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drowdude 01-03-05, 05:32 PM	Saw the world record thing, and thought I could prolly whip something up real quick for Bluff :D Four different builds, progressively further from core.... the second build includes psionics, the third includes a couple of things from Dragon, & the fourth build works with some crazy mult-class combos. My goal was to beat the current record without doing alot of inane multiclassing and have it be something someone could actually run with if they REALLY wanted to rock at Bluff checks ;) Human Bard 20 23 Base Ranks +12 Charisma 34 (18+5+5+6) +3 Skill Focus (Bluff) +2 Persuasion +2 Charlatan Song & Silence +2 Cosmopolitan OR Silver Palm Player’s Guide to Faerun +2 Circumstance Nymph’s Kiss Book of Exalted Deeds +3 Obtain Familiar (Snake) Complete Arcane +1 Luck Stone of Good Luck DMG +10 Competence Greater Choker of Eloquence Arms & Equipment +5 Mask of Lies Arms & Equipment +63 Total Bluff Bonus w/o spells +39 Luck Improvisation Song & Silence +10 Enhancement Voice of the Dragon Draconomicon +30 Glibness PHB +144 Total Bluff Bonus w/ spells Human Bard 19/Telepath 1 23 Base Ranks +12 Charisma 34 (18+5+5+6) +3 Skill Focus (Bluff) +2 Persuasion +2 Charlatan Song & Silence +2 Cosmopolitan OR Silver Palm Player’s Guide to Faerun +2 Circumstance Nymph’s Kiss Book of Exalted Deeds +3 Obtain Familiar (Snake) Complete Arcane +3 Psicrystal Affinity (Liar) Expanded Psionics HBK +1 Luck Stone of Good Luck DMG +10 Competence Greater Choker of Eloquence Arms & Equipment +5 Mask of Lies Arms & Equipment +68 Total Bluff Bonus w/o spells +37 Luck Improvisation Song & Silence +10 Enhancement Voice of the Dragon Draconomicon +30 Glibness PHB +4 Attraction Expanded Psionics HBK +149 Total Bluff Bonus w/ spells Cansin Bard 18 / Telepath 1 22 Base Ranks +12 Charisma 35 (18+2+5+4+6) +2 Racial Bonus Cansin, Dragon #297 +1 Dishonest Trait Unearthed Arcana +3 Skill Focus (Bluff) PHB +2 Persuasion PHB +2 Charlatan Song & Silence +2 Cosmopolitan OR Silver Palm Player’s Guide to Faerun +2 Circumstance Nymph’s Kiss Book of Exalted Deeds +3 Obtain Familiar (Snake) Complete Arcane +3 Psicrystal Affinity (Liar) Expanded Psionics HBK +1 Luck Stone of Good Luck DMG +10 Competence Greater Choker of Eloquence Arms & Equipment +5 Mask of Lies Arms & Equipment +70 Total Bluff Bonus w/o spells +35 Luck Improvisation (Bard 5) Song & Silence +10 Enhancement Voice of the Dragon (Bard 4) Draconomicon +30 Glibness (Bard 3) PHB +4 Attraction (Psion 1) Expanded Psionics HBK +18 Insight Serene Visage (Bard 1) Dragon #325 +167 Total Bluff Bonus w/ spells KEERRR-AAAZZI-BUILD Cansin* Bard 16 / Telepath 1 / Warlock 1 / Marshal 1 / Cleric 1 *This also assumes that you bought off the LA via the Unearthed Arcana rules 23 Base Ranks +13 Charisma 36 (18+2+5+5+6) +2 Racial Bonus Cansin, Dragon #297 +13 Motivate Charisma Marshal Aura Miniatures Handbook +2 Mind Domain (also has Trickery) Complete Divine +6 Beguiling Influence Invocation Warlock +1 Dishonest Trait Unearthed Arcana +3 Skill Focus (Bluff) PHB +2 Persuasion PHB +2 Charlatan Song & Silence +2 Cosmopolitan OR Silver Palm Player’s Guide to Faerun +2 Circumstance Nymph’s Kiss Book of Exalted Deeds +3 Obtain Familiar (Snake) Complete Arcane +3 Psicrystal Affinity (Liar) Expanded Psionics HBK +1 Luck Stone of Good Luck DMG +10 Competence Greater Choker of Eloquence Arms & Equipment +5 Mask of Lies Arms & Equipment +93 Total Bluff Bonus w/o spells +31 Luck Improvisation (Bard 5) Song & Silence +10 