better polymorph (==>better transmutation) [Archive] - Wizards Community

better polymorph (==>better transmutation) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Jayan coeurétoile
11-02-03, 03:55 PM Hello I'm making a sorcerer with polymorph as his best spell. I will probably be a gnome.

It's 3.5

The question is : how can I have a + 1 caster level to change into bigger creatures ? (apart from a ioun stone at 30.000 gp, which I don't have)

Are there feats, prestige classes, cheaper items (+1 just for transmutation) ??? Help !!!
:weep: :tantrum:
Hanniball
11-02-03, 04:06 PM you may be able to use the necklace of prayer beads: karma. it states that in order for one to figure out how to activate it one must cast a divine spell. well after that point she already knows how to activate it and could then pass that knowledge on to another person (i.e. a non-divine spellcaster) and grant that person the ability to activate it and gain the benefits.

may take some convincing...
Jayan coeurétoile
11-02-03, 04:08 PM ok but could you cite your sources ?

and is there something which sound more simple ?
Thanks
Jayan coeurétoile
11-02-03, 04:40 PM sorry but :bump: I really need it
catharz
11-02-03, 04:46 PM Archmage, a single level in a divine spellcasting class for beads of karma, possibly an ankh from Races of faerun (I think, but it might only apply to divine CL), and Red Wizard (transmutation). There might also be a feat in RoF that increases your caster level for polymorph by 1, I'm not sure but there are a lot of feats like that in there. There is also a feat in Ghostwalk that increases your caster level by 1, but it has serious drawbacks.
Hanniball
11-02-03, 04:55 PM k, a bead of karma is in the DMG.

catharz do you think the arcane caster using the bead of karma is plausible?
catharz
11-02-03, 05:15 PM Its pretty iffy, although technically if you get the party cleric to imbue you, you can use it regardless.
RobertPaulson
11-02-03, 08:31 PM I know its just a spell like ability, but if he played a gnome and used his once per day speak with animals ability, would that count?
Balthanon
11-02-03, 09:07 PM Originally posted by Jayan coeurétoile
The question is : how can I have a + 1 caster level to change into bigger creatures ? (apart from a ioun stone at 30.000 gp, which I don't have)

The answer, if you're talking about transforming yourself, is that you can't have +1 caster level to change into a higher hit die creature (or larger technically, but I think the hit dice is what you were talking about). The number of hit dice/character levels you have limits the creatures you can transform into more effectively than your caster levels. If you're an 8th level sorcerer and you get an ioun stone or something to boost your caster level to 9th, you're still limited to 8 HD creatures.

If you're multiclassed, you can take advantage of caster level boosts, but only up to your number of hit dice. (Sor 8/Ftr 4 with a bead of karma for instance would have a limit of 12 HD.)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Jayan coeurétoile 11-02-03, 03:55 PM	Hello I'm making a sorcerer with polymorph as his best spell. I will probably be a gnome. It's 3.5 The question is : how can I have a + 1 caster level to change into bigger creatures ? (apart from a ioun stone at 30.000 gp, which I don't have) Are there feats, prestige classes, cheaper items (+1 just for transmutation) ??? Help !!! :weep: :tantrum:
Hanniball 11-02-03, 04:06 PM	you may be able to use the necklace of prayer beads: karma. it states that in order for one to figure out how to activate it one must cast a divine spell. well after that point she already knows how to activate it and could then pass that knowledge on to another person (i.e. a non-divine spellcaster) and grant that person the ability to activate it and gain the benefits. may take some convincing...
Jayan coeurétoile 11-02-03, 04:08 PM	ok but could you cite your sources ? and is there something which sound more simple ? Thanks
Jayan coeurétoile 11-02-03, 04:40 PM	sorry but :bump: I really need it
catharz 11-02-03, 04:46 PM	Archmage, a single level in a divine spellcasting class for beads of karma, possibly an ankh from Races of faerun (I think, but it might only apply to divine CL), and Red Wizard (transmutation). There might also be a feat in RoF that increases your caster level for polymorph by 1, I'm not sure but there are a lot of feats like that in there. There is also a feat in Ghostwalk that increases your caster level by 1, but it has serious drawbacks.
Hanniball 11-02-03, 04:55 PM	k, a bead of karma is in the DMG. catharz do you think the arcane caster using the bead of karma is plausible?
catharz 11-02-03, 05:15 PM	Its pretty iffy, although technically if you get the party cleric to imbue you, you can use it regardless.
RobertPaulson 11-02-03, 08:31 PM	I know its just a spell like ability, but if he played a gnome and used his once per day speak with animals ability, would that count?
Balthanon 11-02-03, 09:07 PM	Originally posted by Jayan coeurétoile The question is : how can I have a + 1 caster level to change into bigger creatures ? (apart from a ioun stone at 30.000 gp, which I don't have) The answer, if you're talking about transforming yourself, is that you can't have +1 caster level to change into a higher hit die creature (or larger technically, but I think the hit dice is what you were talking about). The number of hit dice/character levels you have limits the creatures you can transform into more effectively than your caster levels. If you're an 8th level sorcerer and you get an ioun stone or something to boost your caster level to 9th, you're still limited to 8 HD creatures. If you're multiclassed, you can take advantage of caster level boosts, but only up to your number of hit dice. (Sor 8/Ftr 4 with a bead of karma for instance would have a limit of 12 HD.)