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BelainDefenderofJerusalem
02-16-07, 01:37 PM im planning on playing a bladesinger in an upcoming campaign. what builds should i go. (we will use the this bladesinger:
BLADESINGER
Hit Die: d8
Entry Requirements
Race: Elf or half-elf.
Base Attack Bonus: +3.
Skills: Balance 2 ranks, Concentration 4 ranks, Perform (sing) 4 ranks, Perform (dance) 2 ranks, Tumble 2 ranks.
Feats: Combat Casting, Combat Expertise, Weapon Focus (longsword, rapier, short sword, or scimitar).
Spells: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells.

Class Features
Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A bladesinger gains no weapon proficiency but does gain proficiency with light armor.

Spellcasting: At each level, except for 1st, 5th, and 10th, a bladesinger gains new spells per day (spells known if applicable) and an increased caster level as if she had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class she belonged to before entering the bladesinger prestige class. She does not gain any other benefit that class would have gained. If the character had more than one arcane class before becoming a bladesinger, she must decide to which class she adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day.

Bladesong Initiate (Ex): Upon becoming a bladesinger, the character chooses one weapon for which she has the Weapon Focus feat used to qualify for the class to become her favored weapon. If a bladesinger has more than one applicable weapon, she must choose one. A bladesinger cannot change her favored weapon once she makes her choice. A bladesinger receives a -2 penalty to attack with all weapons other than her favored weapon.

When wielding her favored weapon in one hand, nothing else in the other, and not using a shield, a bladesinger is in the bladesong stance. A bladesinger must use and benefit from the bladesong stance to gain any benefits from the bladesong and spellsong abilities of the bladesinger class. If the bladesinger wears medium or heavy armor, she loses all benefits of the bladesong stance.

When in the bladesong stance the bladesinger gains a dodge bonus to Armor Class equal to her class level, up to a maximum of her Intelligence bonus.

Spellsong Magic: A bladesinger dedicates herself to mixing magical and martial skill into a harmonious art. As a result, when the character becomes a bladesinger, she must forgo study in two schools of magic. The bladesinger must choose two prohibited schools using the rules in the Player's Handbook. She can never again learn spells from those prohibited schools. If she is already a specialist, she cannot choose the same prohibited schools she chose as a 1st-level spellcaster. She can still use the prohibited spells she knew prior to becoming a bladesinger, including using items that are activated by spell completion or spell trigger.

When a bladesinger uses a spell for any of her spellsong abilities, the spell gains a verbal component. Spells used for spellsong abilities cannot be enhanced by the Silent Spell metamagic feat or have their verbal components otherwise negated or countered, such as under the effects of the silence spell or if the bladesinger cannot speak.

Spellsong of Focus (Ex): A 3rd level bladesinger can take 10 when making a Concentration check to cast defensively when in the bladesong stance.

Bladesong Adept (Ex): When in the bladesong stance, a 5th level bladesinger ignores arcane spell failure chance when wearing light armor. Additionally, she can also use her favored weapon to do piercing or slashing damage, but not both at the same time.

Spellsong of Celerity (Ex): At 6th level, a bladesinger can quicken one spell as part of a full attack when in the bladesong stance. Doing this has no effect on the spell's effective level. A bladesinger must make at least one melee attack in any round in which she uses this ability, and he cannot make an attack with anything other than her favored weapon (although if a spell cast in conjunction with this ability requires an attack roll, she can still make the spell's attack).

A bladesinger can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 1 + her Charisma modifier (if any). A bladesinger gains an additional use of this ability at 9th and 12th level.

Spellsong of Presence (Ex): A bladesinger of 8th level can expend a spell as a standard action to use Perform (Singing) in place of Intimidate for a number of rounds equal to 1+ her Charisma modifier (if any). The bladesinger gains a bonus on Intimidation checks equal to the spell level expended. A bladesinger may only use this ability while in the bladesong stance.

Bladesong Feat: A 10th level bladesinger receives Bladesong Style as a bonus feat. If she already has the Bladesong Style feat, she instead selects any feat that has Bladesong Style, Combat Expertise, or Weapon Focus (bladesinger’s favored weapon) as a prerequisite.

