Bet You Never Thought of THIS Combo! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bet You Never Thought of THIS Combo! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 02:39 AM Okay, get this:

Any Large Sized Race.

Be a Duskblade X/Hulking Hurler 3.

Use Area Attack and Arcane Strike to great effect.
LogicNinja
11-04-06, 02:46 AM Okay, get this:

Any Large Sized Race.

Be a[anything]/Hulking Hurler 3.

Use Area Attack and Arcane Strike to great effect.

No, that's okay.

As for the trick... well, yeah, it works.

But if you're playing a Hulking Hurler, do you really need more damage?

Besides, Duskblade 9 (needed to get Arcane Strike) is 9 levels. I'm sure those nine levels could be put to using getting you a lot more extra damage than +3d4.
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 02:49 AM Besides, Duskblade 9 (needed to get Arcane Strike) is 9 levels. I'm sure those nine levels could be put to using getting you a lot more extra damage than +3d4....You do realize that you can activate AS more than once a turn, right?
LogicNinja
11-04-06, 02:52 AM ...no, I didn't. Wow, that's wrong in and of itself, a Gish Nova.
Wouldn't the "multiple effects, same source" rule prevent that?
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 02:54 AM ...no, I didn't. Wow, that's wrong in and of itself, a Gish Nova.
Wouldn't the "multiple effects, same source" rule prevent that?If it did, Power Attack wouldn't work the way it does.

Although this was really meant to make sure that you're hitting anything you area attack... the damage really does get kinda sick, huh?
LogicNinja
11-04-06, 02:57 AM If it did, Power Attack wouldn't work the way it does.

Although this was really meant to make sure that you're hitting anything you area attack... the damage really does get kinda sick, huh?

...uh, what? Why wouldn't Power Attack work the way it does? You power attack for a flat number of points, it's like picking the spell you want to sacrifice with Arcane Strike. Power Attacking is a free action, but, uh, yeah, if you were to Power Attack for 4 and Power Attack for 2, separately, on the same attack, it wouldn't be the same as Power Attack for 6.

Edit: on the off-chance I'm wrong and Arcane Strike is abuseable as all hell, a level 9 duskblade with 16 INT has 3 level 3 spells, 7 level 2 spells, and 8 level one spells. That makes (1d4 * 8) + (2d4 * 7) + (3d4 * 3) = 8d4 + 14d4 + 9d4 = 31d4 damage, and of course +31 to hit which means you can Power Attack/Power Throw your entire BAB away for +18 more (two-handed weapon).

Edit 2: a level 20 duskblade could do 30d6 + 24d6 + 33d6 + 22d6 + 11d6 = 120d6 by sacrificing all of his spell slots. And getting a +420 to hit, of course.

Edit: given number of spells per day and levels of spells gained, Battle Sorcerer can probably get the most AB/damage out of this Arcane Strike Nova thing...

...which still doesn't work, IMO. Or, if it does, goes into the "no DM would allow this" file.
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 03:17 AM Hmmm, PA isn't worded the way I thought it was.

Still, though, these are all unnamed bonii... although I do think you're right about the "No DM ever allowing..." thing.
LogicNinja
11-04-06, 03:30 AM Still, isn't there a "same effect in different strengths doesn't stack" rule?
PhoenixInferno
11-04-06, 03:35 AM Arcane Strike: ...The bonus you add to your attack rolls from this feat cannot be greater than your base attack bonus.Well, that caps the attack bonus.
TrackStar
11-04-06, 03:47 AM You gotta calm down on the not reading the rules before you post stuff like this.
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 02:45 PM Well, that caps the attack bonus.I always read that as per-activation -- IE, someone with BAB +4 burning four fifth-levels would get a +16 -- but you're probably right.

And TrackStar, if you're going to be a baby about me getting you kicked off the Council, at least confine it to RPM.
RadicalTaoist
11-04-06, 04:13 PM I don't see why any DM would have a problem with multiple Arcane Strikes in a round. Given the stupid broken spells, wouldn't you rather have them channeled into full attacks?

BTW, the most Arcane Strikes come not from a Duskblade but a Cleric/Geomancer - that allows you to drop divine spells into Arcane Strike.
FeceMan
11-04-06, 04:22 PM "Bonii" is not a word.
tsuyoshikentsu
11-04-06, 06:48 PM BTW, the most Arcane Strikes come not from a Duskblade but a Cleric/Geomancer - that allows you to drop divine spells into Arcane Strike.Hm... interesting point. Geomancer does give you some rather cool abilities as well.
Part-Human2
11-04-06, 07:25 PM "Bonii" is not a word.

