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| Nurlithion05-30-05, 01:50 PM | Hi all. A friend of mine challenged me to a fight between a wizard lich lvl 11 ( ECL 15, used by me) against 3 ECL 11 characters (him, my brother and another friend), just for fun. I know that he is either a paladin2/sorcerer6 or warmage6/eldritch knight3 or a pure paladin, my brother a good cleric of Pelor, and my other friend is an stupid elven scimitar-wielding fighter (I still can't find out what he seeks to accomplish with a scimitar with that low damage that will be trumpted by the DR and the high critical to which I am immune). I'm not sure what prestigge classes they'll use, but my brother loves Radiant Servant of Pelor. I think I'm pretty safe, cuz my character is Lawful Neutral and therefore not subject to Smite Evil, has a lot of HP because of that d12 Hit Dice, so no Lay on Hands problem, and immune to sneak attack, so bye-bye rogue. Also, the rogue and my 10-year-old brother don't know the rules very well (my brother even forgets most of the time that he can turn undead), but the paladin seems like he has eaten the core books, for he knows almost every rule in there (the rules he doesn't know are probably still being digested :) ) Okay, so now into the books: I've got all core, complete arcane and divine, FRCS and PGtF, MoF, UA(though I can't use it), DaD(idem), LM, BoED, BoVD, Towers of High Sorcery, S&S, DotF, EPH, and have acess to OA and MMII through friends. Also, I won't be able to buy any books in the near future. I'm thinking of using a simple Wizard4/Red Robed Wizard of High Sorcery7. I also thought of Necromancer4/Black Robed Wizard of High Sorcery1/Rogue3/Arcane Trickster3, using Practiced Spellcaster to qualify for Lich, though that way I won't be immune to smite evil. We haven't talked about the phase of the moon (because of WoHS's moon magic class ability), but I will try to put it on Night of the Eye, so that I can get +3 caster levels Anyways, what I'm hoping to get is a build that can completely blast them into oblivion in little time. I won't be able to buff before battle, and I've got no feats for Lich, because I have just become it. What is your suggested build? Keep in mind, also that the battle is this friday, so we've got to get this ready ASAP. Thanks in advance, Nurlithion |
| malaegoth05-30-05, 02:33 PM | force cage them then just do whatever. |
| Thannin05-30-05, 03:27 PM | initiative of the seventhfold veil... Reactive warding screw litch, just I7V GG noncasters.. |
| catharz05-30-05, 04:52 PM | initiative of the seventhfold veil... Reactive warding screw litch, just I7V GG noncasters.. I think he is dealing with a set build and asking for tactics. - Anyway, Forcecage is good. So is having a Phylactery. Hide the Phylactery well (with anti-divination magic) and you're immune to destruction. The cleric will still be the biggest threat (I'm guessing). |
| Thannin05-30-05, 05:30 PM | I think he is dealing with a set build and asking for tactics. - Anyway, Forcecage is good. So is having a Phylactery. Hide the Phylactery well (with anti-divination magic) and you're immune to destruction. The cleric will still be the biggest threat (I'm guessing). I believe he is 11th level.. I don't see why my suggestion isn't more plausable than assuming him to have access to a scroll of forecage. If I were him, I would just take improved familiar-hippogriff. Then polymorph the hippogriff(sp?) into a 11 headed hydra. Fortify familiar, enhance familiar, chain GMW, augment familiar, and flames of purity. Toss in a greater invisibility/mirror image/improved blink for good effect.A properly pimped familiar can beat any EQual level PC fighter type.EASILY. I use mine in LG all the time.Most of the time I have an innocent looking eagle horse following my dwarven wizard around. |
| Arikas05-30-05, 07:16 PM | your best bet my friend, is will save-esque spells. the fighter and paladin will fall to this. the cleric will be your only problem since he is only really weak in the likes of reflex saves, so after you have his 2 buddies attacking him in a force cage (hey who wants them to run.. get them in a force cage first ;) ) then just start nuking like mad, and who cares if you hit the other 2 with fireballs? youll want to kill them eventually ;) |
| DBoot05-30-05, 08:08 PM | Get anything you can to raise your effective turning level. If built expressively for the purpose of destroying you, a Cleric/Radiant Servant will nuke you as a free action. Currently you have Effectively 15 HD. Since he has 11 levels to begin with, if he has good Cha, Empower Turning, and Heighten Turning, he can feasably destroy up to 22+HD undead. There is an item that raises your effective HD by 4 in Libris Mortis. Also, get bolstered by a cleric or Bard (Dirgesinger preferable, if you can get a cohort) and take Improved Turn Resistance if you believe your brother is smart enough to throw together a truly deadly Cleric. You should be looking at the following 11 HD 04 Lich 04 Improved Turn Resistance 04 Cloak of Turn Resistance (fairly cheap) ?? Dirgesinger Class Level + Bard Class Level/Cleric Bolstering = 23+ That should keep you safe. From there, yeah, forcecage tactics do great. Just stay out of the Cleric's reach and defend yourself and it shouldn't be to bad. Work on getting first initiative, you can afford to boost your Dex since any Con (even pathetic con) is dropped. |