Spellsong of Fury (Ex): At 13th level, when a bladesinger makes a full attack while in her bladesong stance, she can make one additional attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack and each other attack made in that round takes a -2 penalty. This penalty applies for one round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the bladesinger might make before her next action. If the bladesinger makes the full attack using spellsong of fury in the same round she successfully casts a spell using spellsong of celerity, the bladesinger only takes a -1 penalty to all attacks for the round.

Bladesong Master (Ex): A 15th level bladesinger adds her Dexterity bonus to melee damage when in the bladesong stance. She also gains a +2 competence bonus to disarm and trip attempts with her favored weapon.

Class Skills (2+ Int modifier): Balance, Concentration, Craft, Decipher Script, Diplomacy, Jump, Knowledge (arcana), Perform, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, and Tumble.
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Table: The Bladesinger
Level BAB Fort Ref Will Special Spells per Day
1st +1 +0 +2 +2 Bladesong initiate -
2nd +2 +0 +3 +3 - +1 level of existing class
3rd +3 +1 +3 +3 Spellsong of focus +1 level of existing class
4th +4 +1 +4 +4 - +1 level of existing class
5th +5 +1 +4 +4 Bladesong adept -
6th +6 +2 +5 +5 Spellsong of celerity 1/day +1 level of existing class
7th +7 +2 +5 +5 - +1 level of existing class
8th +8 +2 +6 +6 Spellsong of presence +1 level of existing class
9th +9 +3 +6 +6 Spellsong of celerity 2/day +1 level of existing class
10th +10 +3 +7 +7 Bladesong feat -
11th +11 +3 +7 +7 - +1 level of existing class
12th +12 +4 +8 +8 Spellsong of celerity 3/day +1 level of existing class
13th +13 +4 +8 +8 Spellsong of fury +1 level of existing class
14th +14 +5 +9 +9 - +1 level of existing class
15th +15 +5 +9 +9 Bladesong master +1 level of existing class
FriendlyFrog
02-16-07, 02:30 PM With that Bladesinger (which I have to say, is great!), I'd use a Fighter 1/Wizard 4 as a start before the PrC. Take Combat casting as your first level feat, Combat expertise as your Fighter bonus feat and Weapon focus at third level. Then I'd start looking at Power attack and Arcane strike (Complete arcane) after qualifying for the PrC.

If you can use Unearthed arcana, Elf paragon (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/unearthedParagon.html#elf-paragon) 1/Wizard 1/Elf paragon +2/Wizard +1 would be a superior entry, though. You'd get more hit points, +2 Int, Weapon focus as a bonus feat and some more minor bonuses.

What level do you start at? If you'll be mostly playing at higher levels, I think maxing Dex using a rapier with Weapon finesse might be better than having a high Str, because of that Bladesong master ability. But if you don't think the game will last long enough to get it, I wouldn't bother with it, just try to have a good Str.
BelainDefenderofJerusalem
02-17-07, 10:13 AM were starting at 6th level. elf paragon sounds really cool and i think i can get it. and chances are we will play these up to mid epic levels
Innervation
02-17-07, 11:21 AM For some fun int-synergies:
Sun Elf [Forgotten Realms CS or Player's Guide]
Swashbuckler-3/Rogue-2/Assassin-3/UnseenSeer-2[CompleteMage]/BladeSinger++

Gets you int to damage, spells, touch AC, death-attack (I suppose with a 40+ int it almost becomes usable), as well as a solid sneak attack (6d6+) and access to Hunter's Eye[PHBII] from UnseenSeer. End with 17 BAB at 20th, as well.

Feats: Expertise, combatcasting, WF[rapier], dodge, DaringOutlaw [complete scoundrel]

then any of improved expertise, razing strike, tellingblow + improvedcritical[rapier]

The rapier flurry is very cool for the sneak-attack build because it lowers your weapon budget significantly so you can get all those intelligence boosters you want.

I don't really see bladesinger as a class to advance a full-caster, but if you chose to do so elf-paragon wizard is definitely a solid choice.

Edit: oh! your bladesinger doesn't require dodge! you can replace that.

