Balancing the levels of a Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple [Archive] - Wizards Community

Balancing the levels of a Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Noble Punk
09-10-05, 04:13 PM I really want to make a Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple and get the Disciple to level 10, but I'm worried about my spells being to weak.

Can Sorcerer 10/Dragon Disciple 10 at level 20 still be effective?

If not what, levels of each do you recommend?
UMiskatonic
09-10-05, 04:51 PM Um, no. You will not be as effective as a 20th level caster should be, nor will you be as powerful as a 20th level melee tank. You will be bad at both, and get crushed.

If you want a draconic feel, consider the draconic feats from Complete Arcane. Or play a kobold sorceror. Or both. Have a pseudo-dragon familiar, or learn the draconic polymorph spell.

Even the half-dragon template is a better choice. It allows most of the benefits of being a dragon, and only costs three levels, not 10.

If you are committed to dragon disciple, then you'll be far happier with something like paladin 5/sorceror 1/dragon disciple 10/cavalier 6, or something along those lines. Talk to your DM about getting a dragon to ride around on.
X-Codes
09-10-05, 05:21 PM Despite the deceptive pre-reqs, Dragon Disciple is a very melee-oriented class. The best ways to enter into it are Hexblade, Fighter/Bard, and Paladin/Sorc/EK.
Nifft
09-10-05, 07:59 PM Yah, or just Pal4/Sor1/DD10 -> some other melee PrC 5

The optimal number of Sorcerer levels is 1. :)

-- N
MechaboyDos
09-10-05, 09:43 PM I dunno, I was tinkering with the idea of a Barbarian 1/Sorcerer 7/Rage Mage 2/Dragon Disciple 10. Throw in Extra Rage, Arcane Strike, and a couple of Extra Spell and you ought to have something halfway decent.
K
09-10-05, 09:45 PM Yah, or just Pal4/Sor1/DD10 -> some other melee PrC 5

The optimal number of Sorcerer levels is 1. :)

-- N

Actually, the optimal Sorcerer levels for Dragon Disciple is 4. By doing this, your DD levels get you more uses of Wraithstrike for massive-damage Power Attacking.
Nifft
09-10-05, 10:43 PM Actually, the optimal Sorcerer levels for Dragon Disciple is 4. By doing this, your DD levels get you more uses of Wraithstrike for massive-damage Power Attacking.

Okay, but in Core rules, it's 1 -- and your two spells are feather fall and true strike. :) Yay heavy armor!

(And the DD bonus spells go to extra 1st level Paladin spell slots, for extra Bless Weapon goodness. Yay auto confirmed crits!)

-- N
runestar
09-10-05, 11:17 PM Or try barb4/sorc2/GSA4/DD10 if you are really so eager to get wraithstrike.
Tetsubo
09-11-05, 01:29 AM I agree that only taking one or two levels of Sorcerer is the way to go. So would it make sense to make them Battle Sorcerer levels from the UA?

I think a Barb4/Sorc1/DD10/Half-Dragon Paragon3/??2 would be an good build. I just can't decide what the last two levels should be... Barbarian again maybe?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Noble Punk 09-10-05, 04:13 PM	I really want to make a Sorcerer/Dragon Disciple and get the Disciple to level 10, but I'm worried about my spells being to weak. Can Sorcerer 10/Dragon Disciple 10 at level 20 still be effective? If not what, levels of each do you recommend?
UMiskatonic 09-10-05, 04:51 PM	Um, no. You will not be as effective as a 20th level caster should be, nor will you be as powerful as a 20th level melee tank. You will be bad at both, and get crushed. If you want a draconic feel, consider the draconic feats from Complete Arcane. Or play a kobold sorceror. Or both. Have a pseudo-dragon familiar, or learn the draconic polymorph spell. Even the half-dragon template is a better choice. It allows most of the benefits of being a dragon, and only costs three levels, not 10. If you are committed to dragon disciple, then you'll be far happier with something like paladin 5/sorceror 1/dragon disciple 10/cavalier 6, or something along those lines. Talk to your DM about getting a dragon to ride around on.
X-Codes 09-10-05, 05:21 PM	Despite the deceptive pre-reqs, Dragon Disciple is a very melee-oriented class. The best ways to enter into it are Hexblade, Fighter/Bard, and Paladin/Sorc/EK.
Nifft 09-10-05, 07:59 PM	Yah, or just Pal4/Sor1/DD10 -> some other melee PrC 5 The optimal number of Sorcerer levels is 1. :) -- N
MechaboyDos 09-10-05, 09:43 PM	I dunno, I was tinkering with the idea of a Barbarian 1/Sorcerer 7/Rage Mage 2/Dragon Disciple 10. Throw in Extra Rage, Arcane Strike, and a couple of Extra Spell and you ought to have something halfway decent.
K 09-10-05, 09:45 PM	Yah, or just Pal4/Sor1/DD10 -> some other melee PrC 5 The optimal number of Sorcerer levels is 1. :) -- N Actually, the optimal Sorcerer levels for Dragon Disciple is 4. By doing this, your DD levels get you more uses of Wraithstrike for massive-damage Power Attacking.
Nifft 09-10-05, 10:43 PM	Actually, the optimal Sorcerer levels for Dragon Disciple is 4. By doing this, your DD levels get you more uses of Wraithstrike for massive-damage Power Attacking. Okay, but in Core rules, it's 1 -- and your two spells are feather fall and true strike. :) Yay heavy armor! (And the DD bonus spells go to extra 1st level Paladin spell slots, for extra Bless Weapon goodness. Yay auto confirmed crits!) -- N
runestar 09-10-05, 11:17 PM	Or try barb4/sorc2/GSA4/DD10 if you are really so eager to get wraithstrike.
Tetsubo 09-11-05, 01:29 AM	I agree that only taking one or two levels of Sorcerer is the way to go. So would it make sense to make them Battle Sorcerer levels from the UA? I think a Barb4/Sorc1/DD10/Half-Dragon Paragon3/??2 would be an good build. I just can't decide what the last two levels should be... Barbarian again maybe?