Best races for? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Best races for? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Arcane
05-18-06, 06:04 AM Bard
Barbarian
Fighter
Monk
Paladin

This is including EVERYTHING - ALL splatbooks, core, etc. and 3.0-3.5. In other words, we have to use the latest version of it.
_J_
05-18-06, 06:50 AM Any limits on ECL, Racial HD or LA?
Necromas
05-18-06, 07:17 AM Goliaths are great for fighter classes, at the cost of 1 ECL you gain:

Large Weapons

+4str, +2con

Size Bonuses to disarm, trip, bull rush, overrun, grapple etc....

Really nice feat options that are restricted to goliaths or large creatures, like one that gives +1 nat AC, ones that make you a rock thrower or even let you throw enemies (or allies), etc....

Ability to do running jumps without having to get a running start.
Arcane
05-18-06, 11:19 AM First replier: No. I can use any race in a book.

Second replier: Thanks, I'll consider that. Any other of you fine folks here at CO know good races for those classes?
Prominence
05-18-06, 11:39 AM Best races for?
Bard
Barbarian
Fighter
Monk
Paladin

Answer: It Depends what you're doing and what you want.

If you're just looking for strong races, look at lesser aasimar, warforged, whisper gnome, and humans.
lukelightning
05-18-06, 11:43 AM Assuming PHB-only races:

Bard: Gnome if you plan on illusion spells, half-elf if you are a "talker" otherwise human.
Barbarian: Dwarf or half-orc.
Fighter: Dwarf or half-orc.
Monk: Human, there is no other choice; you need that bonus feat.
Paladin: Human.
Rhonin the Big
05-18-06, 11:57 AM For barbarian I say Goliath: +4str +2 con, powerful build which kicks ass and the ability to accelerated climb at no penalty and make running long jumps without a running start. Their barbarian racial sub is really good too.

For monk I say Githzerai, the last 2 monk levels aren't that great anyway but Githzerai get +6dex +2wis, combine that with timeless body and you negate the int penalty and get an effective +5 or +6 to monk Armor Class

Paladin I would say Aasimar, +2wis and +2cha. They also make great soulborn too.

Fighter it depends on combat style. If you like being finessy then Air Genasi or Tiefling. Basically anything goes with Fighter, the best fighter Ive played was a skullcrusher Ogre TWF with a waraxe and heavy shield. I had a Harsaaf fighter wielding a spiked chain, he turned out really well. I would avoid adding templates if you want to adjust level.

Bard Im not sure, maybe Catfolk or Drow.
Pallin Rahl
05-18-06, 11:57 AM Why stop there? :p

Expand to include the:
Psion
Psychic Warrior
Soulknife
Wilder

;)
Surreal
05-18-06, 12:38 PM The question is really rather moot since your choice of race (from a CO perspective) comes down to what you want your character to do, which isn't necessarily limited by your class. Some of my favourite races at the moment include:
Flind Gnoll - ecl 4, big stat boosts, EWP: flindbar
were-direbat - ecl 7-8, very nice stats, large hybrid size, flight
Bauriar (planar handbook) - LA+1, outsider type, SR 11+class
Catfolk - LA+1, good stats, 40' speed, early pounce feat
Ed-Zero
05-18-06, 01:02 PM What is the gnome that gets the extra feat at first level like a human? That race would be pretty good for almost anything.
Surreal
05-18-06, 01:10 PM You're thinking Strongheart Halfling (or was that "stoutheart"?)
Hesparex
05-18-06, 02:10 PM The halfling that trade the general luck bonus to saves for a feat is strongheart I believe (It is FR which is a campaign setting I dont much care for as poorly written rules don't amuse me)
AZNsupermarket
05-18-06, 09:45 PM I'm ignoring creatures with hd and LA because they suck.
I'll try to stay away from anything overly complex because that would require too much of your time to understand what the hell I'm talking about.
I'm also ignoring lesser aasimar and lesser tieflings because they are broken and cannot condone anyone using them under any circumstance

Bard - Elves are great (Half-Elf substitution levels from Races of the Wild isn't bad either)
Barbarian - Human, Half-Orc, or Dwarf
Fighter - Human is good, but fighter is too vague to choose which one in particular
Monk - Overall Human (Half-Orc or Dwarf are playable, but not suggested)
Paladin - Human
Enamel_32
05-18-06, 09:53 PM I like the warforged for barbarians, because of the con bonus, and the not-getting-tired-after-raging ability.
Kurama Youko
05-18-06, 11:23 PM Bard
Barbarian
Fighter
Monk
Paladin

This is including EVERYTHING - ALL splatbooks, core, etc. and 3.0-3.5. In other words, we have to use the latest version of it.

