bag of rats fighter? [Archive] - Wizards Community

bag of rats fighter? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dog45
09-22-05, 02:30 PM Talking about CO the other day with my group, and someone brought up Sword and Fist. I seem to recall a cheesy build using the cleave tree and a bag of rats, but dont remember any specifics. I know this is reaching back, but does anyone remember this?
Oogar
09-22-05, 02:39 PM Bag of rats, Great cleave, Whirlwind attack.

Open Bag
Whirlwind attack.
Everytime you kill a rat, cleave onto the big bad guy target.

No longer works in 3.5 due to Whirlwind Attack change.
Tempest Stormwind
09-22-05, 05:39 PM However, thanks to Greater Consumptive Field (LM), we now have the Bag-O-Rats CLERIC...
Caelic
09-22-05, 06:07 PM Persistent Consumptive Field, Tempest, not Greater Consumptive Field. :)
NateNate
09-22-05, 06:42 PM The 3.5 Bag-of-Rats Fighter:
Quick-Draw, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave

Quick-Draw a rat, drop it into your square as a free action. Its natural instinct is to run, so when it does you AoO it. You'll hit and kill it, then Cleave into the badguy. Repeat until you've used all your AoOs for the round, and you'll still get to full-attack. Not the one-attack-for-every-rat Whirlwind Attack trick, but you'll still get your (Dex mod +1) additional attacks each round.

You could try using the War Hulk or War Mind, for Sweeping Strike with Whirlwind Attack. I think it still works with 3.5, since its one attack affecting two creatures rather than an additional attack for Cleaving. Just dump your bag of rats on the ground and make an attack for every rat.
dog45
09-22-05, 10:35 PM Ah, thats right. 3.0 was so much fun. Did anyone ever play a Candle Caster? (PrC from Tome and Blood)
ZerodotJander
09-23-05, 01:36 AM Quick-Draw a rat, drop it into your square as a free action. Its natural instinct is to run, so when it does you AoO it. You'll hit and kill it, then Cleave into the badguy. Repeat until you've used all your AoOs for the round, and you'll still get to full-attack. Not the one-attack-for-every-rat Whirlwind Attack trick, but you'll still get your (Dex mod +1) additional attacks each round.I can't think of any DMs crazy enough to let you Quick-Draw a rat. Also, it can't run during the middle of your turn unless it has a readied action, which means you don't get to cleave it until later.
You could try using the War Hulk or War Mind, for Sweeping Strike with Whirlwind Attack. I think it still works with 3.5, since its one attack affecting two creatures rather than an additional attack for Cleaving. Just dump your bag of rats on the ground and make an attack for every rat.I don't know about the War Mind ability, but the War Hulk one specifically says that you can only get one cleave attempt with it.
Tempest Stormwind
09-23-05, 02:45 AM I don't know about the War Mind ability, but the War Hulk one specifically says that you can only get one cleave attempt with it.
You DO realize that War Mind is in the available for free in the SRD? (http://srd.pbemnexus.com/psionicWarMind.html)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
dog45 09-22-05, 02:30 PM	Talking about CO the other day with my group, and someone brought up Sword and Fist. I seem to recall a cheesy build using the cleave tree and a bag of rats, but dont remember any specifics. I know this is reaching back, but does anyone remember this?
Oogar 09-22-05, 02:39 PM	Bag of rats, Great cleave, Whirlwind attack. Open Bag Whirlwind attack. Everytime you kill a rat, cleave onto the big bad guy target. No longer works in 3.5 due to Whirlwind Attack change.
Tempest Stormwind 09-22-05, 05:39 PM	However, thanks to Greater Consumptive Field (LM), we now have the Bag-O-Rats CLERIC...
Caelic 09-22-05, 06:07 PM	Persistent Consumptive Field, Tempest, not Greater Consumptive Field. :)
NateNate 09-22-05, 06:42 PM	The 3.5 Bag-of-Rats Fighter: Quick-Draw, Combat Reflexes, Great Cleave Quick-Draw a rat, drop it into your square as a free action. Its natural instinct is to run, so when it does you AoO it. You'll hit and kill it, then Cleave into the badguy. Repeat until you've used all your AoOs for the round, and you'll still get to full-attack. Not the one-attack-for-every-rat Whirlwind Attack trick, but you'll still get your (Dex mod +1) additional attacks each round. You could try using the War Hulk or War Mind, for Sweeping Strike with Whirlwind Attack. I think it still works with 3.5, since its one attack affecting two creatures rather than an additional attack for Cleaving. Just dump your bag of rats on the ground and make an attack for every rat.
dog45 09-22-05, 10:35 PM	Ah, thats right. 3.0 was so much fun. Did anyone ever play a Candle Caster? (PrC from Tome and Blood)
ZerodotJander 09-23-05, 01:36 AM	Quick-Draw a rat, drop it into your square as a free action. Its natural instinct is to run, so when it does you AoO it. You'll hit and kill it, then Cleave into the badguy. Repeat until you've used all your AoOs for the round, and you'll still get to full-attack. Not the one-attack-for-every-rat Whirlwind Attack trick, but you'll still get your (Dex mod +1) additional attacks each round.I can't think of any DMs crazy enough to let you Quick-Draw a rat. Also, it can't run during the middle of your turn unless it has a readied action, which means you don't get to cleave it until later. You could try using the War Hulk or War Mind, for Sweeping Strike with Whirlwind Attack. I think it still works with 3.5, since its one attack affecting two creatures rather than an additional attack for Cleaving. Just dump your bag of rats on the ground and make an attack for every rat.I don't know about the War Mind ability, but the War Hulk one specifically says that you can only get one cleave attempt with it.
Tempest Stormwind 09-23-05, 02:45 AM	I don't know about the War Mind ability, but the War Hulk one specifically says that you can only get one cleave attempt with it. You DO realize that War Mind is in the available for free in the SRD? (http://srd.pbemnexus.com/psionicWarMind.html)