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SahinTC 10-19-04, 10:20 PM	I figure you'd have to make extensive use of the Mystic Theurge, Psionic Theurge, and Cerebremancer classes, along with Apostle of Peace or Ur-Priest... Perhaps something like Psion 3/Wizard 3/(Apostle of Peace/UrPriest) 2/MyTh 4/PsiTh 4/Cebre 4 You'd end up with 11 levels of psion powers (level 6 psionic powers), 10 levels of Apostle/Ur-Priest (level 9 divine), and 11 levels of arcane powers (level 6 arcane). Can anyone think of something better?
catharz 10-19-04, 10:54 PM	Seach for the triple threat thread, I posted something there. Assuming MAD isn't an issue, Ranger 1/Psion 4/Ur priest 2/Psychic theurge 7/Nar demonbinder 1/Cerebrancer 5 will get you 8th level psion powers, 9th level cleric spells, and 7th level arcane.
SahinTC 10-19-04, 11:03 PM	What good are those arcane spells though? It's a rather pitiful selection, and IIRC, the Nar Demonbinder cannot learn more spells that that, can he?
SahinTC 10-20-04, 12:02 AM	Ah, let's see, I found it. NDB's spell list: 4th - Beltyn's burning blood, dimensional anchor, dismissal, lesser planar binding, magic circle against good, summon monster IV, wall of fire. 5th - dispel good, flame strike, plane shift, spell resistence, summon monster V. 6th - banishment, fiendform, greater dispealling, planar binding, summon monster VI 7th - blasphemy, fire storm, summon monster VII 8th - flensing, greater planar binding, unholy aura, summon monster VIII Not many good spells there. Sure, fiendform is great, and the summons are always handy, but overall, how useful is wasting so many levels on an arcane class for use of such a pathetic selection of spells?
baoban sith 10-20-04, 02:47 AM	I think that I've found the worst way to do it. Elan bard2/monk3/psionic fist3/nentyar hunter 2/psychic theurge 3/nar demonbinder2/cerebmancer 4
catharz 10-20-04, 03:14 AM	What good are those arcane spells though? It's a rather pitiful selection, and IIRC, the Nar Demonbinder cannot learn more spells that that, can he? I would say that 8th level psion powers and "crappy" (Flensing, Planar bindings, Summon monster, and Spell resistance are crappy? News to me!) 7th level arcane spells is a lot better then 6th level arcane spells and psion powers.
scrollreader 10-20-04, 03:15 AM	Not many good spells there. Sure, fiendform is great, and the summons are always handy, but overall, how useful is wasting so many levels on an arcane class for use of such a pathetic selection of spells? Well, there's always Arcane Strike. And/or Arcane Disciple. In a build like this, the reliance on wisdom as the DC setter is less crippling than for a pure singlestat caster. IIRC, the completed triple casting build has 8th level spells/powers in each, which is, in point of fact, pretty sweet. Really, the Nar Demonbinder is just icing on the already excellent cake, of 8th level divine/8th level psionic powers. And makes for a much cooler character, besides. Purple Rain? Damn. Now I'm only a psion 15/arcanist 15, with 8th level spells from each. :D
The Lone Drow 10-20-04, 03:20 AM	I'll second catharz on this. Nar Demonbinder's spell list is nothing short of pretty good. I must say that build of yours has me thinking of finally bugging my DM into allowing psions... :) I wonder if he'll allow him along with Ur-priest... a tough job, but worth it! lol
LordKiwi 10-20-04, 04:19 AM	There is a thread on this subject here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=319439). It ends up with the following build: Human Psion (Telepath) 5 / Psychic Warrior 1 / Ur-Priest 2 / Psionic Theurge 5 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / Ceribromancer 5 / Mystic Theurge 1 Get Practiced Spellcaster for divine spells and you have... Psi ml 15 lvl 8 powers Divine cl 16 lvl 8 spells Arcane cl 15 lvl 8 spells The Nar Demonbinder spell list if rather poor but you can augment it with the Arcane Disciple feat to get some useful spells and/or Arcane Preparation gives him access to the Corrupt spells form the Book of Vile Darkness. Lord Kiwi
SahinTC 10-20-04, 08:38 AM	Well, there's always Arcane Strike. And/or Arcane Disciple. In a build like this, the reliance on wisdom as the DC setter is less crippling than for a pure singlestat caster. IIRC, the completed triple casting build has 8th level spells/powers in each, which is, in point of fact, pretty sweet. Really, the Nar Demonbinder is just icing on the already excellent cake, of 8th level divine/8th level psionic powers. And makes for a much cooler character, besides. Purple Rain? Damn. Now I'm only a psion 15/arcanist 15, with 8th level spells from each. :D Heh... well... you could always do Psion 8 / Ur-Priest/Apostle 2 / Psionic Theurge 10 and get level 9 powers and level 9 divine spells... I'm not sure if it's really worth it to pick up NDB for it's rather small assortment of spells when you could just advance your psionics significantly.