Bard - Star Elf - Forgotten Realms Unapproachable East, I'd also say add the spark template from one of the dragon magazines but i dont remember the number.
Barbarian - Warforged - Ebberon Campaign Setting
Fighter - Warforged - Ebberon Campaign Setting
Monk - Buomman - Planar Handbook
Paladin - Humans - PHB..

Those are all LA+0.. now if you dont care about LA's then there are just to many for any one particular class.
DarthDave
05-23-06, 06:02 PM Let's look at the Dragon Shaman- it wants to add kobolds or spellscales, but are either of these two races optimal? Taking any kobold as a character almost requires taking Dragonwrought feat at 1st level. Level 2(?) of Dragon Shaman is pretty much similar to the innate spell like abilities of the Dragonwrought type (although being Dragonwrought is much better- pg. 39 of RotD lets Kobolds grow smarty, wise, and charming without a lost step).

Any thoughts about a kobold dragon shaman?
Caelic
05-23-06, 06:07 PM Bard? Half-elf, by far. There is simply no other ability that can compare with Soothing Voice for enhancing the power of a Bard, and only a Half-Elf with the first racial substitution level can get Soothing Voice.
nbhs275
05-23-06, 06:33 PM whys everyone hating on the halfling? they make great palidins, rogues, casters.

Strongheart halfling palidins beat out the human hard! think, they get the extra feat, size bonus to hit(a more accurate smite anyone?),their dex helps with the riding, they get access to the halfling outrider(omg best prc ever for palidins)and with the right class dips can deal just as much or more melee damage(use their high charisma bonuses+marshal aura over the hill..charismaX3 on charges...amkes strength a dump) and are awsome mobile throwers(total of natural +3 to ranged attacks)
Caelic
05-23-06, 06:36 PM Oh, heck, I'd never hate on the halfling; I'm married to one. ;) Besides, Strongheart Halfling's key to the Supermount build.
Nightingale
05-23-06, 08:03 PM Has anyone mentioned Illumians? They rock something awful, multiclassing is suggested for them, and because of their sigils, you can adapt them to fit almost any class. I'm playing a shadow sentinel, one of the illumian only PrCs, in a campaign now, and he's been quite poweful. All in all, illumian make exceptional rogues, paladins and wizards, because most of their sigil combinations favor those classes. Besides, they look cool too. :D
Subedei
05-23-06, 08:19 PM If by "they look cool" you mean "they look like idiots" I agree with you completely on that one.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arcane 05-18-06, 06:04 AM	Bard Barbarian Fighter Monk Paladin This is including EVERYTHING - ALL splatbooks, core, etc. and 3.0-3.5. In other words, we have to use the latest version of it.
_J_ 05-18-06, 06:50 AM	Any limits on ECL, Racial HD or LA?
Necromas 05-18-06, 07:17 AM	Goliaths are great for fighter classes, at the cost of 1 ECL you gain: Large Weapons +4str, +2con Size Bonuses to disarm, trip, bull rush, overrun, grapple etc.... Really nice feat options that are restricted to goliaths or large creatures, like one that gives +1 nat AC, ones that make you a rock thrower or even let you throw enemies (or allies), etc.... Ability to do running jumps without having to get a running start.
Arcane 05-18-06, 11:19 AM	First replier: No. I can use any race in a book. Second replier: Thanks, I'll consider that. Any other of you fine folks here at CO know good races for those classes?
Prominence 05-18-06, 11:39 AM	Best races for? Bard Barbarian Fighter Monk Paladin Answer: It Depends what you're doing and what you want. If you're just looking for strong races, look at lesser aasimar, warforged, whisper gnome, and humans.
lukelightning 05-18-06, 11:43 AM	Assuming PHB-only races: Bard: Gnome if you plan on illusion spells, half-elf if you are a "talker" otherwise human. Barbarian: Dwarf or half-orc. Fighter: Dwarf or half-orc. Monk: Human, there is no other choice; you need that bonus feat. Paladin: Human.
Rhonin the Big 05-18-06, 11:57 AM	For barbarian I say Goliath: +4str +2 con, powerful build which kicks ass and the ability to accelerated climb at no penalty and make running long jumps without a running start. Their barbarian racial sub is really good too. For monk I say Githzerai, the last 2 monk levels aren't that great anyway but Githzerai get +6dex +2wis, combine that with timeless body and you negate the int penalty and get an effective +5 or +6 to monk Armor Class Paladin I would say Aasimar, +2wis and +2cha. They also make great soulborn too. Fighter it depends on combat style. If you like being finessy then Air Genasi or Tiefling. Basically anything goes with Fighter, the best fighter Ive played was a skullcrusher Ogre TWF with a waraxe and heavy shield. I had a Harsaaf fighter wielding a spiked chain, he turned out really well. I would avoid adding templates if you want to adjust level. Bard Im not sure, maybe Catfolk or Drow.
