Bloodlines and Outcast Champion [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bloodlines and Outcast Champion [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Yavathol
12-24-06, 09:37 AM Following the realisation that bloodlines levels (Unearthed Arcana) count as levels in all your other classes, I'd just like to note that this trick works for Outcast Champion as well. Kudos to DaveTheMagicWeasel for pointing this out.

So if you had a major bloodline and 5 levels in OC, you would have +8 Will save to every ally in 30' (including yourself) and +8d6 damage Avenging Strike! Nice:D

Sadly, I've looked through a number of books, and most 5 level classes don't have similar abilities that depend on your class level, or explicitly say "at first level, your bonus is +1, increasing to +2 at third level and +3 at fifth level.", which means that bloodline levels would not take the bonus past its normal maximum. However, I did notice Eye of Grumsh would keep getting improved natural armour, and Blinding Spittle, and this might be a nice way to improve Death Attack DCs.

Y.
WombleHunter
12-24-06, 10:52 AM War Weaver lets you put better spells in your Weave.

You can fit in all 10 level of Master Specialist, which would affect some of the School Esoterica (though, of course, you'd then be a wizard less three levels - eugh).
Caelic
12-24-06, 11:37 AM You actually need more than that; you need abilities that explicitly say "Every two levels" or something to that effect. If an ability simply says "+1 at first level, +2 at 3rd level, +3 at 5th level," you cannot extrapolate and assume that it would grant +4 at 7th level for purposes of bloodlines.

The bloodline trick is interesting, but people are trying to make it do more than it actually does.
DaveTheMagicWeasel
12-24-06, 12:09 PM Glad to be of help.

I think Sanctified Mind has a smite-esque ability that gives +1d6/level. It might just be against psionic creatures though. Cyran Avenger does as well iirc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Yavathol 12-24-06, 09:37 AM	Following the realisation that bloodlines levels (Unearthed Arcana) count as levels in all your other classes, I'd just like to note that this trick works for Outcast Champion as well. Kudos to DaveTheMagicWeasel for pointing this out. So if you had a major bloodline and 5 levels in OC, you would have +8 Will save to every ally in 30' (including yourself) and +8d6 damage Avenging Strike! Nice:D Sadly, I've looked through a number of books, and most 5 level classes don't have similar abilities that depend on your class level, or explicitly say "at first level, your bonus is +1, increasing to +2 at third level and +3 at fifth level.", which means that bloodline levels would not take the bonus past its normal maximum. However, I did notice Eye of Grumsh would keep getting improved natural armour, and Blinding Spittle, and this might be a nice way to improve Death Attack DCs. Y.
WombleHunter 12-24-06, 10:52 AM	War Weaver lets you put better spells in your Weave. You can fit in all 10 level of Master Specialist, which would affect some of the School Esoterica (though, of course, you'd then be a wizard less three levels - eugh).
Caelic 12-24-06, 11:37 AM	You actually need more than that; you need abilities that explicitly say "Every two levels" or something to that effect. If an ability simply says "+1 at first level, +2 at 3rd level, +3 at 5th level," you cannot extrapolate and assume that it would grant +4 at 7th level for purposes of bloodlines. The bloodline trick is interesting, but people are trying to make it do more than it actually does.
DaveTheMagicWeasel 12-24-06, 12:09 PM	Glad to be of help. I think Sanctified Mind has a smite-esque ability that gives +1d6/level. It might just be against psionic creatures though. Cyran Avenger does as well iirc.