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Laelenie 02-26-04, 01:20 PM	half elf starting points 32 point buy int 18 cha 18 other 8 Bard Marshall Bloodline demonic Half elf paragon Half elf paragon Bloodline demonic Half elf paragon Human paragon Human paragon Human paragon Disciple of baalzebbul Bloodline demonic Monk Tatooed monk Tatooed monk Tatooed monk +1 level prestige +1 level prestige +1 level prestige Mindbender tatoos: bellflower, white mask cast glibness, activate bellflower first on charisma and then to intelligence then SPEAK skill focus bluff (+3) Bloodline bonus (+2) persuasive (+2) charlatan (+2) Alluring (+2 if you speak) half elf paragon (+2 to charisma skills) circlet of persuasion (+3) White mask tatoo (+10) glibness spell (+30) ranks (+23) mindbender (+6) marshall (+cha: +15) normal skill bonus cha (+15) int bonus disciple balzebul: (+13) TOTAL 126 epic use of bluff (suggestion) to everyone ? HOLY **** !!!!!!!!!
HoshiAdam 02-26-04, 02:07 PM	Well, excluding the alignment change (to become a monk), it looks okay. If you could do it without the alignment change, it would be better. Since Glibness might not work for the suggestion effect, dropping bard for Sorcerer wouldn't be too bad.
Baron Phylos 02-26-04, 02:53 PM	Change the bloodline levels to Devilish, Demonic grants the skill bonus to Move Silently and I really doubt ol' Baalzebul would let some demonic mongrel work for him. ;) And why are you taking 3 levels of bloodline? You only really need one to get the bonuses you want since they're all in the minor bloodline. That gives you 2 more levels to boost that bluff. You could take 2 levels of Vampire savage progression to get another +2 to bluff. Or take more levels of Mindbender to get the level 5 skill boost... if that's possible.
Caelic 02-26-04, 04:59 PM	Well, it's cute and all, but what can you do when you CAN'T bluff an opponent into believing you're in any way a threat? Looks like a one trick pony to me, and it's a trick that can be shut down by a simple Silence spell.
Laelenie 02-26-04, 05:30 PM	Originally posted by Baron Phylos Change the bloodline levels to Devilish, yeah I actually mistyped... I intended the devilish one... And for Caelic: I know this may not be the most playable buildout there, but still it is a viable (and very cool) BBG, weaving his intricated conspirations against the Pcs. ANd a good min/max exercise.
Caelic 02-26-04, 05:53 PM	It's definitely an interesting intellectual exercise, but I'd be very hesitant about actually using it. My immediate question would be: how the heck did this weirdo actually survive to MAKE it to ECL20? For most of his career, he's just not very effective.
CompleteSatori 02-26-04, 05:58 PM	And you cant take both the half-elf paragon levels AND the human paragon.
Master of the Squirrel's 02-26-04, 06:00 PM	Yes you can. Divided ancestory never says you can't fill the rest of your Half-Elf levels as well.
Caelic 02-26-04, 07:18 PM	I suppose you could tack on Detect Thoughts for another +4 to Bluff. I mean, with all those levels, there has to be SOMEWHERE where you actually make it to second level spells, right? Waitaminit...it just hit me. Here we have a bloated incompetent with infernal ties who has no real skills and does nothing except talk others into doing his will. Good gawd, L...you've created the 3.5 Career Politician!
Part-Human2 02-27-04, 03:04 AM	Mindbender PreRequisites of 3rd Level Arcane Spells not met. Mindbender bonus is Competance so is the Circlet's. Glibness is a Bluff bonus but not for every use of the Bluff skill.
Laelenie 02-27-04, 04:46 AM	Originally posted by Part-Human2 Mindbender PreRequisites of 3rd Level Arcane Spells not met. Mindbender bonus is Competance so is the Circlet's. 7th levbel bard cast 3rd level arcane spell. thus prerequisite met. and for the circlet yeah... we have 3 less. 123 bluff still seems nice though.