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PsycoWiLL 04-19-06, 05:10 PM	hi, i need some help on making a really big character in a kinda playable way the goal is getting as big as possible... colossal would fit really nice^^ now the drawbacks: low cash (10k gp) mid lvl (lvl13) no psionics avaiable not many templates avaiable major notes: want to get the biggest possible size want to be that size most of the time OR at will OR as many times per day as possible (at least 3 id say) well, thats pretty much it please post with source name all help will be very much appreciated
Crusher Nate 04-19-06, 05:21 PM	The Wu Jen (Wizard-like base class in Oriental Adventures and the Complete Arcane) is one possibility. It has a spell that increases your size, and I do believe Colossal is an option at higher levels. It'd probably be better to go this route, as it's hard to join the party in town when you're, like, 70 feet tall. If you really want to be that big all the time, though, you might be able to get the spell Permancied. Edit: Or you could go Wu Jen/ Incantatrix instead, and just make it Persistent for all-day bigness. I think the Incantatrix is in the Player's Guide to Faerun.
PsycoWiLL 04-19-06, 05:36 PM	hi nate, ty 4 the help so far, im really considering going the spell-caster way, cuz as you said 70 ft in town draws unecessary attention the persistant way is also nice ^^ i'm also looking 4 feats 4 big chars and nice classes with nice bab and/or saves that can cast some size increasement spells also any items that fit a colossal melee build ? whatever, im collecting any ideas tia WiLL
Crusher Nate 04-19-06, 06:19 PM	I'm afraid I can't help you with much in the way of details right now, Will; I don't have my books at hand. But I do have a couple of vague suggestions: When you're that big, I don't think being a wimpy mage-type will be a problem for you as far as fighting goes. You'll get more than enough of a bonus to hit from your Str increase to make up for low BAB and the size penalty. If you do find yourself having trouble hitting medium and small enemies, just grapple 'em. It's a touch attack. Hey, there's an idea. Enlightened Fist, an arcane-casting Monk PrC in the Complete Arcane. It'd even go well with the flavor of the Wu Jen. A Monk's unarmed strike at colossal size would be pretty scary. I'd recommend taking the Practiced Spellcaster feat (from the same book, I think) if you go that route, as the size you can reach with the spell in question scales with caster level, and you might not reach the level where you can be colossal otherwise. Enlightened Fist won't let you Persist the spell, though, the way an Incantatrix could. That's the one real drawback for this sort of character. But an Incantatrix could take Improved Grapple, come to think of it, and make that your main attack... Yeah, I think I'd recommend going one of these two routes: Wu Jen/ Incantatrix with Improved Grapple, for Persistent size increase or Monk/ Wu Jen/ Enlightened Fist with Practiced Spellcaster, for better fighting capability.
PsycoWiLL 04-19-06, 08:36 PM	thx a lot nate, actually one of my ideas was to possibly go as a colossal monk, but i already have a colossal monk build that is quite awsome, altough it makes use of psionism, and my @#%&$ new gm doesnt allow ^^ i havent tought about enlighted fist, ill give it a try while reading it also came to me a hybrid build that i used to have for a wizcleric of mine, well, you helped a lot actually, cuz i started to remember things ^^ the main problem is i havent been playing for the las 6 or 7 months i think, so, u know, memory is a problem... well, thx alot, anyways ill be still be reading this post, so anyoe who feels like giving any hint will be helping ^^ ty
diphycue 04-19-06, 10:07 PM	Ya can't play a monk/wu jen...alignment conflict.
chicgeek 04-19-06, 10:34 PM	Does your DM allow psionics? If so, I can highly recommend playing a Half Giant (XPH) with Expansion. Racially, you get Powerful Build which allows you to function (for the most part) as a creature one size larger. So, at Medium, you Bull Rush, Grapple, etc, as a Large creature, plus you can wield a weapon one size larger, too. A Large greatsword does 3d6+1.5Str. With Expansion, at LV1 you get to be Large with a Huge weapon; at LV7 you get to be Huge with a Gargantuan weapon. You can wield a pole arm or spiked chain for insane Reach and manifest Bite of the Wolf to threaten everyone close. But I think Huge is the limit, so you can't go Colossal; and if your DM allows Monkey Grip and Powerful Build to stack, then you can wield a Colossal weapon. It kind of is disproportional Str wise because most Huge creature have really high Str and Expansion only boost upto +4 when Huge. But you can augment with Animal Affinity; only another +4, though. And I can speak highly of a Half Giant Barbarian / Psychic Warrior! Add in Charging and you're knocking everyone off the board.
diphycue 04-19-06, 10:44 PM	no psionics avaiable He said it right there.
PsycoWiLL 04-19-06, 10:53 PM	the thing is, i am a great psi-fan, if they were allowed i wouldnt have come here^^ and i staded psionic not avaiable 1 mroe thing, im also looking for polymorfing/shapeshifting/these kinda stuff right now, but imma make a new thread about that ^^
Crusher Nate 04-20-06, 03:17 PM	Ya can't play a monk/wu jen...alignment conflict. Whoops! You're right. I forgot about that "non-lawful" thing. So, the Incantatrix idea is definitely the better of the two options I suggested. ;)
Noria Merfolk Mage 04-20-06, 04:04 PM	There are some ideas in the Godzilla thread in my post. A lot of them use Psionics, but not all. Also, some of the tricks using Druids might not work after the recent errata.
swanyusd 04-20-06, 04:36 PM	Edit: Drat. Stupid alignment restrictions... Would a sorcerer/monk be able to do this with Extra Spell (giant size)?