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BelainDefenderofJerusalem 02-16-07, 01:37 PM	im planning on playing a bladesinger in an upcoming campaign. what builds should i go. (we will use the this bladesinger: BLADESINGER Hit Die: d8 Entry Requirements Race: Elf or half-elf. Base Attack Bonus: +3. Skills: Balance 2 ranks, Concentration 4 ranks, Perform (sing) 4 ranks, Perform (dance) 2 ranks, Tumble 2 ranks. Feats: Combat Casting, Combat Expertise, Weapon Focus (longsword, rapier, short sword, or scimitar). Spells: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells. Class Features Weapon and Armor Proficiency: A bladesinger gains no weapon proficiency but does gain proficiency with light armor. Spellcasting: At each level, except for 1st, 5th, and 10th, a bladesinger gains new spells per day (spells known if applicable) and an increased caster level as if she had also gained a level in an arcane spellcasting class she belonged to before entering the bladesinger prestige class. She does not gain any other benefit that class would have gained. If the character had more than one arcane class before becoming a bladesinger, she must decide to which class she adds the new level for purposes of determining spells per day. Bladesong Initiate (Ex): Upon becoming a bladesinger, the character chooses one weapon for which she has the Weapon Focus feat used to qualify for the class to become her favored weapon. If a bladesinger has more than one applicable weapon, she must choose one. A bladesinger cannot change her favored weapon once she makes her choice. A bladesinger receives a -2 penalty to attack with all weapons other than her favored weapon. When wielding her favored weapon in one hand, nothing else in the other, and not using a shield, a bladesinger is in the bladesong stance. A bladesinger must use and benefit from the bladesong stance to gain any benefits from the bladesong and spellsong abilities of the bladesinger class. If the bladesinger wears medium or heavy armor, she loses all benefits of the bladesong stance. When in the bladesong stance the bladesinger gains a dodge bonus to Armor Class equal to her class level, up to a maximum of her Intelligence bonus. Spellsong Magic: A bladesinger dedicates herself to mixing magical and martial skill into a harmonious art. As a result, when the character becomes a bladesinger, she must forgo study in two schools of magic. The bladesinger must choose two prohibited schools using the rules in the Player's Handbook. She can never again learn spells from those prohibited schools. If she is already a specialist, she cannot choose the same prohibited schools she chose as a 1st-level spellcaster. She can still use the prohibited spells she knew prior to becoming a bladesinger, including using items that are activated by spell completion or spell trigger. When a bladesinger uses a spell for any of her spellsong abilities, the spell gains a verbal component. Spells used for spellsong abilities cannot be enhanced by the Silent Spell metamagic feat or have their verbal components otherwise negated or countered, such as under the effects of the silence spell or if the bladesinger cannot speak. Spellsong of Focus (Ex): A 3rd level bladesinger can take 10 when making a Concentration check to cast defensively when in the bladesong stance. Bladesong Adept (Ex): When in the bladesong stance, a 5th level bladesinger ignores arcane spell failure chance when wearing light armor. Additionally, she can also use her favored weapon to do piercing or slashing damage, but not both at the same time. Spellsong of Celerity (Ex): At 6th level, a bladesinger can quicken one spell as part of a full attack when in the bladesong stance. Doing this has no effect on the spell's effective level. A bladesinger must make at least one melee attack in any round in which she uses this ability, and he cannot make an attack with anything other than her favored weapon (although if a spell cast in conjunction with this ability requires an attack roll, she can still make the spell's attack). A bladesinger can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 1 + her Charisma modifier (if any). A bladesinger gains an additional use of this ability at 9th and 12th level. Spellsong of Presence (Ex): A bladesinger of 8th level can expend a spell as a standard action to use Perform (Singing) in place of Intimidate for a number of rounds equal to 1+ her Charisma