to recall a few class abilities that eliminate fails on natural ones, though...
Prominence 10-27-06, 12:44 PM	Check out the omnifiscer then, I think it gets infinite saves? If I'm not mistaken, you're trying to do a version of http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=8519010 right?
ChristopherGroves 10-27-06, 12:49 PM	Legendary Leader PRC from Heroes of Battle. 2nd and 4th level they get the ability to succeed on a single saving throw once per day (twice at 4th) without rolling a die.
Subedei 10-27-06, 12:57 PM	If you're undead your taint is set to a certain level, you can't increase it as far as I know. Check the description, I'm pretty sure it doesn't say anything about you starting with a certain amount of taint but rather clearly states it's fixed for undead and demons. Your best bet is going with Anima Mage to bind that one vestige which makes you immune to insanity and allows you to heal ability damage.
Tweedledope 10-27-06, 01:12 PM	This isn't an auto-suceed but, the Diamond Mind school from ToB has the three manuevers that allow a Concentration check instead of Will, Ref, and Fort saves. Couple that with Steady Concentration (which allows you to take 10 on concentration checks) and, you have "easied" the system a bit. Always a very nice thing. -=TD=-
Lo77o 10-27-06, 02:10 PM	"An evil monster has a taint score equal to one-half its Charisma score, with evil undead getting a +1 modifier and evil outsiders a +2 modifier." Subedei this is mostly for npc's, and a way to find a base level of taint. If a charecter is undead or has the evil subtype he just starts with that amount of taint. If he does anything that would normaly increase the taint it will, but he will not suffer the "downside" of -con and -wis. And Prominence i havent had a look at that thread yet, but ill surely have a peek... seems like a good read :)