best route to abjurant champion [Archive] - Wizards Community

best route to abjurant champion [Archive] - Wizards Community

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SpartanMD
01-10-07, 04:32 PM What would be the better entry to abjurant champion? I have to enter as a Ranger (I know, no spellsword dip :( )

Ranger2/Conjurer6/Abj Champ 5

or

Ranger1/Conj6/EK1/Abj Champ 5

or Ranger1/Conj5/KnghtPhantom2/Abj Champ 5

Is there a list of low/mid level spells that the abj champ ability would apply? All I can think of is Sheild off the top of my head.

Knight Phantom is here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/2005070a&page=4
Sactheminions
01-10-07, 04:52 PM Well, as a Ranger, something like Rgr2/Wiz2/HumanParagon3 gets you in, but you're already down 3 caster levels, meaning you can't take Eldritch Knight later without losing access to 9th level spells.

Rgr2/Wiz6 works but it's not much fun. Then I guess you just go 5 Abj Champ levels and run out in EK... gets you 17th level casting and 4 attacks so it's technically feasible, it just stinks to have to take so many Wizard levels.
SKB
01-10-07, 06:22 PM IDEAL: HumanParagon1/Fighter1/Wizard2/HumanParagon2/Spellsword1/AbjurantChampion5/EK8 or PK8
BAB: 18
CL: 17
ST: 12/5/15

YOU: Ranger1/Wizard2/HumanParagon3/Ruathar3/AbjurantChampion5/EK6 or PK6
BAB: 17
CL: 17
ST: 10/9/15
Bengal
01-13-07, 01:12 AM Why do you start with Human paragon first there?
ressurrector
01-13-07, 01:36 AM What about the school specialist PrC from Complete mage? better than straight Wiz levels at least, and quick to qualify.
SKB
01-13-07, 02:09 AM Why do you start with Human paragon first there?

Skill Points.
ninjarabbit
01-13-07, 09:18 AM ranger1/fighter1/wizard4/spellsword1
SpartanMD
01-13-07, 01:26 PM What about the school specialist PrC from Complete mage? better than straight Wiz levels at least, and quick to qualify.

What was the requirements? I'm at work, and don't have Complete Arcane here....

Are you suggesting a 1-2 level dip and then go to abjurant champ?
SpartanMD
01-13-07, 01:29 PM ranger1/fighter1/wizard4/spellsword1

won't this give me an XP penalty?

How about Rang1/Wiz6/EK1/AbChamp5/EK2-7? This gives a BAB of +16 and CL of 18. Not too bad...

Hopefully there will be some gishy ranger in complete scoundrel, or at least a gish/skill monkey that I can dip in and then pick up AbChamp.
ressurrector
01-13-07, 02:39 PM What was the requirements? I'm at work, and don't have Complete Arcane here....

Are you suggesting a 1-2 level dip and then go to abjurant champ?

Requirements:
2nd level arcane spells
must be specialist wizard
Know (arcana) 5 ranks
spellcraft 5 ranks
spell focus (school of specialization)

Yes, a level 3 wizard can qualify.

full casting PrC, 4th level gives your summoned creatures extra hp=CL if you're a conjurer. 7th and 10th give other school based abilites.
So, I'd suggest a 4 level dip, if you can stomach it.
Ranger1/Conj4/Master Spec4/Abj Champ5/XXX 6
Kuroi Kenshi
01-13-07, 03:15 PM won't this give me an XP penalty?Depends on your race...if your race makes your favored class Wizard (elf, human, half elf), then no. If your race makes your favored class Fighter or Ranger, then yes.
EyeontheMountain
01-13-07, 05:09 PM I like the Battle Sorcerer varient 4/Paladin 2/ Abjurant Champion 5/EK 10 for a rather nice build

19 BAB
Charisma as amulti-use stat
17 levels of casting. (sure, down a spell per day and a spell known at every level)
Casting in light armor.
Good saves from Paladin.

And if I learn to read the OP, Ranger works well too.
SpartanMD
01-15-07, 01:06 PM Requirements:
2nd level arcane spells
must be specialist wizard
Know (arcana) 5 ranks
spellcraft 5 ranks
spell focus (school of specialization)

Yes, a level 3 wizard can qualify.

full casting PrC, 4th level gives your summoned creatures extra hp=CL if you're a conjurer. 7th and 10th give other school based abilites.
So, I'd suggest a 4 level dip, if you can stomach it.
Ranger1/Conj4/Master Spec4/Abj Champ5/XXX 6

Yeah, I saw that combo this weekend. 8 levels of a wizard is pretty brutal gishwise, and your max BAB is only +15 if you took 5 levels of EK, with a CL of 18.

If I went Human Ranger1/Wiz6/EK1/AbCH5/EK7 I'd have a BAB+16 and CL of 18. Not too bad....
dog45
01-15-07, 02:35 PM Is there a list of low/mid level spells that the abj champ ability would apply? All I can think of is Sheild off the top of my head.

From the PHB:

Shield.

Lame, I know.

Ectomplasmic Armor from the Spell Compendium works too.

edit: removed Protection from Evil. Stupid deflection bonuses...
SpartanMD
01-15-07, 02:43 PM From the PHB:

Shield.

Lame, I know.

Ectomplasmic Armor from the Spell Compendium works too.

edit: removed Protection from Evil. Stupid deflection bonuses...

I think Protection from Evil had the wrong type of bonus...so that leaves just Shield.
Xylem
01-15-07, 03:11 PM This has been gone through before several times -- there ought to be a link to it somewhere.

