Auto-Kill EVERY time!? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Auto-Kill EVERY time!? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
TrackStar
07-28-05, 01:41 PM Have Bless Weapon and Hunters Mercy cast on you. This causes you to automatically hit for a critical.

Use a weapon with "Coupe de grace" (psionics handbook)

Declare your next attack and you auto kill your opponent.

I dont see why this wouldn't work...

Rinse and Repeat your way to godlieness.
Enki
07-28-05, 01:44 PM Wouldn't work.

Under the description of Bless weapon it states:
This last effect does not apply to any weapon that already has a magical effect related to critical hits, such as a keen weapon or a vorpal sword.
TrackStar
07-28-05, 01:58 PM Hmmm, anyone wanna argue this?? I think I could make it work if I were to lawyer it. :P
lostone
07-28-05, 02:45 PM If your DM allows it then he is obviously not reading the spell. It seems pretty clear cut to me. Hunters Mercy would be considered a magical affect related to critical hits.
Arismir
07-28-05, 02:46 PM I dont know what Coup de Grace states, but I'm interested.
ksbsnowowl
07-28-05, 04:26 PM Wouldn't work.

Under the description of Bless weapon it states:
This last effect does not apply to any weapon that already has a magical effect related to critical hits, such as a keen weapon or a vorpal sword.Except that Hunter's Mercy doesn't have any effect on your weapon or ammo, the target of the spell is "you", with a range of personal.

This combo has been around for a long time.....I posted it in my Archer Build Thread a year and a half ago.
Lilt
07-28-05, 04:31 PM The incompatibility isn't with hunter's mercy and bless weapon, it's with bless weapon and coup-de-grace.

I'm still not seeing how this is an auto-kill, there is a will save versus the CDG ability.
ksbsnowowl
07-28-05, 04:54 PM The incompatibility isn't with hunter's mercy and bless weapon, it's with bless weapon and coup-de-grace.Ah, my mistake; I'm just used to people attacking the BW/HM combo bec they think HM affects the weapon...
Kingrames
07-28-05, 07:42 PM why would you do that when you can just do:

sneak attack
plus
hold person.

that's a coup de grace, and the save's going to be pretty darn high.
TrackStar
07-28-05, 08:33 PM ^What do you mean with the sneak attack plus hold person?

Have hold person as an effect on your dagger for sneak attack? Why would the save be really high?

Im lost... :P
Kingrames
07-28-05, 09:02 PM ^What do you mean with the sneak attack plus hold person?

Have hold person as an effect on your dagger for sneak attack? Why would the save be really high?

Im lost... :P

cast hold person on someone.

they are paralyzed and helpless.

perform coup de grace.

the savig throw to avoid automatic death from that coup de grace will be higher than normal due to the sneak attack bonus damage.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TrackStar 07-28-05, 01:41 PM	Have Bless Weapon and Hunters Mercy cast on you. This causes you to automatically hit for a critical. Use a weapon with "Coupe de grace" (psionics handbook) Declare your next attack and you auto kill your opponent. I dont see why this wouldn't work... Rinse and Repeat your way to godlieness.
Enki 07-28-05, 01:44 PM	Wouldn't work. Under the description of Bless weapon it states: This last effect does not apply to any weapon that already has a magical effect related to critical hits, such as a keen weapon or a vorpal sword.
TrackStar 07-28-05, 01:58 PM	Hmmm, anyone wanna argue this?? I think I could make it work if I were to lawyer it. :P
lostone 07-28-05, 02:45 PM	If your DM allows it then he is obviously not reading the spell. It seems pretty clear cut to me. Hunters Mercy would be considered a magical affect related to critical hits.
Arismir 07-28-05, 02:46 PM	I dont know what Coup de Grace states, but I'm interested.
ksbsnowowl 07-28-05, 04:26 PM	Wouldn't work. Under the description of Bless weapon it states: This last effect does not apply to any weapon that already has a magical effect related to critical hits, such as a keen weapon or a vorpal sword.Except that Hunter's Mercy doesn't have any effect on your weapon or ammo, the target of the spell is "you", with a range of personal. This combo has been around for a long time.....I posted it in my Archer Build Thread a year and a half ago.
Lilt 07-28-05, 04:31 PM	The incompatibility isn't with hunter's mercy and bless weapon, it's with bless weapon and coup-de-grace. I'm still not seeing how this is an auto-kill, there is a will save versus the CDG ability.
ksbsnowowl 07-28-05, 04:54 PM	The incompatibility isn't with hunter's mercy and bless weapon, it's with bless weapon and coup-de-grace.Ah, my mistake; I'm just used to people attacking the BW/HM combo bec they think HM affects the weapon...
Kingrames 07-28-05, 07:42 PM	why would you do that when you can just do: sneak attack plus hold person. that's a coup de grace, and the save's going to be pretty darn high.
TrackStar 07-28-05, 08:33 PM	^What do you mean with the sneak attack plus hold person? Have hold person as an effect on your dagger for sneak attack? Why would the save be really high? Im lost... :P
Kingrames 07-28-05, 09:02 PM	^What do you mean with the sneak attack plus hold person? Have hold person as an effect on your dagger for sneak attack? Why would the save be really high? Im lost... :P cast hold person on someone. they are paralyzed and helpless. perform coup de grace. the savig throw to avoid automatic death from that coup de grace will be higher than normal due to the sneak attack bonus damage.