modifier (if any). The bladesinger gains a bonus on Intimidation checks equal to the spell level expended. A bladesinger may only use this ability while in the bladesong stance. Bladesong Feat: A 10th level bladesinger receives Bladesong Style as a bonus feat. If she already has the Bladesong Style feat, she instead selects any feat that has Bladesong Style, Combat Expertise, or Weapon Focus (bladesinger’s favored weapon) as a prerequisite. Spellsong of Fury (Ex): At 13th level, when a bladesinger makes a full attack while in her bladesong stance, she can make one additional attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack and each other attack made in that round takes a -2 penalty. This penalty applies for one round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the bladesinger might make before her next action. If the bladesinger makes the full attack using spellsong of fury in the same round she successfully casts a spell using spellsong of celerity, the bladesinger only takes a -1 penalty to all attacks for the round. Bladesong Master (Ex): A 15th level bladesinger adds her Dexterity bonus to melee damage when in the bladesong stance. She also gains a +2 competence bonus to disarm and trip attempts with her favored weapon. Class Skills (2+ Int modifier): Balance, Concentration, Craft, Decipher Script, Diplomacy, Jump, Knowledge (arcana), Perform, Sense Motive, Spellcraft, and Tumble. Code: Table: The Bladesinger Level BAB Fort Ref Will Special Spells per Day 1st +1 +0 +2 +2 Bladesong initiate - 2nd +2 +0 +3 +3 - +1 level of existing class 3rd +3 +1 +3 +3 Spellsong of focus +1 level of existing class 4th +4 +1 +4 +4 - +1 level of existing class 5th +5 +1 +4 +4 Bladesong adept - 6th +6 +2 +5 +5 Spellsong of celerity 1/day +1 level of existing class 7th +7 +2 +5 +5 - +1 level of existing class 8th +8 +2 +6 +6 Spellsong of presence +1 level of existing class 9th +9 +3 +6 +6 Spellsong of celerity 2/day +1 level of existing class 10th +10 +3 +7 +7 Bladesong feat - 11th +11 +3 +7 +7 - +1 level of existing class 12th +12 +4 +8 +8 Spellsong of celerity 3/day +1 level of existing class 13th +13 +4 +8 +8 Spellsong of fury +1 level of existing class 14th +14 +5 +9 +9 - +1 level of existing class 15th +15 +5 +9 +9 Bladesong master +1 level of existing class
FriendlyFrog 02-16-07, 02:30 PM	With that Bladesinger (which I have to say, is great!), I'd use a Fighter 1/Wizard 4 as a start before the PrC. Take Combat casting as your first level feat, Combat expertise as your Fighter bonus feat and Weapon focus at third level. Then I'd start looking at Power attack and Arcane strike (Complete arcane) after qualifying for the PrC. If you can use Unearthed arcana, Elf paragon (http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/unearthedParagon.html#elf-paragon) 1/Wizard 1/Elf paragon +2/Wizard +1 would be a superior entry, though. You'd get more hit points, +2 Int, Weapon focus as a bonus feat and some more minor bonuses. What level do you start at? If you'll be mostly playing at higher levels, I think maxing Dex using a rapier with Weapon finesse might be better than having a high Str, because of that Bladesong master ability. But if you don't think the game will last long enough to get it, I wouldn't bother with it, just try to have a good Str.
BelainDefenderofJerusalem 02-17-07, 10:13 AM	were starting at 6th level. elf paragon sounds really cool and i think i can get it. and chances are we will play these up to mid epic levels
Innervation 02-17-07, 11:21 AM	For some fun int-synergies: Sun Elf [Forgotten Realms CS or Player's Guide] Swashbuckler-3/Rogue-2/Assassin-3/UnseenSeer-2[CompleteMage]/BladeSinger++ Gets you int to damage, spells, touch AC, death-attack (I suppose with a 40+ int it almost becomes usable), as well as a solid sneak attack (6d6+) and access to Hunter's Eye[PHBII] from UnseenSeer. End with 17 BAB at 20th, as well. Feats: Expertise, combatcasting, WF[rapier], dodge, DaringOutlaw [complete scoundrel] then any of improved expertise, razing strike, tellingblow + improvedcritical[rapier] The rapier flurry is very cool for the sneak-attack build because it lowers your weapon budget significantly so you can get all those intelligence boosters you want. I don't really see bladesinger as a class to advance a full-caster, but if you chose to do so elf-paragon wizard is definitely a solid choice. Edit: oh! your bladesinger doesn't require dodge! you can replace that.