Blind Character, Combat Oriented [Archive] - Wizards Community

Blind Character, Combat Oriented [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
davethebrave371
10-06-03, 09:05 PM What would you recommend for a character that wants to effectively negate all penalties for being blind. We're doing an ECL 4 game, and he wants to play a 1st level half-celestial Paladin with wings, perhaps eventually being Fighter, though likely staying as a Paladin. He wants wings, but he convinced me to offset the bonus from wings with a penalty from having one hand and being blind. He wants to take Blind Fight, what else is there, and in what books? 3rd party stuff welcome.
JosephKell
10-06-03, 09:27 PM Sword and Fist has a feat that grants 5 ft blindsight... but it requires Wisdom of 19+
catharz
10-06-03, 09:52 PM This seems like a pretty houseruled character allready, why not just make more houserules? If you're allready ignoring LA for reasons easily negated with magic items and spells, C.O. probably isn't the place you should be asking.
davethebrave371
10-06-03, 10:07 PM Originally posted by catharz
This seems like a pretty houseruled character allready, why not just make more houserules? If you're allready ignoring LA for reasons easily negated with magic items and spells, C.O. probably isn't the place you should be asking.

Actually, I was trying to be fairly harsh on this considering my world is fairly low magic. It actually isn't that easy to negate with magic, whether spells or items. I'm not ignoring LA, I'm just taking into account the total of +4, then making it +3 based on the blindness and loss of one hand. I'm doing it as "by the book" as I can.

I kind of figured C.O. was exactly the place to ask in regards to doing the best with what a character has. I'm not sure which C.O. board you've been coming to...although apparently it has the same old grumpy patrons. I was asking a question, and was hoping I wouldn't have to explain something that isn't relevant to my question, and just get answers. It's not very productive to say "I know you have a problem, so why don't you solve it?" Yeah, that's exactly why I posted the question...because I know what to do. Glad to see this board's members helpful as always.

As a side note, what magic items and spells negate blindness (not including ones that cure it completely)? You failed to mention that in your foreknowledge-lacking critique of my DMing skills.
davethebrave371
10-06-03, 10:08 PM Originally posted by JosephKell
Sword and Fist has a feat that grants 5 ft blindsight... but it requires Wisdom of 19+

I heard there was a Blindsight 10 feet somewhere...am I just pulling this out of nowhere, or does such a feat exist (obviously with Blindsight 5 feet as a prereq)?
Boondoggle
10-06-03, 11:13 PM There are PrCs that grant blindsight, have him aim for one of those. The sacred fist might be up his alley.

To fully impose the blindness, if you play with a battle mat, do not let the player see it or where his figure is. Make him do everything with very explicit directions.
catharz
10-06-03, 11:38 PM Originally posted by davethebrave371
As a side note, what magic items and spells negate blindness (not including ones that cure it completely)?

Re-read your first post, my post, and the description of the C.O. board, and then edit your flame so it more accurately reflects reality. I'll be happy to help after that.
davethebrave371
10-07-03, 12:26 AM Originally posted by catharz
Re-read your first post, my post, and the description of the C.O. board, and then edit your flame so it more accurately reflects reality. I'll be happy to help after that.

After following your instructions, I don't see any reason to alter it other than out of politeness. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. And seeing as you don't seem to want to, I'm not sure why you are answering.

If anyone at all would be willing to tell me what magic items and spells negate the effects of blindness without actually removing it, I would most appreciate it.
davethebrave371
10-07-03, 12:33 AM Originally posted by Boondoggle
There are PrCs that grant blindsight, have him aim for one of those. The sacred fist might be up his alley.

To fully impose the blindness, if you play with a battle mat, do not let the player see it or where his figure is. Make him do everything with very explicit directions.

That's actually a really good idea, and Sacred Fist may fit him very well. I'll let him know about those options, he might be interested. Thanks a lot! :D
PhaedrusXY
10-07-03, 01:05 AM There are spells in Savage Species that give Blindsight. Get a permanent item with one of them on it.
Boondoggle
10-07-03, 07:11 AM There's also the disgustingly broken item in A&EG that gives blindsight 30' for 9k gp, but it does obscure any other sight :rolleyes:
rilem
10-07-03, 08:20 AM Sacred Fist would be one of the better options for a blind paladin, as you'll get blindsight at Pal4/SacredFist4. Note, however, that most 3.0 blindsight abilities have been nerfed to blindsense and this one may be as well.

