Avenge Meepo! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Avenge Meepo! [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tweedledope
08-03-05, 01:46 PM Okay...those bastards killed of Meepo (which is impossible I'm sure) leaving a battle between a Tarasque and a Lich...honestly, is there any actual competition here?

Aside from that, I feel that we need to avenge Meepo's defeat and create the Ultimate Kobold of d00m. Max damage, max attacks, max death to all. Now, I really don't know how to take advantage of this situation but, I know that the rest of the COers here probably do better than I do.

Now, I'm sure that Pre-epic a single Kobold would have a hell of a time taking on the Tarrasque but, surely we can get one close enough to do it so.

I CHALLENGE ALL COers TO AVENGE MEEPO'S DEFEAT!

-=Tweedledope=-
neilthrun
08-03-05, 03:38 PM A kobold has no bigger disadvantage than a human at taking out Big T. Kobold Sorceror with lots of acid spells. Fly Up high and go to town.

On the other hand kobolds have nice optimization potential. Small Size, +2 dex, natural armor and some good magical items and youll have an impressive AC, not dwarven defender impressive but still good. Theres also some nice prestige classes and feats for kobolds. Dragon Disciple stands out, kobolds have alot to gain in terms of ability boosts, and theyve got sorceror as a favored class.
Id go Sorceror4/Fighter1/Spellsword1/Dragon Slayer1/DragonDisciple10/HalfDragon Paragon3/
You lose quite a bit of BAB for a gish, but you should be alright I think. Important feats: Power Attack, Dodge, Mobility, Elusive Target, Monkey Grip
Important Spells:Bull Strength,True Strike, Ray of exhaustion, Color Spray.

Hardly optimized but it would be fairly fun to play.
Interested2
08-03-05, 05:35 PM Good riddance Meepo.

For that matter, I'd lean toward a Kobold Cheater of Mystra :P
Tweedledope
08-03-05, 11:38 PM Good riddance Meepo.

For that matter, I'd lean toward a Kobold Cheater of Mystra :P
I hope you can't sleep tonight...

Anyways, what are other great "Kobold" builds? Come on, feel for the little guy!

-=Tweedledope=-
Rundor The Mighty
08-04-05, 12:07 AM Kobold necromancer?

Now THAT would be a sight to see, I think I have a new completely wack idea for a BBEG (or maybe SBEG small bad evil guy).
Gravmyr
08-04-05, 12:31 AM OK going to set any limits or stats or anything to get this underway?
jameswilliamogle
08-04-05, 12:47 AM heh, kobold sorcerer with enlarge person: he has a "little person" complex. buys lots of oils b/c he has scaly skin. uses fire spells b/c of inferiority complex because of his dragon cousins. constantly "nesting". occasionally his chest turns colors during mating season. scratches pealing sking off on spiked armor of party members. is grossed out by cooked food.
Tweedledope
08-04-05, 01:02 AM OK going to set any limits or stats or anything to get this underway?
Well...limits are as follows:

20 Level Build
32 Point Buy System
Standard Equipment
Any WotC Material Goes
No piecemeal builds (Ranger 2, Fighter 1, Monk 3, PrC 4, PrC 3, Sorcerer 2...keep it simple folks)

Now...ready...set...GO!
Wizard Random
08-04-05, 04:20 AM Try a Pargon Creature template from the Epic level handbook, that would make him a CR 15 right off the bat, then give him Half-Dragon and 2 levels of Fighter. Make heavy use of Grafts, to offest natural weaknesses. And buy a magic item that makes him immune to fear. Youll end up with a 3 HD creature with a Naked ac of around 40-47, walking around with like +30 to hit. he has DR/Epic which means he can bypass Mr T.'s Dr, and has fast healing assuming he even gets hit. Walk around with a vest of false Life for extra hp and take stuff like Imporved natrual attack(claw) . Get all the Spells from the Players Handbook Permed on you, so you gain some fun stuff like Enlarge person ( before half-dragon). Then go kill Mr. T.. Mr. T. cant hit the kobold ( he only has +35 to hit) and can only crit on him, of course Heavy Fort Armor works wonders here. Only problem Meepo would have is doing enough dmg to overide the tarr's regeration. with the +20 luck dmg from the paragon template this will help uber, and with a Str score of around 40 meepo SHOULDN't have to much trouble. Also even if the Tarr, manages to hit him with max hp and a extra +12 from the template and a Con score of around 40 he should be alright (dont forget false life vest)

What do you guys think?
Wizard Random
08-04-05, 04:25 AM That is of course without magic items, excluding the fort armor,false life vest, and random immune to fear item. Other than that, deck him out how you want. with a 32 buy ALL his stats would be 30+ maybe even bypassing 40, and after all that he is still a CR 20, same as Mr. T.

The sithlar grafts works wonder to eek out some extra ablity points, and the Healing blood Stacks with the Fast healing 20 from the template, for a total of 22 points per round (almost as good at the Tarr,himself)

So basicaly you have a Mini-Kobold Of DOOM, that eats Tarr's for breafast and then poops out the regening parts, and then eats him agian. BECAUSE HE CAN.

Give him epic items ( Bracers of reletness Might comes to mind) and that makes him even better. It would actually be in Meepo's best intrest to be swallowed as he cannot die from the stomach acids and such. and of course with his claws he can climb out.
Wizard Random
08-04-05, 04:27 AM The only problem that i can see is that Meepo would have only 2 HD from the fighter class. Blaspehmy works wonders here, but the Tarr can't cast that now can he ;)
slade_caizer
08-04-05, 04:45 AM I don't actually think this'll avenge anything, but I'd just like to see it.

