Beguiler-Sublime Chord [Archive] - Wizards Community

Beguiler-Sublime Chord [Archive] - Wizards Community

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tarbrush
11-05-06, 02:32 PM So, I've just discovered the wonders of beguilers. I didn't realise how good they were. Then I thought about how much better they'd be when combined with sublime chord. So, my cunning plan was to take:

Beguiler 6
XXX 3
Warrior Skald/Bard1
Sublime Chord 2
YYY 8

Or possible Beguiler 4, Human Paragon 3, XXX 2, Warrior Skald 1 etc

So, what to do with the remaining levels? The build doesn't need caster levels at all for levels 7-9 because of SC, so I was thinking that that would be a good way to make a gish, or other doubly type build. Problem is, taking another casting type thing probably wouldn't be worth it as you'd only ever get 11 casting levels.

I'll likely take able learner to continue the skillmonkey thing, so if one of the 3 XXX levels had perform as a class, skill, that'd be super.

So, should he be a pure spellcaster/skillmonkey, if so, how? Or can I make a gish out of this?
Phoenix00
11-05-06, 02:56 PM If you have access to Complete Mage, I would try to get your DM to allow you to adapt UM to allow two spontaneous classes (A suggested variant under UM adaptation)

Beguiler 7(For advanced Learning)/X 2/Bard 1/Sublime Chord 1/Ultimate Magus 9

If X advanced your Beguiler Spellcasting you will have 15th level Beguiler Spells (8th level spells) and 9th Level Spells with Sublime Chord.
furious kender
11-06-06, 03:14 PM If you have access to Complete Mage, I would try to get your DM to allow you to adapt UM to allow two spontaneous classes (A suggested variant under UM adaptation)

Beguiler 7(For advanced Learning)/X 2/Bard 1/Sublime Chord 1/Ultimate Magus 9

If X advanced your Beguiler Spellcasting you will have 15th level Beguiler Spells (8th level spells) and 9th Level Spells with Sublime Chord.

FYI, this doesn't really work this way without a lot of planning. Why? Because Bard is your lowest spellcasting class, meaning you would be forced to advance bard spell progression.
ed209
11-06-06, 04:04 PM So, I've just discovered the wonders of beguilers. I didn't realise how good they were. Then I thought about how much better they'd be when combined with sublime chord. So, my cunning plan was to take:

Beguiler 6
XXX 3
Warrior Skald/Bard1
Sublime Chord 2
YYY 8

Or possible Beguiler 4, Human Paragon 3, XXX 2, Warrior Skald 1 etc

... I wouldn't recommend either idea, since it puts your caster level & spells known way behind a straight beguiler. If you're trying to increase you spell variety, check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook for some interesting ideas...
creepy drifter
11-06-06, 04:08 PM I don't see much synergy in this combo either. High level Beguiler spells are AWESOME. I'd want to get to them ASAP, instead of fiddling around with the Chord's alternate spellcasting direction (CHA based to boot - which invokes M.A.D. big time).

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tarbrush 11-05-06, 02:32 PM	So, I've just discovered the wonders of beguilers. I didn't realise how good they were. Then I thought about how much better they'd be when combined with sublime chord. So, my cunning plan was to take: Beguiler 6 XXX 3 Warrior Skald/Bard1 Sublime Chord 2 YYY 8 Or possible Beguiler 4, Human Paragon 3, XXX 2, Warrior Skald 1 etc So, what to do with the remaining levels? The build doesn't need caster levels at all for levels 7-9 because of SC, so I was thinking that that would be a good way to make a gish, or other doubly type build. Problem is, taking another casting type thing probably wouldn't be worth it as you'd only ever get 11 casting levels. I'll likely take able learner to continue the skillmonkey thing, so if one of the 3 XXX levels had perform as a class, skill, that'd be super. So, should he be a pure spellcaster/skillmonkey, if so, how? Or can I make a gish out of this?
Phoenix00 11-05-06, 02:56 PM	If you have access to Complete Mage, I would try to get your DM to allow you to adapt UM to allow two spontaneous classes (A suggested variant under UM adaptation) Beguiler 7(For advanced Learning)/X 2/Bard 1/Sublime Chord 1/Ultimate Magus 9 If X advanced your Beguiler Spellcasting you will have 15th level Beguiler Spells (8th level spells) and 9th Level Spells with Sublime Chord.
furious kender 11-06-06, 03:14 PM	If you have access to Complete Mage, I would try to get your DM to allow you to adapt UM to allow two spontaneous classes (A suggested variant under UM adaptation) Beguiler 7(For advanced Learning)/X 2/Bard 1/Sublime Chord 1/Ultimate Magus 9 If X advanced your Beguiler Spellcasting you will have 15th level Beguiler Spells (8th level spells) and 9th Level Spells with Sublime Chord. FYI, this doesn't really work this way without a lot of planning. Why? Because Bard is your lowest spellcasting class, meaning you would be forced to advance bard spell progression.
ed209 11-06-06, 04:04 PM	So, I've just discovered the wonders of beguilers. I didn't realise how good they were. Then I thought about how much better they'd be when combined with sublime chord. So, my cunning plan was to take: Beguiler 6 XXX 3 Warrior Skald/Bard1 Sublime Chord 2 YYY 8 Or possible Beguiler 4, Human Paragon 3, XXX 2, Warrior Skald 1 etc ... I wouldn't recommend either idea, since it puts your caster level & spells known way behind a straight beguiler. If you're trying to increase you spell variety, check out the Shadowcraft Mage Handbook for some interesting ideas...
creepy drifter 11-06-06, 04:08 PM	I don't see much synergy in this combo either. High level Beguiler spells are AWESOME. I'd want to get to them ASAP, instead of fiddling around with the Chord's alternate spellcasting direction (CHA based to boot - which invokes M.A.D. big time).