Best no-mount charging character... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Best no-mount charging character... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tealgorthian
12-09-04, 08:01 PM ... using only 2 base classes and 2 PrCs, at max. That's the killer. 15th level.

Here's what I got

1 Ftr 1 Power Attack, EWP (Bastard Sword), Improved Sunder
2 Barb 1
3 Ftr 2 Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), Mageslayer
4 Barb 2
5 Barb 3
6 Barb 4 Combat Brute
7 Ronin 1
8 Ronin 2
9 Ronin 3 Powerful Charge
10 EWM 1 (Uncanny Blow)
11 Ronin 4
12 Ronin 5 Greater Powerful Charge, Point Blank Shot
13 Ronin 6
14 Ronin 7
15 Ronin 8 Neraph Charge
allenchan
12-09-04, 09:23 PM Why Mageslayer, and for that matter, Point Blank?

An Orc with Furious Charge (PGtF) and Heedless Charge (RoF) would be a much more devestating charger.
Dont forget Reckless Charge (MHB) though im not sure this stacks with furious charge, and Power Lunge (S&F), and not sure if this stack with the ewp double str, if it does then that'd be your str x 4
And Ronin? Banzai charge is alright, but I wouldnt stay in longer then that. It does synergize nicely with EWP though. If you had more then 2 PrC I'd suggest topping it off with Frenzied beserker for serious charge fun.
Tealgorthian
12-09-04, 09:25 PM I tried to avoid things that were setting specific and 3.0 stuff, like the stuff from RoFand S&F.

And mageslayer.. why not? :P When I charge, 70% of the time, it is to get to an arcane caster.

PBS is a free feat from Ronin, and they only have mounted feats and ranged feats on their bonus feat list
Mirror-Image
12-10-04, 11:08 AM if you say best charger you should include stuff from at leat FR ;)

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and i have built a charger capable of dealing about 1000 damage at lvl 10-11 and
1) this built is playable from RPG viewpoint ( so no antromorphic giant squid .. )
2) there is not any single peace so cheesy that a DM will bann this rule/item/feat ... outright in his campange

i hope this inspires you to superseed that :D
Gauduric
12-10-04, 11:18 AM to the last poster, why don't u try to put your progression so we all can make Pcs that deal 1000 dmg at 10-11 level?

thanks. ;)
Mirror-Image
12-11-04, 06:17 AM thats cause i think i wouldnt get enough credits for presenting you ( i mean all ppl at the boards ) some character concepts that are far supreme to 99,9% of the builts presented here - in terms of power.
about a year ago i posted a quite good character, but although i wrote quite much to explain how he works and give a detailed analysis of his damage (from level 1 to 10 think ), the people dont realize that i have brought to you something overwelming powerful ...
so i refuse to put so much work in it to present my precious characters; but perhaps i change my attitude in some time.
for now you have to try to pull it up alone :cool:
allenchan
12-11-04, 06:32 AM thats cause i think i wouldnt get enough credits for presenting you ( i mean all ppl at the boards ) some character concepts that are far supreme to 99,9% of the builts presented here - in terms of power.
about a year ago i posted a quite good character, but although i wrote quite much to explain how he works and give a detailed analysis of his damage (from level 1 to 10 think ), the people dont realize that i have brought to you something overwelming powerful ...
so i refuse to put so much work in it to present my precious characters; but perhaps i change my attitude in some time.
for now you have to try to pull it up alone :cool:
:heehee :rofl:
cultjake
12-11-04, 06:41 AM Teal,

I forget, does those Ronin levels let you get a full attack at the end of the charge? If not, then pounce is what you're looking for.

Gnome DruidX/LionofTalisid5 finish with more druid and Hospitaler

Wildshape into a Bariaur with spirited charge 3X damage on full attacks.
Mirror-Image
12-11-04, 06:56 AM :heehee :rofl:

allenchan. what it the intention of your comment ?