Halfling Dirgesinger (+SublimeChord?)

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Tweedledope 08-03-05, 01:46 PM	Okay...those bastards killed of Meepo (which is impossible I'm sure) leaving a battle between a Tarasque and a Lich...honestly, is there any actual competition here? Aside from that, I feel that we need to avenge Meepo's defeat and create the Ultimate Kobold of d00m. Max damage, max attacks, max death to all. Now, I really don't know how to take advantage of this situation but, I know that the rest of the COers here probably do better than I do. Now, I'm sure that Pre-epic a single Kobold would have a hell of a time taking on the Tarrasque but, surely we can get one close enough to do it so. I CHALLENGE ALL COers TO AVENGE MEEPO'S DEFEAT! -=Tweedledope=-
neilthrun 08-03-05, 03:38 PM	A kobold has no bigger disadvantage than a human at taking out Big T. Kobold Sorceror with lots of acid spells. Fly Up high and go to town. On the other hand kobolds have nice optimization potential. Small Size, +2 dex, natural armor and some good magical items and youll have an impressive AC, not dwarven defender impressive but still good. Theres also some nice prestige classes and feats for kobolds. Dragon Disciple stands out, kobolds have alot to gain in terms of ability boosts, and theyve got sorceror as a favored class. Id go Sorceror4/Fighter1/Spellsword1/Dragon Slayer1/DragonDisciple10/HalfDragon Paragon3/ You lose quite a bit of BAB for a gish, but you should be alright I think. Important feats: Power Attack, Dodge, Mobility, Elusive Target, Monkey Grip Important Spells:Bull Strength,True Strike, Ray of exhaustion, Color Spray. Hardly optimized but it would be fairly fun to play.
Interested2 08-03-05, 05:35 PM	Good riddance Meepo. For that matter, I'd lean toward a Kobold Cheater of Mystra :P
Tweedledope 08-03-05, 11:38 PM	Good riddance Meepo. For that matter, I'd lean toward a Kobold Cheater of Mystra :P I hope you can't sleep tonight... Anyways, what are other great "Kobold" builds? Come on, feel for the little guy! -=Tweedledope=-
Rundor The Mighty 08-04-05, 12:07 AM	Kobold necromancer? Now THAT would be a sight to see, I think I have a new completely wack idea for a BBEG (or maybe SBEG small bad evil guy).
Gravmyr 08-04-05, 12:31 AM	OK going to set any limits or stats or anything to get this underway?
jameswilliamogle 08-04-05, 12:47 AM	heh, kobold sorcerer with enlarge person: he has a "little person" complex. buys lots of oils b/c he has scaly skin. uses fire spells b/c of inferiority complex because of his dragon cousins. constantly "nesting". occasionally his chest turns colors during mating season. scratches pealing sking off on spiked armor of party members. is grossed out by cooked food.
Tweedledope 08-04-05, 01:02 AM	OK going to set any limits or stats or anything to get this underway? Well...limits are as follows: 20 Level Build 32 Point Buy System Standard Equipment Any WotC Material Goes No piecemeal builds (Ranger 2, Fighter 1, Monk 3, PrC 4, PrC 3, Sorcerer 2...keep it simple folks) Now...ready...set...GO!
Wizard Random 08-04-05, 04:20 AM	Try a Pargon Creature template from the Epic level handbook, that would make him a CR 15 right off the bat, then give him Half-Dragon and 2 levels of Fighter. Make heavy use of Grafts, to offest natural weaknesses. And buy a magic item that makes him immune to fear. Youll end up with a 3 HD creature with a Naked ac of around 40-47, walking around with like +30 to hit. he has DR/Epic which means he can bypass Mr T.'s Dr, and has fast healing assuming he even gets hit. Walk around with a vest of false Life for extra hp and take stuff like Imporved natrual attack(claw) . Get all the Spells from the Players Handbook Permed on you, so you gain some fun stuff like Enlarge person ( before half-dragon). Then go kill Mr. T.. Mr. T. cant hit the kobold ( he only has +35 to hit) and can only crit on him, of course Heavy Fort Armor works wonders here. Only problem Meepo would have is doing enough dmg to overide the tarr's regeration. with the +20 luck dmg from the paragon template this will help uber, and with a Str score of around 40 meepo SHOULDN't have to much trouble. Also even if the Tarr, manages to hit him with max hp and a extra +12 from the template and a Con score of around 40 he should be alright (dont forget false life vest) What do you guys think?
Wizard Random 08-04-05, 04:25 AM	That is of course without magic items, excluding the fort armor,false life vest, and random immune to fear item. Other than that, deck him out how you want. with a 32 buy ALL his stats would be 30+ maybe even bypassing 40, and after all that he is still a CR 20, same as Mr. T. The sithlar grafts works wonder to eek out some extra ablity points, and the Healing blood Stacks with the Fast healing 20 from the template, for a total of 22 points per round (almost as good at the Tarr,himself) So basicaly you have a Mini-Kobold Of DOOM, that eats Tarr's for breafast and then poops out the regening parts, and then eats him agian. BECAUSE HE CAN. Give him epic items ( Bracers of reletness Might comes to mind) and that makes him even better. It would actually be in Meepo's best intrest to be swallowed as he cannot die from the stomach acids and such. and of course with his claws he can climb out.
Wizard Random 08-04-05, 04:27 AM	The only problem that i can see is that Meepo would have only 2 HD from the fighter class. Blaspehmy works wonders here, but the Tarr can't cast that now can he ;)
slade_caizer 08-04-05, 04:45 AM	I don't actually think this'll avenge anything, but I'd just like to see it. Halfling Dirgesinger (+SublimeChord?)