Pallin Rahl 05-18-06, 11:57 AM	Why stop there? :p Expand to include the: Psion Psychic Warrior Soulknife Wilder ;)
Surreal 05-18-06, 12:38 PM	The question is really rather moot since your choice of race (from a CO perspective) comes down to what you want your character to do, which isn't necessarily limited by your class. Some of my favourite races at the moment include: Flind Gnoll - ecl 4, big stat boosts, EWP: flindbar were-direbat - ecl 7-8, very nice stats, large hybrid size, flight Bauriar (planar handbook) - LA+1, outsider type, SR 11+class Catfolk - LA+1, good stats, 40' speed, early pounce feat
Ed-Zero 05-18-06, 01:02 PM	What is the gnome that gets the extra feat at first level like a human? That race would be pretty good for almost anything.
Surreal 05-18-06, 01:10 PM	You're thinking Strongheart Halfling (or was that "stoutheart"?)
Hesparex 05-18-06, 02:10 PM	The halfling that trade the general luck bonus to saves for a feat is strongheart I believe (It is FR which is a campaign setting I dont much care for as poorly written rules don't amuse me)
AZNsupermarket 05-18-06, 09:45 PM	I'm ignoring creatures with hd and LA because they suck. I'll try to stay away from anything overly complex because that would require too much of your time to understand what the hell I'm talking about. I'm also ignoring lesser aasimar and lesser tieflings because they are broken and cannot condone anyone using them under any circumstance Bard - Elves are great (Half-Elf substitution levels from Races of the Wild isn't bad either) Barbarian - Human, Half-Orc, or Dwarf Fighter - Human is good, but fighter is too vague to choose which one in particular Monk - Overall Human (Half-Orc or Dwarf are playable, but not suggested) Paladin - Human
Enamel_32 05-18-06, 09:53 PM	I like the warforged for barbarians, because of the con bonus, and the not-getting-tired-after-raging ability.
Kurama Youko 05-18-06, 11:23 PM	Bard Barbarian Fighter Monk Paladin This is including EVERYTHING - ALL splatbooks, core, etc. and 3.0-3.5. In other words, we have to use the latest version of it. Bard - Star Elf - Forgotten Realms Unapproachable East, I'd also say add the spark template from one of the dragon magazines but i dont remember the number. Barbarian - Warforged - Ebberon Campaign Setting Fighter - Warforged - Ebberon Campaign Setting Monk - Buomman - Planar Handbook Paladin - Humans - PHB.. Those are all LA+0.. now if you dont care about LA's then there are just to many for any one particular class.
DarthDave 05-23-06, 06:02 PM	Let's look at the Dragon Shaman- it wants to add kobolds or spellscales, but are either of these two races optimal? Taking any kobold as a character almost requires taking Dragonwrought feat at 1st level. Level 2(?) of Dragon Shaman is pretty much similar to the innate spell like abilities of the Dragonwrought type (although being Dragonwrought is much better- pg. 39 of RotD lets Kobolds grow smarty, wise, and charming without a lost step). Any thoughts about a kobold dragon shaman?
Caelic 05-23-06, 06:07 PM	Bard? Half-elf, by far. There is simply no other ability that can compare with Soothing Voice for enhancing the power of a Bard, and only a Half-Elf with the first racial substitution level can get Soothing Voice.
nbhs275 05-23-06, 06:33 PM	whys everyone hating on the halfling? they make great palidins, rogues, casters. Strongheart halfling palidins beat out the human hard! think, they get the extra feat, size bonus to hit(a more accurate smite anyone?),their dex helps with the riding, they get access to the halfling outrider(omg best prc ever for palidins)and with the right class dips can deal just as much or more melee damage(use their high charisma bonuses+marshal aura over the hill..charismaX3 on charges...amkes strength a dump) and are awsome mobile throwers(total of natural +3 to ranged attacks)
Caelic 05-23-06, 06:36 PM	Oh, heck, I'd never hate on the halfling; I'm married to one. ;) Besides, Strongheart Halfling's key to the Supermount build.
Nightingale 05-23-06, 08:03 PM	Has anyone mentioned Illumians? They rock something awful, multiclassing is suggested for them, and because of their sigils, you can adapt them to fit almost any class. I'm playing a shadow sentinel, one of the illumian only PrCs, in a campaign now, and he's been quite poweful. All in all, illumian make exceptional rogues, paladins and wizards, because most of their sigil combinations favor those classes. Besides, they look cool too. :D
Subedei 05-23-06, 08:19 PM	If by "they look cool" you mean "they look like idiots" I agree with you completely on that one.