( sorry for being off topic )
Stoned Golem
12-11-04, 05:06 PM Maybe he remembers some of your earlier posts. For example

why dont you say anything ?
it was hard work to write this all up so plz talk to me what you think about this

:( :( :( :weep: :P

Ironically, that was in response to a charging build. I hope it's not the one you're bragging about here though, since it's rather unremarkable. On the other hand, it was posted about a year ago and you did claim that "in my eyes the AC,attacks,damge table of 90% of the builts i have seen on this board are not 1/3rd as "strong" as this one", so...

For those curious, the build can be found here: very "strong" ECL10 built (very detailed) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=170784)

Basically it just takes a lot of charge-boosting feats and abilities (Snow Tiger Berserker, Headlong Rush, Valorous, etc.) and slaps them all together into a non-3.5-compliant build that deals good damage...and provokes one AoO from any enemy he passes by and two from the target of the charge. Light weapons means no possibility of actually using PA. No one can accuse it of being unfocused though.
Tealgorthian
12-11-04, 05:11 PM Teal,

I forget, does those Ronin levels let you get a full attack at the end of the charge? If not, then pounce is what you're looking for.

Gnome DruidX/LionofTalisid5 finish with more druid and Hospitaler

Wildshape into a Bariaur with spirited charge 3X damage on full attacks.

No, it doesnt give Pounce. A few levels of psiwar could net psionic pounce though, which is just as good.
PhaedrusXY
12-11-04, 05:42 PM I don't own Complete Warrior, but here is a charging/tripping/grappling/unarmed fighting build I made a while ago.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2674339&postcount=244

Throw in all the feats you can fit from your character and add levels of Exotic Weapon Master onto the end of it and it should make a pretty good charger I think. He gets Martial Flurry from Shou Disciple, a bit faster movement from monk, and Pounce and Rage from Singh Rager. Use a katana (bastard sword) two-handed for the Exotic Weapon Master trick to increase your Str bonus to damage.
Mirror-Image
12-11-04, 09:39 PM Maybe he remembers some of your earlier posts. For example

:( :( :( :weep: :P

Ironically, that was in response to a charging build. I hope it's not the one you're bragging about here though, since it's rather unremarkable. On the other hand, it was posted about a year ago and you did claim that "in my eyes the AC,attacks,damge table of 90% of the builts i have seen on this board are not 1/3rd as "strong" as this one", so...

For those curious, the build can be found here: very "strong" ECL10 built (very detailed) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=170784)

Basically it just takes a lot of charge-boosting feats and abilities (Snow Tiger Berserker, Headlong Rush, Valorous, etc.) and slaps them all together into a non-3.5-compliant build that deals good damage...and provokes one AoO from any enemy he passes by and two from the target of the charge. Light weapons means no possibility of actually using PA. No one can accuse it of being unfocused though.

- your right that was the post i was refering to when i said i posted one year earlier ...
- your right that the built from the old post is not capable of doing 1000 damage even with good circumstances. ( and so is not the one i had in mind as i replied here )
- but i still think that the character was a good design and it was better then most other builts. at lvl 10 the ability to make every round a full attack, 4 attacks with 40 damage each and in addition DR 10/adamant is in my opinion better then the most builts that were posted here at that time.
- the built i use for the 1000 dmg guy is one that is all but spectacular [although VERY surprising], but in the end it is a killing machine

as i said i am considering to post the character, but im not very motivated to do so ...
cowdragon
12-11-04, 11:20 PM Try throwing in Quick Draw and Hurling Charge. Can't beat an extra attack in a round. It'll go nicely with your Point Blank Shot.

Fill a bag of holding up with shortspears. Take Powerful Charge. Weapon Specialization Shortspear.