It should be; "bonii" is cooler than "bonuses."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 02:39 AM	Okay, get this: Any Large Sized Race. Be a Duskblade X/Hulking Hurler 3. Use Area Attack and Arcane Strike to great effect.
LogicNinja 11-04-06, 02:46 AM	Okay, get this: Any Large Sized Race. Be a[anything]/Hulking Hurler 3. Use Area Attack and Arcane Strike to great effect. No, that's okay. As for the trick... well, yeah, it works. But if you're playing a Hulking Hurler, do you really need more damage? Besides, Duskblade 9 (needed to get Arcane Strike) is 9 levels. I'm sure those nine levels could be put to using getting you a lot more extra damage than +3d4.
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 02:49 AM	Besides, Duskblade 9 (needed to get Arcane Strike) is 9 levels. I'm sure those nine levels could be put to using getting you a lot more extra damage than +3d4....You do realize that you can activate AS more than once a turn, right?
LogicNinja 11-04-06, 02:52 AM	...no, I didn't. Wow, that's wrong in and of itself, a Gish Nova. Wouldn't the "multiple effects, same source" rule prevent that?
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 02:54 AM	...no, I didn't. Wow, that's wrong in and of itself, a Gish Nova. Wouldn't the "multiple effects, same source" rule prevent that?If it did, Power Attack wouldn't work the way it does. Although this was really meant to make sure that you're hitting anything you area attack... the damage really does get kinda sick, huh?
LogicNinja 11-04-06, 02:57 AM	If it did, Power Attack wouldn't work the way it does. Although this was really meant to make sure that you're hitting anything you area attack... the damage really does get kinda sick, huh? ...uh, what? Why wouldn't Power Attack work the way it does? You power attack for a flat number of points, it's like picking the spell you want to sacrifice with Arcane Strike. Power Attacking is a free action, but, uh, yeah, if you were to Power Attack for 4 and Power Attack for 2, separately, on the same attack, it wouldn't be the same as Power Attack for 6. Edit: on the off-chance I'm wrong and Arcane Strike is abuseable as all hell, a level 9 duskblade with 16 INT has 3 level 3 spells, 7 level 2 spells, and 8 level one spells. That makes (1d4 * 8) + (2d4 * 7) + (3d4 * 3) = 8d4 + 14d4 + 9d4 = 31d4 damage, and of course +31 to hit which means you can Power Attack/Power Throw your entire BAB away for +18 more (two-handed weapon). Edit 2: a level 20 duskblade could do 30d6 + 24d6 + 33d6 + 22d6 + 11d6 = 120d6 by sacrificing all of his spell slots. And getting a +420 to hit, of course. Edit: given number of spells per day and levels of spells gained, Battle Sorcerer can probably get the most AB/damage out of this Arcane Strike Nova thing... ...which still doesn't work, IMO. Or, if it does, goes into the "no DM would allow this" file.
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 03:17 AM	Hmmm, PA isn't worded the way I thought it was. Still, though, these are all unnamed bonii... although I do think you're right about the "No DM ever allowing..." thing.
LogicNinja 11-04-06, 03:30 AM	Still, isn't there a "same effect in different strengths doesn't stack" rule?
PhoenixInferno 11-04-06, 03:35 AM	Arcane Strike: ...The bonus you add to your attack rolls from this feat cannot be greater than your base attack bonus.Well, that caps the attack bonus.
TrackStar 11-04-06, 03:47 AM	You gotta calm down on the not reading the rules before you post stuff like this.
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 02:45 PM	Well, that caps the attack bonus.I always read that as per-activation -- IE, someone with BAB +4 burning four fifth-levels would get a +16 -- but you're probably right. And TrackStar, if you're going to be a baby about me getting you kicked off the Council, at least confine it to RPM.
RadicalTaoist 11-04-06, 04:13 PM	I don't see why any DM would have a problem with multiple Arcane Strikes in a round. Given the stupid broken spells, wouldn't you rather have them channeled into full attacks? BTW, the most Arcane Strikes come not from a Duskblade but a Cleric/Geomancer - that allows you to drop divine spells into Arcane Strike.
FeceMan 11-04-06, 04:22 PM	"Bonii" is not a word.
tsuyoshikentsu 11-04-06, 06:48 PM	BTW, the most Arcane Strikes come not from a Duskblade but a Cleric/Geomancer - that allows you to drop divine spells into Arcane Strike.Hm... interesting point. Geomancer does give you some rather cool abilities as well.
Part-Human2 11-04-06, 07:25 PM	"Bonii" is not a word. It should be; "bonii" is cooler than "bonuses."