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PorreteSagrado 05-08-06, 01:58 PM	Im playing a Rogue 1 / Bard 4 and I wanna get Sublime Chord PrC from CA, so I must cast 3rd lvl spell to reach the requirements, after that, I can pick Daggerspell Mage to keep encreasing my Spell Caster levels as Sublime Chord. I wanna be a "warrior like" charter rather than spell caster, so I dont find Arcane Trickster as an option, because its HD is d4 and it gets Wizardīs BAB... What do you think? :D
ChrisAsmadi 05-08-06, 02:07 PM	You want to be warrior like? Bard 8/Paladin(or any variant of such) 2/Sublime Chord 2/Knight Phantom(or Eldritch Knight) 8 is a pretty damn good warrior. Lots of Cha synergy, too. As for skill monkey, caster and warrior... Rely on Wraithstrike and/or touch based spells?
Khazra Reborn 05-08-06, 02:42 PM	from where you are make this your overall build for dagger spellmage: rogue1/bard4/memorysmith5/SC2/daggerspell mage8 BaB 15 I want to be a "warrior like" character rather than spell caster If you really want that, dont go sublime chord. Your more looking at a couple of levels of fighter and then warchanter. If you can rebuild and lose rogue1, you could go: a) bard4/fighter2/memorysmith4/SC2/daggerspell mage8 or b) bard4/paladin2/memorysmith4/SC2/daggerspell mage8 Both grant 16BaB and are therfore much better then your previous builds for a combat character. They also have better fort saves then the first option i gave.A) gives bonus feats so is better for combat but B) will provide great saves and through cha synergy.
PorreteSagrado 05-08-06, 03:04 PM	Where can I find Memorysmith? and Knight Phantom? Could be a "rogue like" char too
Khazra Reborn 05-08-06, 05:09 PM	memory smith prc is from dragon311. It can be qualified with by bard5 or even bard1/anything X. You need 8 bard caster levels for SC, so that leaves bard4/X2/memorysmith4 as the entry of choice. If you dont want to worship moradin, then the battle howler of grummsh (dragon311 also) works just aswell, though you cant use paladin with it. Hexblade 2 is a decent substitute and it may even be worth dropping a level of Daggerspell mage for the 3rd level and the very powerful mettle ability. If you can use it, the rokugan ninja is far superior for a combat rogue caster as it has full BaB, allowing you to achieve a 16BaB.
Kuroi Kenshi 05-08-06, 05:27 PM	A few to consider. Rogue1/Bard4/Paladin2/Daggerspell Mage4/Sublime Chord1/Sacred Exorcist8 BAB 14, CL 16/20, 2d6 SA, Lv10 avg 6.8 HD, Lv20 avg 7.2 HD Rogue1/Bard4/Paladin2/Daggerspell Mage4/Sublime Chord2/Daggerspell Mage5-10/Spellsword1 BAB 14, CL 16/20, 4d6 SA, Lv10 avg 6.8 HD, Lv20 avg 6.5 HD
PorreteSagrado 05-08-06, 05:50 PM	Rogue1/Bard4/Paladin2/Daggerspell Mage4/Sublime Chord2/Daggerspell Mage5-10/Spellsword1 If I get Daggerspell Mage before Sublime Chord I will not get Sublime Chordīs progression... Look: "If he had more than one arcane spellcasting class before becoming a daggerspell mage, he must decide to which class to add each level for the purpose of determining spell per day and spells known." But bards cant be Paladin, bards cant be lawfull... nevermind, I dont see my char as a Paladin anyway.. :D
Thanatos42 05-08-06, 07:14 PM	Check out the variant paladins in unearthed arcana. Basicaly, they provide for a paladin of any alignment.
Kuroi Kenshi 05-08-06, 08:08 PM	If I get Daggerspell Mage before Sublime Chord I will not get Sublime Chordīs progression... Look: "If he had more than one arcane spellcasting class before becoming a daggerspell mage, he must decide to which class to add each level for the purpose of determining spell per day and spells known." The sentence prior conflicts with that. It supports a level by level basis - "Beginning at 2nd level, a daggerspell mage gains new spells per day at each level (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class to which he belonged before adding the prestige class level. Given they included the word "level" at the end of the sentence rather than simply leaving it out, and that the sentence following is a preventive measure against stacking multiple caster level increases per class level, I'd say its up to your DM's interpretation at worst. But bards cant be Paladin, bards cant be lawfull... nevermind, I dont see my char as a Paladin anyway.. :D You can start as unlawful then change alignment to lawful since you won't be adding anymore bard levels after going paladin. But as you say, personal taste. It's a good way to bolster your otherwise poor base fortitude save though. There is a nonlawful, non-code restricted substitute for paladin, the soldier of light PrC. However you need BAB 5 to qualify for it first, so it can be tricky to fit in with some bard/DSM/SC builds.
Zemyla 05-09-06, 08:11 AM	You need 8 bard caster levels for SC You only need 7. That gets you 3rd level spells.
Bohica 05-09-06, 11:25 AM	I find it absolutely amazing how you guys are able to throw combos together like this... :clap:
Khazra Reborn 05-09-06, 03:33 PM	Sorry,my mistake. bard4/rokugan-ninja3/memorysmith3/SC2/daggerspell mage8 I think thats the best DSM you can make with bard and sublime chord, as a combatatant....my previous builds didnt have the sneak attack required :embarrass
fullmetal80110 05-09-06, 03:39 PM	You could go rogue 3/bard 4/ memorysmith 3/ dagger spell mage 10The nastiest build there is requires you to fall as a paladin, you could go bard 4/paladin 10/shadowbane 1/5 blackguard. You get your charisma double to all saves and then you going the blackguard bonuses from falling, but you lose nothing because you were a shadow bane.
PorreteSagrado 05-11-06, 02:13 AM	There are any way to get more SA before get SC and DSM? Im saying before lvl 10 (rogue 3 / bard 7) I must have Knowledge Arcana 13... I want more SA... or more warrior ability....