Snicker-Snack 10-20-04, 08:51 AM	I'll second catharz on this. Nar Demonbinder's spell list is nothing short of pretty good. Agreed. It's a small spell list, but that doesn't mean it's a pitiful spell list.
Thalis 10-20-04, 11:36 AM	are both psionic theurge(Psionic and divine?) and ceribromancer(psionin and arcane?) in XPH? and how bout Nar demon bringer, BoVD? and if so, is a prereq being evil?
Bacris 10-20-04, 11:39 AM	What about Cheater of Mystra / Psion with Psychic Theurge? Mix in some PrCs perhaps?
Zeltari, beyond 10-20-04, 11:51 AM	What about Cheater of Mystra / Psion with Psychic Theurge? Mix in some PrCs perhaps? I'am to play one tomorow for the first time :P Think it works... we play high abilities but it goes like this: Cleric 3 (the cleric from Unearthed arcana) Monk 1 / Psion 1 / Mystic Wanderer 2 / Psychic Theruge 4, think it's very good focusing on two splashing in a few arcane and then dump ur-priest... Is this one weak compared to arcane/psion/divine, thoughts?
LordKiwi 10-21-04, 04:23 AM	are both psionic theurge(Psionic and divine?) This is online in the Mind's Eye articles here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040925b). [QUOTE=Thalis]and ceribromancer(psionin and arcane?) in XPH? Cerebramancer is from the XPH. and how bout Nar demon bringer, BoVD? and if so, is a prereq being evil? Nar Demon Binder is from Unaproachable East and requires that you be evil. Lord Kiwi,
The Lone Drow 10-21-04, 05:07 AM	Nar Demon Binder is from Unaproachable East and requires that you be evil. Actually, it doesn't. You can actually have a Paladin Nar Demonbinder if you want.
LordKiwi 10-21-04, 06:31 AM	Actually, it doesn't. You can actually have a Paladin Nar Demonbinder if you want. Blimey, I never realised that. It paves the way for a Good character capable of casting from all three magic types. It'd be hard as the Divine Champion has a harsh BAB restriction while the Apostle of Peace is very limiting. Ranger 1 / Wilder 4 / Ilithid Slayer 3 / Divine Champion 2 / Psychic Theurge 2 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / Psychic Theurge 2 / Cerbramancer 4 / Mystic Theurge 1 = Arcane 7th / Divine 8th / Psionic 7th OR Psion 7 / Apostle of Peace 2 / Psychic Theurge 2 / Nar Demonbinder 1 / Cerbramancer 5 / Mystic Theurge 2 / Psychic Theurge 1 = Arcane 8th / Divine 7th / Psionic 8th So you can get close to the Psion/Ur-priest/Binder build, but not quite. Of course you can modify the builds to shuffle the final spell levels around a bit. CL is not as good as the one including the Ur-Priest. Lord Kiwi,