I'm not sure your player will bite on S.F., though, given its tough restrictions. The class isn't really that suited for a flying character anyway. A winged PC should be emphasizing ranged combat, and a Sacred Fist Paladin will pretty much have zero options on that score. Maybe pursue flyby attack?
davethebrave371
10-07-03, 09:50 AM I'll be sure to check out the Arms & Equipment Guide (never picked it up, maybe I should look at doing that) and the Sacred Fist option is definately sounding appealing. And Rilem, he's already planning on taking Flyby Attack. He's focusing on flying feats, but he'd like to be able to engage in melee if his wings were disabled. Also, ranged attacks while blind aren't that effective. But we'll see how this works out! Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help! :bow:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
davethebrave371 10-06-03, 09:05 PM	What would you recommend for a character that wants to effectively negate all penalties for being blind. We're doing an ECL 4 game, and he wants to play a 1st level half-celestial Paladin with wings, perhaps eventually being Fighter, though likely staying as a Paladin. He wants wings, but he convinced me to offset the bonus from wings with a penalty from having one hand and being blind. He wants to take Blind Fight, what else is there, and in what books? 3rd party stuff welcome.
JosephKell 10-06-03, 09:27 PM	Sword and Fist has a feat that grants 5 ft blindsight... but it requires Wisdom of 19+
catharz 10-06-03, 09:52 PM	This seems like a pretty houseruled character allready, why not just make more houserules? If you're allready ignoring LA for reasons easily negated with magic items and spells, C.O. probably isn't the place you should be asking.
davethebrave371 10-06-03, 10:07 PM	Originally posted by catharz This seems like a pretty houseruled character allready, why not just make more houserules? If you're allready ignoring LA for reasons easily negated with magic items and spells, C.O. probably isn't the place you should be asking. Actually, I was trying to be fairly harsh on this considering my world is fairly low magic. It actually isn't that easy to negate with magic, whether spells or items. I'm not ignoring LA, I'm just taking into account the total of +4, then making it +3 based on the blindness and loss of one hand. I'm doing it as "by the book" as I can. I kind of figured C.O. was exactly the place to ask in regards to doing the best with what a character has. I'm not sure which C.O. board you've been coming to...although apparently it has the same old grumpy patrons. I was asking a question, and was hoping I wouldn't have to explain something that isn't relevant to my question, and just get answers. It's not very productive to say "I know you have a problem, so why don't you solve it?" Yeah, that's exactly why I posted the question...because I know what to do. Glad to see this board's members helpful as always. As a side note, what magic items and spells negate blindness (not including ones that cure it completely)? You failed to mention that in your foreknowledge-lacking critique of my DMing skills.
davethebrave371 10-06-03, 10:08 PM	Originally posted by JosephKell Sword and Fist has a feat that grants 5 ft blindsight... but it requires Wisdom of 19+ I heard there was a Blindsight 10 feet somewhere...am I just pulling this out of nowhere, or does such a feat exist (obviously with Blindsight 5 feet as a prereq)?
Boondoggle 10-06-03, 11:13 PM	There are PrCs that grant blindsight, have him aim for one of those. The sacred fist might be up his alley. To fully impose the blindness, if you play with a battle mat, do not let the player see it or where his figure is. Make him do everything with very explicit directions.
catharz 10-06-03, 11:38 PM	Originally posted by davethebrave371 As a side note, what magic items and spells negate blindness (not including ones that cure it completely)? Re-read your first post, my post, and the description of the C.O. board, and then edit your flame so it more accurately reflects reality. I'll be happy to help after that.
davethebrave371 10-07-03, 12:26 AM	Originally posted by catharz Re-read your first post, my post, and the description of the C.O. board, and then edit your flame so it more accurately reflects reality. I'll be happy to help after that. After following your instructions, I don't see any reason to alter it other than out of politeness. You don't have to answer if you don't want to. And seeing as you don't seem to want to, I'm not sure why you are answering. If anyone at all would be willing to tell me what magic items and spells negate the effects of blindness without actually removing it, I would most appreciate it.
davethebrave371 10-07-03, 12:33 AM	Originally posted by Boondoggle There are PrCs that grant blindsight, have him aim for one of those. The sacred fist might be up his alley. To fully impose the blindness, if you play with a battle mat, do not let the player see it or where his figure is. Make him do everything with very explicit directions. That's actually a really good idea, and Sacred Fist may fit him very well. I'll let him know about those options, he might be interested. Thanks a lot! :D
PhaedrusXY 10-07-03, 01:05 AM	There are spells in Savage Species that give Blindsight. Get a permanent item with one of them on it.
Boondoggle 10-07-03, 07:11 AM	There's also the disgustingly broken item in A&EG that gives blindsight 30' for 9k gp, but it does obscure any other sight :rolleyes:
rilem 10-07-03, 08:20 AM	Sacred Fist would be one of the better options for a blind paladin, as you'll get blindsight at Pal4/SacredFist4. Note, however, that most 3.0 blindsight abilities have been nerfed to blindsense and this one may be as well. I'm not sure your player will bite on S.F., though, given its tough restrictions. The class isn't really that suited for a flying character anyway. A winged PC should be emphasizing ranged combat, and a Sacred Fist Paladin will pretty much have zero options on that score. Maybe pursue flyby attack?
davethebrave371 10-07-03, 09:50 AM	I'll be sure to check out the Arms & Equipment Guide (never picked it up, maybe I should look at doing that) and the Sacred Fist option is definately sounding appealing. And Rilem, he's already planning on taking Flyby Attack. He's focusing on flying feats, but he'd like to be able to engage in melee if his wings were disabled. Also, ranged attacks while blind aren't that effective. But we'll see how this works out! Thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help! :bow: