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Weiser_Cain 01-28-05, 02:05 AM	Well I've decided to try to make an awakened animal character. Several issues, How can I extend my life besides becoming a lich(and could I even live that long)? Is there a way to get hands if say I'm a wolf? What magic items could I use with and without hands? I'm aiming for a wolf but do you have a better choice for a base creature? And of course what other classes should I consider?
preacher of nothing 01-28-05, 02:18 AM	For druids that used wildshape there was a feat in the 3.0 book Masters of the Wild called Natural Shape that let you cats spells while in wild shape forms. For Wizards, the only way i can think of would be taking "Still Spell", "Eschew Materials" and "Silent Spell". oh, and also, there was a template in Dragon 313 called "Elder Serpent" that could be applied to any snake-like Animal or Magical beast of Int. 5 or lower. You'd get +2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Con, +2d6+6 Int, +2d4+4 Wis, +2d4+4 Cha. AND a bunch of great goodies... Just a thought ;)
Sentient 01-28-05, 03:26 AM	You've been beaten. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=315795&page=1&pp=50 And the feat you're looking for is surrogate spellcasting. Savage Species. I would make a spellcasting dinosaur, personally. http://www.mariomonsters.com/magikoopa/thevo04.jpg
preacher of nothing 01-28-05, 03:53 AM	Yeah, i remember that thread, but in all truth, it wasn't done all that well IMO. Could've been much better. Not to mention the coolest idea ever....the AWAKENED GOLDFISH PSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weiser_Cain 01-28-05, 03:36 PM	Why not just be an aboleth then? Didn't know this was a competition. Plus I'm serious. I'm still really worried about the age thing, can a become a lich in less than twenty years? Or is there another way to extend my 'life'?
preacher of nothing 01-28-05, 03:44 PM	Well, i haven't really been interested in long age since 2ed when there used to be some potions....hmmmm.....in 3.x, your safest bet would most likely be a transformational PrC such as Acolyte of the Skin, Elemental Savant, etc., Or simply playing an Elan which are virtually ageless. If you - don't - want to have such a PrC or you don't want to play an elan, there was an epic feat that extended your lifespan, but once you hit epic all hell breaks loose....that's a can of worms i'm not willing to open :P ~preacher~
HoshiAdam 01-28-05, 04:59 PM	There is a pseudo race in Libris Mortis called Necropolitan. It's kind of like a lich, but you lose a level when becoming one and don't get many bonuses. Hit dice change to d12's and you get the undead type. It is also a lot cheaper than becoming a lich. Natural Spell is also in the 3.5 PHB I believe. As far as items go, you could conceivably use bracers, a cloak, a necklace/collar. Maybe a ring on your tail. It depends on if your items will size to you or not.
Quoriil 01-28-05, 05:10 PM	I've always wondered, whats the CR adjustment/LA for awakening? I could understand the resoning behind +1 or +0 I don't think I've ever seen it discussed... I'm a lazy sack of rat drippings though and haven't looked really hard, any of you have any thread links or anything?
Weiser_Cain 01-28-05, 07:00 PM	There shouldn't be a level adjustment since you can't use a lot of equipment.
catowar 01-28-05, 10:36 PM	2 words awakend cat with psionic hold on.... thats 4...... (thinks of a flying cat with mind powers) ohhhhhhhh ya
SlashDash 01-29-05, 03:06 AM	I've always wondered, whats the CR adjustment/LA for awakening? I could understand the resoning behind +1 or +0 I don't think I've ever seen it discussed... I'm a lazy sack of rat drippings though and haven't looked really hard, any of you have any thread links or anything? Actually, there is no level adjustment but you get +2hd from becoming awakened animal, thus you "lose" two levels...
Weiser_Cain 01-29-05, 03:57 AM	Wolves apparently have two hit dice so wouldn't the awakened character be 4 ecl(or do I still have no clue)? Also maybe its just late but I remember a PRC from somewhere that gives you animal and I think plant features, I remember it scaled up(first claws then wings etc)? what class was this and what book did I see it in?
Weiser_Cain 01-29-05, 05:21 AM	Sorry little question here, the awaken spell reads 'An awakened animal gets 3d6 inteligence.' is that in addition to the base creatures inteligence?
Grim Sage 01-29-05, 05:28 AM	no, it gets replaced. Thoughif you want to make a wizard, like the previous thread, you could make a case that if someone went through the trouble of awakening animals to give them an education, he'd pick the most intelligent one ;)
SlashDash 01-29-05, 07:45 AM	Wolves apparently have two hit dice so wouldn't the awakened character be 4 ecl(or do I still have no clue)? Yes, you are correct. The Wolf would have an ECL of 4. Also maybe its just late but I remember a PRC from somewhere that gives you animal and I think plant features, I remember it scaled up(first claws then wings etc)? what class was this and what book did I see it in? I think you might be refering to the Geomancer. It's from Masters of the Wild and the 3.5 version is in Complete Divine. However, it requires you to be a multiclass spellcaster.
TerrickTerran 01-29-05, 09:19 AM	I created an awakened Cat Psion. That was a lot of fun.