Best Direction For TWF Characters? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Best Direction For TWF Characters? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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FruitOfTheShroom
08-06-04, 03:33 PM For the most part, I've seen people say that2 short swords is the way to go. What is the benefit of that? It's the same as a Greatsword. No matter the strength, it will always deal the same damage (2d6 + 1.5 strength) with both weapons. After taking into account Criticals and Magically Enhanced weapons does TWF get better. But even then, it's not by much.

What is there to make Two Weapon Fighting more useful? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
nullex
08-06-04, 04:19 PM Originally posted by FruitOfTheShroom
What is there to make Two Weapon Fighting more useful? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The Dervish prestige class from Complete Warrior. :)

There was a thread a while ago that went through and calculated out damage and all that jazz and compared TWF to two-handed fighting. I think they determined (memory a little hazy) that two-handed fighting would be better for damage-dealing potential and financial efficiency, while TWF was better for flavor and role-playing.

Hope that helps!
Kyldan
08-06-04, 04:28 PM Wounding weapons. Twice as many hits = twice as much CON damage.
Dave1001
08-06-04, 04:31 PM the best use of TWF is for a fighter/rogue mix. The Sneak Attack really begins to shine, then. But you will not be a front-line fighter, so much as a sneak-and-kill commando.
saethar
08-07-04, 12:41 AM ANY type of extra damage is good - that includes burst weapons, holy, etc... I gotta second the dervish class - they make TWF worth while by giving you tons of extra attacks (thousand cuts double your # of attacks once per day) and gives you full attack movement (dervish dance), all good things. Course, unless you can talk your DM into bending the rules you are stuck with scimitar's - but they aren't horrible weapons *shrug* YMMV

Saethar
kinglawngnome
08-07-04, 12:44 AM a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range
nullex
08-07-04, 02:30 AM Originally posted by kinglawngnome
a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range
Indeed! Tired of silly strength damage that only counts as half with the off-hand weapon? Tired of picking necessary feats like Weapon Finesse instead of getting them as class feats? There's got to be a better way!

Enter the Swashbuckler. You have weapon finesse (therefore you put your main stat in DEX to qualify for the TWF tree as actual feats, instead of trying to go about it the silly ranger route), extra damage from INT that applies to ALL attacks (which is basically a boostable weapon specialization), AND grace (+1 to reflex saves...eh? eh?).

All of this for three easy payments of one level, ninety-five. That's right, three easy payments of one level, ninety-five.

Order now and get Tumble as a class skill!

Note: extra damage from INT only works on crittable creatures.
allenchan
08-07-04, 02:45 AM Originally posted by nullex
*snip*

:rofl: :heehee
Solymyr
08-07-04, 02:47 AM One thing thats often overlooked, but can be helpful, is that you rarely deal too much damage. For instance, if you are fighting something with X HP left over, and you kill it with a 2 hander you might be doing a lot of overkill damage. With TWF your damage is done in seperate hits so you get to spread it out.
saethar
08-07-04, 04:41 AM Originally posted by Solymyr
One thing thats often overlooked, but can be helpful, is that you rarely deal too much damage. For instance, if you are fighting something with X HP left over, and you kill it with a 2 hander you might be doing a lot of overkill damage. With TWF your damage is done in seperate hits so you get to spread it out.

The reason extra damage is emphasized with TWF is the increased chance of missing due to the penalty assigned. Thus to raise your average damage output to anything close to the THF you have to have a source of extra damage that you can count on.

Saethar
:b:
saethar
08-07-04, 04:44 AM Originally posted by kinglawngnome
a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range
This is a good thing. The extra crit helps you maximize damage output which is very important for a TWF.

Saethar
:b:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
FruitOfTheShroom 08-06-04, 03:33 PM	For the most part, I've seen people say that2 short swords is the way to go. What is the benefit of that? It's the same as a Greatsword. No matter the strength, it will always deal the same damage (2d6 + 1.5 strength) with both weapons. After taking into account Criticals and Magically Enhanced weapons does TWF get better. But even then, it's not by much. What is there to make Two Weapon Fighting more useful? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
nullex 08-06-04, 04:19 PM	Originally posted by FruitOfTheShroom What is there to make Two Weapon Fighting more useful? Any help would be greatly appreciated. The Dervish prestige class from Complete Warrior. :) There was a thread a while ago that went through and calculated out damage and all that jazz and compared TWF to two-handed fighting. I think they determined (memory a little hazy) that two-handed fighting would be better for damage-dealing potential and financial efficiency, while TWF was better for flavor and role-playing. Hope that helps!
Kyldan 08-06-04, 04:28 PM	Wounding weapons. Twice as many hits = twice as much CON damage.
Dave1001 08-06-04, 04:31 PM	the best use of TWF is for a fighter/rogue mix. The Sneak Attack really begins to shine, then. But you will not be a front-line fighter, so much as a sneak-and-kill commando.
saethar 08-07-04, 12:41 AM	ANY type of extra damage is good - that includes burst weapons, holy, etc... I gotta second the dervish class - they make TWF worth while by giving you tons of extra attacks (thousand cuts double your # of attacks once per day) and gives you full attack movement (dervish dance), all good things. Course, unless you can talk your DM into bending the rules you are stuck with scimitar's - but they aren't horrible weapons shrug YMMV Saethar
kinglawngnome 08-07-04, 12:44 AM	a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range
nullex 08-07-04, 02:30 AM	Originally posted by kinglawngnome a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range Indeed! Tired of silly strength damage that only counts as half with the off-hand weapon? Tired of picking necessary feats like Weapon Finesse instead of getting them as class feats? There's got to be a better way! Enter the Swashbuckler. You have weapon finesse (therefore you put your main stat in DEX to qualify for the TWF tree as actual feats, instead of trying to go about it the silly ranger route), extra damage from INT that applies to ALL attacks (which is basically a boostable weapon specialization), AND grace (+1 to reflex saves...eh? eh?). All of this for three easy payments of one level, ninety-five. That's right, three easy payments of one level, ninety-five. Order now and get Tumble as a class skill! Note: extra damage from INT only works on crittable creatures.
allenchan 08-07-04, 02:45 AM	Originally posted by nullex snip :rofl: :heehee
Solymyr 08-07-04, 02:47 AM	One thing thats often overlooked, but can be helpful, is that you rarely deal too much damage. For instance, if you are fighting something with X HP left over, and you kill it with a 2 hander you might be doing a lot of overkill damage. With TWF your damage is done in seperate hits so you get to spread it out.
saethar 08-07-04, 04:41 AM	Originally posted by Solymyr One thing thats often overlooked, but can be helpful, is that you rarely deal too much damage. For instance, if you are fighting something with X HP left over, and you kill it with a 2 hander you might be doing a lot of overkill damage. With TWF your damage is done in seperate hits so you get to spread it out. The reason extra damage is emphasized with TWF is the increased chance of missing due to the penalty assigned. Thus to raise your average damage output to anything close to the THF you have to have a source of extra damage that you can count on. Saethar :b:
saethar 08-07-04, 04:44 AM	Originally posted by kinglawngnome a dervish counts scimitars as light weapons...basically short swords with a better crit range This is a good thing. The extra crit helps you maximize damage output which is very important for a TWF. Saethar :b: