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JarradJL 12-09-03, 08:18 PM	I'm trying to figure out the best way possible to combine swordsmanship and spells, and I'm stuck between Bladesinger (the web version that isn't completely nerfed), Eldritch Knight, Spellsword (Complete Warrior version), and a couple other oddball ideas. Problem is, I have no idea which build is the best, and so I ask you fine people for some assistance. Details: 3.5 Standard Books + 3.0 Guidebooks + Complete Warrior 32-point staggered stat-buy Any help please? Should I go Bard, or mix Fighter and Wizard, or maybe Sorcerer instead, or what about Ranger then Wizard or Sorcerer? Lots of options, any help would be greatly appreciated.
LordArkan 12-09-03, 09:15 PM	This (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119839) should help you a bit.
Funny Slaughter 12-10-03, 03:22 AM	bladesinger is the best option on the long run, plenty of builds on the boards i think. just be aware of the fact that you have to invest all your feats into the requirements and will therefor suck for quite some time. spellsword is just too good to pass up for a single level, its another crappy redesign. if you are an EK you just need a few skillpoints to qualify, get a point of BAB, two good saves and 10% ASF-ignore. absolutely no reason to take another level. look around for EK-builds and compare them to the bladesinger, add a single spellsword-level and you are done. (just to list the options) gs Funny
Fiendish Dire Weasel 12-10-03, 07:59 AM	if you are an EK you just need a few skillpoints to qualify, get a point of BAB, two good saves and 10% ASF-ignore. While I agree 1 level of Spellsword is great I just think it stands to note that Spellsword needs heavy armor proficiency to qualify as well as martial weapons. So you could qualify for EK with 1 level of Barbarian, Ranger or Hexblade but couldn't qualify for Spellsword with just those classes.
RabidWeasel 12-10-03, 01:09 PM	Ftr 1/Wiz 5/EK 10/Spellsword 1 is fairly optimal if you just want a down-and-dirty melee caster. +14 BAB, 15th level casting, 2 bonus fighter feats, bonus wiz feat, can use mithril buckler and mithril chain shirt for armour, minimal pre-requisites. If you don't mind only having a few spells, and being a secondary caster, bladesinger is the best choice (also feat choice is limited).
MarkusH 12-10-03, 04:09 PM	Ftr 2/Wiz 4/Spellsword 1/EK 10 is another option, trading 1 level of caster level for +1 BAB and a figher feat. Rgr 1/Ftr 2/Wiz 2/Spellsword 5/EK 10 ends with +19 BAB and a caster level of 14. Not bad.
JosephKell 12-10-03, 04:16 PM	Originally posted by LordArkan This (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119839) should help you a bit. I think this is a great idea... but I might be biased http://www.geocities.com/aielmanspear/diablokingt.txt
Fiendish Dire Weasel 12-10-03, 04:29 PM	Rgr 1/Ftr 2/Wiz 2/Spellsword 5/EK 10 ends with +19 BAB and a caster level of 14. Not bad. How did you qualify for Spellsword? :confused:
MarkusH 12-10-03, 04:48 PM	D'oh! That's what I get for posting at work, and not having the book handy. Spellsword requires casting 2nd level spells, not first.
LordArkan 12-10-03, 05:00 PM	Originally posted by JosephKell I think this is a great idea... but I might be biased http://www.geocities.com/aielmanspear/diablokingt.txt :D I love that thread, just because I think Fighter/Mages are the coolest things ever. :cool:
JarradJL 12-11-03, 07:16 PM	Checked that huge post with all the builds, and it helped somewhat, but overall proved to be quite daunting. I've narrowed the idea down a little bit to make it more specific, so maybe this might help... Definitely taking three levels of Swashbuckler, since the entire idea centers around dancing around with a rapier and casting spells. That probably means I'll be taking either a level of ranger or fighter next, plus one of wizard in order to get the reqs for Bladesinger. High int and dex are a must, so do you think Grey-elf would be the best race, or would the hit to str be too hefty?