Enhancement Voice of the Dragon (Bard 4) Draconomicon +30 Glibness (Bard 3) PHB +4 Attraction (Psion 1) Expanded Psionics HBK +16 Insight Serene Visage (Bard 1) Dragon #325 +185 Total Bluff Bonus w/ spells One more level in Bard to hit 21st level in this build, with a Rod of Epic Splendor in hand & Epic Skill Focus (Bluff), you could hit +106 just walking around, or +201 with all your spells up for a given roll… none too shabby ;) Please forgive the formating, I worked it up in word, and dont have the time to fiddle with it too much... edit: Added in the mask of lies to the basic build, and added a 4th quick-work up krazy-multi-class build... edit: Added the bonus from the Greater Choker of Eloquence, Charlatan feat, & made a note on the expansion of the last build into epic levels.
helicopter 01-03-05, 07:02 PM	another good vriation is the 1 level dip into Marshal, for double the charisma bonus.
helicopter 01-03-05, 07:09 PM	Mask of Lies gives +5 unnamed bonus - A&EG book page 134. Ring of Wordtwisting gives +2 insight or +4 if an orc - SavageSpecies page 54 Yondalla's Cape of Halflingkind gives +10 competence with creatures other than Halflings, - Dragon Mag 294 page 79 1 level of Monk than another of Tattoed Monk lets you chose the White Mask tattoo. +10 bonus on bluff in addition to giving immunity to Detect Alignment and Discern Lies. Although it really messes up your build's BAB and makes you have to do alignment changes
Zherog 01-03-05, 09:22 PM	Your luck bonuses from you Stone of Good Luck and Improvisation spell don't stack - you'll need to reduce all your totals by 1. Yeah, not a big deal, but...
drowdude 01-03-05, 10:15 PM	Your luck bonuses from you Stone of Good Luck and Improvisation spell don't stack - you'll need to reduce all your totals by 1. Yeah, not a big deal, but... That is already accounted for. Improvisation gives 2 points per caster level... which I reduced by 1... Good looking out though ;)
drowdude 01-03-05, 10:17 PM	another good vriation is the 1 level dip into Marshal, for double the charisma bonus. I kinda wanted to avoid alot of odd-ball multi-classing, but yeah, there are a few 1 level dips I could do... like 1 level of Warlock for beguiling influence, and stuff like that. I supposed I should do a version that does go that route just to see where it goes though :P
drowdude 01-03-05, 10:20 PM	Mask of Lies gives +5 unnamed bonus - A&EG book page 134. Ring of Wordtwisting gives +2 insight or +4 if an orc - SavageSpecies page 54 Yondalla's Cape of Halflingkind gives +10 competence with creatures other than Halflings, - Dragon Mag 294 page 79 1 level of Monk than another of Tattoed Monk lets you chose the White Mask tattoo. +10 bonus on bluff in addition to giving immunity to Detect Alignment and Discern Lies. Although it really messes up your build's BAB and makes you have to do alignment changes The Mask of Lies fits in well... I knew I was forgetting something from A&EG, but I didnt have the book on hand.... The other 2 items are good additions if you are wanting race specific variants... The monk thing kinda falls into the multi-class trap I was trying to avoid... and keep in mind that every bard level sacrificed to qualify for something like tattooed monk decreases the effect of Improvisation (and Serne Visage if you use that).
Burning Duck 01-04-05, 04:49 AM	+10 competence Choker of Eloquence, Greater A&E p131
drowdude 01-04-05, 08:01 AM	+10 competence Choker of Eloquence, Greater A&E p131 Duh... I was forgetting much apparently, thanks.