| Nurlithion05-31-05, 11:29 AM | Get anything you can to raise your effective turning level. If built expressively for the purpose of destroying you, a Cleric/Radiant Servant will nuke you as a free action. Currently you have Effectively 15 HD. Since he has 11 levels to begin with, if he has good Cha, Empower Turning, and Heighten Turning, he can feasably destroy up to 22+HD undead. There is an item that raises your effective HD by 4 in Libris Mortis. Also, get bolstered by a cleric or Bard (Dirgesinger preferable, if you can get a cohort) and take Improved Turn Resistance if you believe your brother is smart enough to throw together a truly deadly Cleric. You should be looking at the following 11 HD 04 Lich 04 Improved Turn Resistance 04 Cloak of Turn Resistance (fairly cheap) ?? Dirgesinger Class Level + Bard Class Level/Cleric Bolstering = 23+ That should keep you safe. From there, yeah, forcecage tactics do great. Just stay out of the Cleric's reach and defend yourself and it shouldn't be to bad. Work on getting first initiative, you can afford to boost your Dex since any Con (even pathetic con) is dropped. Sorry, no leadership. As for the second bold, I really don't believe my brother could make a good character. I said my brother even forgets most of the time that he can turn undead :bounce: Actually, what I'm worried about is the paladin/eldritch knight guy. He knows the rules better than me, and I've got no time to study them because this week is full of tests in school (I can read pretty fast, but I don't have that good a memory that I can memorize them in 1 or 2 readings :( ). So I should get high DC for Forcecage? Then what build should I choose? I think I'll wear a ring of counterspells or 2 just in case my brother gets the chance of healing me. Also, I was thinking to get spellstitched. I've got 200kgp to spend(ECL15) and spellstitching would be affordabble. It would cost 48,5kgp to buy because: 19wisdom(that's easy:just use a Vanara, who also gets +2 intelligence, and get 15 starting wisdom, +2 vanara and +2 lich)x500(xp spent by npc caster)x5(you must spend 5x the xp npc caster spends in gp)+1000(tatooing materials). That way I could get Red Wizard of Thay and choose spell-like abilities that were from my prohibited schools(like teleport and choose conjuration, dispel magic and choose abjuration, etc). What do you guys think? Red Wizard or no Red Wizard? Or WoHS? Thanks in advance, Nurlithion |
| Nurlithion06-01-05, 11:42 AM | Sorry everyone, rules have just been altered. Now it's only core and EPH. I think now I'll be pure Wizard, because there are no good prestige classes to blast people into oblivion in only core(except perhaps Red Wizard of Thay, but I can't use leadership to get apprentices and make circle magic). So, I think I'll be a Gray Elf Lich Wizard 11. I don't know what feats to take though. I think improved familiar is good, because Pegasi have got 120ft fly speed. Other than that, what feats should I take? Nurlithion |
| Nurlithion06-03-05, 09:18 AM | A very stupid thing happened today: everyone forgot the dice, so we couldn't play. That means I've got the whole weekend to better my build. Also, I can use leadership, but only to get a cohort(no followers), and that cohort can't have leadership as well. So, my character is Wizard 11 and the cohort is Rogue 12 (both Gray Elf, the rogue focuses on archery, but also has the skill mastery ablity for UMD, because I want him to have 6 scrolls of Power Word Kill to kill the enemies and their cohorts. Taking 10, he can beat the DC for using a PWK scroll). I've got a scroll of forcecage, a wand of fireball, a staff of abjuration, and a Ioun Stone like the ones that absorb spell levels, only this one is different:it absorbs up to 6th-level spells, the maximum that the cleric can cast(just in case they manage to escape the Forcecage someway). I've got Improved Familiar(Pegasus), because his fly speed is 120ft, which puts me easily out of the reach of lay on hands and turn undead. The Lich immunities, DR, and etc take care of the rest. I've prepared a pair of Suggestion spells for the fighter and the paladin, because I want to have as many ways of defeating them as possible. Also, I've taken Improved Initiative and have 24 dexterity(using gloves), as was suggested. I have Bracers of Armor +6 and a mithril +2 buckler. Any other advice? Nurlithion |