Round one you'd get to Throw a Spear, do an extra 3 points of damage, then run up to your target, quickdraw out another spear and hit them with it for an extra 1D6+5 at least. Maybe not optimal...but ya gotta give it "cool" points. :cool:

The Cowdragon :mage:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tealgorthian 12-09-04, 08:01 PM	... using only 2 base classes and 2 PrCs, at max. That's the killer. 15th level. Here's what I got 1 Ftr 1 Power Attack, EWP (Bastard Sword), Improved Sunder 2 Barb 1 3 Ftr 2 Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), Mageslayer 4 Barb 2 5 Barb 3 6 Barb 4 Combat Brute 7 Ronin 1 8 Ronin 2 9 Ronin 3 Powerful Charge 10 EWM 1 (Uncanny Blow) 11 Ronin 4 12 Ronin 5 Greater Powerful Charge, Point Blank Shot 13 Ronin 6 14 Ronin 7 15 Ronin 8 Neraph Charge
allenchan 12-09-04, 09:23 PM	Why Mageslayer, and for that matter, Point Blank? An Orc with Furious Charge (PGtF) and Heedless Charge (RoF) would be a much more devestating charger. Dont forget Reckless Charge (MHB) though im not sure this stacks with furious charge, and Power Lunge (S&F), and not sure if this stack with the ewp double str, if it does then that'd be your str x 4 And Ronin? Banzai charge is alright, but I wouldnt stay in longer then that. It does synergize nicely with EWP though. If you had more then 2 PrC I'd suggest topping it off with Frenzied beserker for serious charge fun.
Tealgorthian 12-09-04, 09:25 PM	I tried to avoid things that were setting specific and 3.0 stuff, like the stuff from RoFand S&F. And mageslayer.. why not? :P When I charge, 70% of the time, it is to get to an arcane caster. PBS is a free feat from Ronin, and they only have mounted feats and ranged feats on their bonus feat list
Mirror-Image 12-10-04, 11:08 AM	if you say best charger you should include stuff from at leat FR ;) ------- and i have built a charger capable of dealing about 1000 damage at lvl 10-11 and 1) this built is playable from RPG viewpoint ( so no antromorphic giant squid .. ) 2) there is not any single peace so cheesy that a DM will bann this rule/item/feat ... outright in his campange i hope this inspires you to superseed that :D
Gauduric 12-10-04, 11:18 AM	to the last poster, why don't u try to put your progression so we all can make Pcs that deal 1000 dmg at 10-11 level? thanks. ;)
Mirror-Image 12-11-04, 06:17 AM	thats cause i think i wouldnt get enough credits for presenting you ( i mean all ppl at the boards ) some character concepts that are far supreme to 99,9% of the builts presented here - in terms of power. about a year ago i posted a quite good character, but although i wrote quite much to explain how he works and give a detailed analysis of his damage (from level 1 to 10 think ), the people dont realize that i have brought to you something overwelming powerful ... so i refuse to put so much work in it to present my precious characters; but perhaps i change my attitude in some time. for now you have to try to pull it up alone :cool:
allenchan 12-11-04, 06:32 AM	thats cause i think i wouldnt get enough credits for presenting you ( i mean all ppl at the boards ) some character concepts that are far supreme to 99,9% of the builts presented here - in terms of power. about a year ago i posted a quite good character, but although i wrote quite much to explain how he works and give a detailed analysis of his damage (from level 1 to 10 think ), the people dont realize that i have brought to you something overwelming powerful ... so i refuse to put so much work in it to present my precious characters; but perhaps i change my attitude in some time. for now you have to try to pull it up alone :cool: :heehee :rofl:
cultjake 12-11-04, 06:41 AM	Teal, I forget, does those Ronin levels let you get a full attack at the end of the charge? If not, then pounce is what you're looking for. Gnome DruidX/LionofTalisid5 finish with more druid and Hospitaler Wildshape into a Bariaur with spirited charge 3X damage on full attacks.
Mirror-Image 12-11-04, 06:56 AM	:heehee :rofl: allenchan. what it the intention of your comment ? ( sorry for being off topic )
