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Core 12-29-04, 12:47 PM	I've been working on the following build, and had a few questions: Human, 28 point buy starting/ending stat str 16 dex 10 con 15/18 int 8 wis 12/14 cha 12 BAB Fort Ref Will Feats/Abilities 01. barbarian 1 +1 +2 +0 +0 Fast Movement, Illiteracty, Rage 1/day, Intimidating Rage, Destructive Rage 02. barbarian 2 +2 +3 +0 +0 Uncanny Dodge 03. barbarian 3 +3 +3 +1 +1 Trap Sense +1, Power Attack 04. barbarian 4 +4 +4 +1 +1 +1 con, Rage 2/day 05. barbarian 5 +5 +4 +1 +1 Improved Uncanny Dodge 06. barbarian 6 +6 +5 +2 +2 Trap Sense +2, Cleave 07. Frenzied 1 +7 +7 +2 +2 Frenzy 1/day, Diehard 08. Frenzied 2 +8 +8 +2 +2 +1 con, Supreme Cleave 09. Frenzied 3 +9 +8 +3 +3 Frenzy 2/day, Righteous Wrath 10. Frenzied 4 +10 +9 +3 +3 Deathless Frenzy 11. Frenzied 5 +11 +9 +3 +3 Frenzy 3/day, Improved Power Attack 12. Frenzied 6 +12 +10 +4 +4 +1 con, Inspire Frenzy 1/day, Knight of Stars 13. Gwynharwyf 1 +13 +12 +4 +4 Detect Evil, smite evil 1/day 14. Gwynharwyf 2 +14 +13 +4 +4 Divine Grace, Furious Casting, Rage 3/day 15. Gwynharwyf 3 +15 +13 +5 +5 Damage Reduction 2/-, Resist Enchantment, Iron Will 16. Gwynharwyf 4 +16 +14 +5 +5 +1 wis, Fearsome Fury 17. Gwynharwyf 5 +17 +14 +5 +5 Energy Resistance 5, smite Evil 2/day, Greater Rage 18. Gwynharwyf 6 +18 +15 +6 +6 Damage Reduction 3/-, Rage 4/day, Extra Rage 19. Gwynharwyf 7 +19 +15 +6 +6 Immune to Charm and Compulsion 20. Gwynharwyf 8 +20 +16 +6 +6 +1 wis, Damage Reduction 4/- if raging : +6 str and con, +3 to will saves, -2 to AC if frenzying : +6 to str, one extra attack at full BAB, -4 to AC, 2 hp non-lethal damage/round Full attack when raging and frenzied is +29/+29/+24/+19/+14 +12 bonus to leave frenzy at level 18+ (base 6, +2 from iron will, +3 from rage, +1 from divine grace) Skills of Note: requires intimidate +9 by level 12 Anyway, my questions are: Does Furious Casting work if the character is Frenzied? Similarly does Righteous Wrath have any benefit while Frenzied? If not are there any similar feats that do? Does Extra Rage in increase both Rage and Frenzy attempts, i.e. 2 extra rage and 2 extra frenzy, or just a total of 2 of either, or 1 of both? I've taken Iron Will at 15, and Extra Rage at 18 - are there any others that would provide better benefits? All the other feats are spoken for as class requirements If I go non human I'd have to switch FB and CoG around, which I don't really want to do. This would also compound the existing skill point problem. Are there any ways of getting better will saves without changing the character too much? edit: I presume the damage reduction doesn't help against the 2hp/round non-lethal damage taken while in frenzy? thanks for the help, Core
rilem 12-29-04, 01:34 PM	Shadowcrown has a killer FB/CoGwyn PC in a play-by-post game organized out of the C/O forum. He used Barbarian4/Fighter2/Cleric1/Frenzied Berserker3/Champion of Gwynharwyf2 as a 12th level PC, and the cleric level adds a lot. An extra +2 to will saves, Turning to power Divine Might and -- most crucial, so far -- the Luck domain, which allows him to reroll a failed save to exit frenzy.
allenchan 12-29-04, 03:28 PM	I'd really recommend Barbarian 5 / Fighter 2/ Champion of Gwyn 3/ FB 10, its a much more solid build, imo. Theres no real reason not to go FB 10 once you get into it. As for Righteous Wraith, Im of the camp that belives it will work; assuming you are raging AND frenzying. You're in a frenzy, yes, but you are also still in a rage, so the feat would apply. There isnt a feat that gives you extra frenzies a day, no.
Core 12-29-04, 04:50 PM	Rilem: thanks for that suggestion - especially the cleric level - I'll see what I can come up with along those lines. Allenchan: I wanted more levels of GoG more from a themic/RP point of view, rather than for particular power - that's also why I wanted CoG to come after FB rather than before, since that's the spiritual route the character would take. Only taking 3 levels of CoG seems like a waste to me, as it doens't really give you any of the flavour of the class, especially with such a low cha, though the DR 2/- looks nice - am I missing something obvious? The levels of FB I'm loosing are very nice ones, Greater Frenzy, Tireless Frenzy and Supreme Power Attack especially, but I like the benefits that CoG provides instead - the immunity to charm and compulsion and the spell levels particularly. I will definitely look at swapping out some barbarian levels for fighter levels, since both of you suggested it :) r.e. extra frenzies: Extra Rage does give you extra frenzy, but the wording is unclear, to me at least, as to whether it lets you "berserk" 2 more times, and using those "berserk"s to either rage or frenzy, of if it adds 2 to the totals you already have - so if you have both you gain 2 extra utilisations of each. thanks, Core
PhoenixInferno 12-29-04, 09:56 PM	I like Barb 6/CoG 7/FB 7 - almost all of the CoG goodies, and a 4th Frenzy. I think its a good compromise.