You can add:

Greater Deflect: PHB2
Luminous Armor and Greater Luminous Armor: BoED

There are also some Shadowcaster mysteries that apply when cast as spells, but that's a hard build to pull off with Abjurant Champion (see here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=770275)).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
SpartanMD 01-10-07, 04:32 PM	What would be the better entry to abjurant champion? I have to enter as a Ranger (I know, no spellsword dip :( ) Ranger2/Conjurer6/Abj Champ 5 or Ranger1/Conj6/EK1/Abj Champ 5 or Ranger1/Conj5/KnghtPhantom2/Abj Champ 5 Is there a list of low/mid level spells that the abj champ ability would apply? All I can think of is Sheild off the top of my head. Knight Phantom is here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/2005070a&page=4
Sactheminions 01-10-07, 04:52 PM	Well, as a Ranger, something like Rgr2/Wiz2/HumanParagon3 gets you in, but you're already down 3 caster levels, meaning you can't take Eldritch Knight later without losing access to 9th level spells. Rgr2/Wiz6 works but it's not much fun. Then I guess you just go 5 Abj Champ levels and run out in EK... gets you 17th level casting and 4 attacks so it's technically feasible, it just stinks to have to take so many Wizard levels.
SKB 01-10-07, 06:22 PM	IDEAL: HumanParagon1/Fighter1/Wizard2/HumanParagon2/Spellsword1/AbjurantChampion5/EK8 or PK8 BAB: 18 CL: 17 ST: 12/5/15 YOU: Ranger1/Wizard2/HumanParagon3/Ruathar3/AbjurantChampion5/EK6 or PK6 BAB: 17 CL: 17 ST: 10/9/15
Bengal 01-13-07, 01:12 AM	Why do you start with Human paragon first there?
ressurrector 01-13-07, 01:36 AM	What about the school specialist PrC from Complete mage? better than straight Wiz levels at least, and quick to qualify.
SKB 01-13-07, 02:09 AM	Why do you start with Human paragon first there? Skill Points.
ninjarabbit 01-13-07, 09:18 AM	ranger1/fighter1/wizard4/spellsword1
SpartanMD 01-13-07, 01:26 PM	What about the school specialist PrC from Complete mage? better than straight Wiz levels at least, and quick to qualify. What was the requirements? I'm at work, and don't have Complete Arcane here.... Are you suggesting a 1-2 level dip and then go to abjurant champ?
SpartanMD 01-13-07, 01:29 PM	ranger1/fighter1/wizard4/spellsword1 won't this give me an XP penalty? How about Rang1/Wiz6/EK1/AbChamp5/EK2-7? This gives a BAB of +16 and CL of 18. Not too bad... Hopefully there will be some gishy ranger in complete scoundrel, or at least a gish/skill monkey that I can dip in and then pick up AbChamp.
ressurrector 01-13-07, 02:39 PM	What was the requirements? I'm at work, and don't have Complete Arcane here.... Are you suggesting a 1-2 level dip and then go to abjurant champ? Requirements: 2nd level arcane spells must be specialist wizard Know (arcana) 5 ranks spellcraft 5 ranks spell focus (school of specialization) Yes, a level 3 wizard can qualify. full casting PrC, 4th level gives your summoned creatures extra hp=CL if you're a conjurer. 7th and 10th give other school based abilites. So, I'd suggest a 4 level dip, if you can stomach it. Ranger1/Conj4/Master Spec4/Abj Champ5/XXX 6
Kuroi Kenshi 01-13-07, 03:15 PM	won't this give me an XP penalty?Depends on your race...if your race makes your favored class Wizard (elf, human, half elf), then no. If your race makes your favored class Fighter or Ranger, then yes.
EyeontheMountain 01-13-07, 05:09 PM	I like the Battle Sorcerer varient 4/Paladin 2/ Abjurant Champion 5/EK 10 for a rather nice build 19 BAB Charisma as amulti-use stat 17 levels of casting. (sure, down a spell per day and a spell known at every level) Casting in light armor. Good saves from Paladin. And if I learn to read the OP, Ranger works well too.
SpartanMD 01-15-07, 01:06 PM	Requirements: 2nd level arcane spells must be specialist wizard Know (arcana) 5 ranks spellcraft 5 ranks spell focus (school of specialization) Yes, a level 3 wizard can qualify. full casting PrC, 4th level gives your summoned creatures extra hp=CL if you're a conjurer. 7th and 10th give other school based abilites. So, I'd suggest a 4 level dip, if you can stomach it. Ranger1/Conj4/Master Spec4/Abj Champ5/XXX 6 Yeah, I saw that combo this weekend. 8 levels of a wizard is pretty brutal gishwise, and your max BAB is only +15 if you took 5 levels of EK, with a CL of 18. If I went Human Ranger1/Wiz6/EK1/AbCH5/EK7 I'd have a BAB+16 and CL of 18. Not too bad....
dog45 01-15-07, 02:35 PM	Is there a list of low/mid level spells that the abj champ ability would apply? All I can think of is Sheild off the top of my head. From the PHB: Shield. Lame, I know. Ectomplasmic Armor from the Spell Compendium works too. edit: removed Protection from Evil. Stupid deflection bonuses...
SpartanMD 01-15-07, 02:43 PM	From the PHB: Shield. Lame, I know. Ectomplasmic Armor from the Spell Compendium works too. edit: removed Protection from Evil. Stupid deflection bonuses... I think Protection from Evil had the wrong type of bonus...so that leaves just Shield.
Xylem 01-15-07, 03:11 PM	This has been gone through before several times -- there ought to be a link to it somewhere. You can add: Greater Deflect: PHB2 Luminous Armor and Greater Luminous Armor: BoED There are also some Shadowcaster mysteries that apply when cast as spells, but that's a hard build to pull off with Abjurant Champion (see here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=770275)).