Stoned Golem 12-11-04, 05:06 PM	Maybe he remembers some of your earlier posts. For example why dont you say anything ? it was hard work to write this all up so plz talk to me what you think about this :( :( :( :weep: :P Ironically, that was in response to a charging build. I hope it's not the one you're bragging about here though, since it's rather unremarkable. On the other hand, it was posted about a year ago and you did claim that "in my eyes the AC,attacks,damge table of 90% of the builts i have seen on this board are not 1/3rd as "strong" as this one", so... For those curious, the build can be found here: very "strong" ECL10 built (very detailed) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=170784) Basically it just takes a lot of charge-boosting feats and abilities (Snow Tiger Berserker, Headlong Rush, Valorous, etc.) and slaps them all together into a non-3.5-compliant build that deals good damage...and provokes one AoO from any enemy he passes by and two from the target of the charge. Light weapons means no possibility of actually using PA. No one can accuse it of being unfocused though.
Tealgorthian 12-11-04, 05:11 PM	Teal, I forget, does those Ronin levels let you get a full attack at the end of the charge? If not, then pounce is what you're looking for. Gnome DruidX/LionofTalisid5 finish with more druid and Hospitaler Wildshape into a Bariaur with spirited charge 3X damage on full attacks. No, it doesnt give Pounce. A few levels of psiwar could net psionic pounce though, which is just as good.
PhaedrusXY 12-11-04, 05:42 PM	I don't own Complete Warrior, but here is a charging/tripping/grappling/unarmed fighting build I made a while ago. http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=2674339&postcount=244 Throw in all the feats you can fit from your character and add levels of Exotic Weapon Master onto the end of it and it should make a pretty good charger I think. He gets Martial Flurry from Shou Disciple, a bit faster movement from monk, and Pounce and Rage from Singh Rager. Use a katana (bastard sword) two-handed for the Exotic Weapon Master trick to increase your Str bonus to damage.
Mirror-Image 12-11-04, 09:39 PM	Maybe he remembers some of your earlier posts. For example :( :( :( :weep: :P Ironically, that was in response to a charging build. I hope it's not the one you're bragging about here though, since it's rather unremarkable. On the other hand, it was posted about a year ago and you did claim that "in my eyes the AC,attacks,damge table of 90% of the builts i have seen on this board are not 1/3rd as "strong" as this one", so... For those curious, the build can be found here: very "strong" ECL10 built (very detailed) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=170784) Basically it just takes a lot of charge-boosting feats and abilities (Snow Tiger Berserker, Headlong Rush, Valorous, etc.) and slaps them all together into a non-3.5-compliant build that deals good damage...and provokes one AoO from any enemy he passes by and two from the target of the charge. Light weapons means no possibility of actually using PA. No one can accuse it of being unfocused though. - your right that was the post i was refering to when i said i posted one year earlier ... - your right that the built from the old post is not capable of doing 1000 damage even with good circumstances. ( and so is not the one i had in mind as i replied here ) - but i still think that the character was a good design and it was better then most other builts. at lvl 10 the ability to make every round a full attack, 4 attacks with 40 damage each and in addition DR 10/adamant is in my opinion better then the most builts that were posted here at that time. - the built i use for the 1000 dmg guy is one that is all but spectacular [although VERY surprising], but in the end it is a killing machine as i said i am considering to post the character, but im not very motivated to do so ...
cowdragon 12-11-04, 11:20 PM	Try throwing in Quick Draw and Hurling Charge. Can't beat an extra attack in a round. It'll go nicely with your Point Blank Shot. Fill a bag of holding up with shortspears. Take Powerful Charge. Weapon Specialization Shortspear. Round one you'd get to Throw a Spear, do an extra 3 points of damage, then run up to your target, quickdraw out another spear and hit them with it for an extra 1D6+5 at least. Maybe not optimal...but ya gotta give it "cool" points. :cool: The Cowdragon :mage: