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boredom breeds ideas like this [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Johnny_Angel
12-14-06, 04:48 AM I've noticed that there seem to be a few "challenge" threads which challenge the people on the Char-Op boards to make a good build for a set class or combination. If anyone is up to it, I have a challenge:

Create a Bard 10/Monk 10 which is optimized.
All non-campaign specific 3.5 materials are allowed to be used.
The ability scores are as follows: 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 10 - You can put them in any order.

These are the 2 classes I see the most complaints about, so I'd like to see if it's possible to make this into an effective character.
neceros
12-14-06, 04:58 AM Bard10/Monk10

Skills:
Knowledge (Japanese Culture) 23
Commit Seppuku 23
X-Codes
12-14-06, 05:49 AM Erm... regardless of what we come up with it will be nearly impossible to implement in any game because of the restrictions of the two classes... For example, Monk is Lawful Only, while Bard is Non-Lawful Only. Thats just the least of them, too.

The closest you will get is my Sublime Swordsage (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10178720&postcount=424) build, which isn't actually a Monk but rather a Swordsage/Bard multiclass that happens to fight Unarmed.
Serrin
12-14-06, 09:37 AM Monk to bard makes as much sense as Paladin to Blackguard. Yes, they have conflicting requirements, but monks don't lose anything as a result of becoming unlawful, except the ability to continue taking monk levels.
ninjarabbit
12-14-06, 09:57 AM monk2/paladin17/bard1

Key feats: able learner, devoted performer, ascetic knight, initiate of Milil

Unarmed strike damage of a 19th level monk, bardic music abilites and songs per day of a 18th level bard
rilem
12-14-06, 10:12 AM If you're hearing a lot of complaints about the bard you're not hanging around here enough.

But Monk10 is an inherently unoptimal level — you miss out on Greater Flurry and Diamond Body by a single level. Better to go either Monk12/Bard8 or Monk8/Pal2/Bard10 with Ascetic Knight, Devoted Performer and Monastic Training.

Even better would be Overwhelming Attack(UA) Monk8/SoldierofLight2/Bard10 with Ascetic Mage (some benefits of the A.M. feat work even without Sorceror levels).
Feats: Ascetic Mage, Superior Unarmed Strike, Versatile Unarmed Strike, Song of the Heart*, Snowflake Wardance, Power Attack*, Improved Bull Rush*, Improved Overrun*, Divine Might, Extra Turning, Combat Brute, Arcane Strike.

BAB 15, 4th level spells, 2d6 Unarmed Damage (can be slashing) Cha to Saves, AC, To hit (Snowflake Wardance) and damage (Divine Might).

With 16 in Str. and 18 in Cha and Bardic Song +4 (with Inspirational Boost) and the boost from A.M., you'll be throwing attacks at +30 for 2d6+19 damage without items.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Johnny_Angel 12-14-06, 04:48 AM	I've noticed that there seem to be a few "challenge" threads which challenge the people on the Char-Op boards to make a good build for a set class or combination. If anyone is up to it, I have a challenge: Create a Bard 10/Monk 10 which is optimized. All non-campaign specific 3.5 materials are allowed to be used. The ability scores are as follows: 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 10 - You can put them in any order. These are the 2 classes I see the most complaints about, so I'd like to see if it's possible to make this into an effective character.
neceros 12-14-06, 04:58 AM	Bard10/Monk10 Skills: Knowledge (Japanese Culture) 23 Commit Seppuku 23
X-Codes 12-14-06, 05:49 AM	Erm... regardless of what we come up with it will be nearly impossible to implement in any game because of the restrictions of the two classes... For example, Monk is Lawful Only, while Bard is Non-Lawful Only. Thats just the least of them, too. The closest you will get is my Sublime Swordsage (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10178720&postcount=424) build, which isn't actually a Monk but rather a Swordsage/Bard multiclass that happens to fight Unarmed.
Serrin 12-14-06, 09:37 AM	Monk to bard makes as much sense as Paladin to Blackguard. Yes, they have conflicting requirements, but monks don't lose anything as a result of becoming unlawful, except the ability to continue taking monk levels.
ninjarabbit 12-14-06, 09:57 AM	monk2/paladin17/bard1 Key feats: able learner, devoted performer, ascetic knight, initiate of Milil Unarmed strike damage of a 19th level monk, bardic music abilites and songs per day of a 18th level bard
rilem 12-14-06, 10:12 AM	If you're hearing a lot of complaints about the bard you're not hanging around here enough. But Monk10 is an inherently unoptimal level — you miss out on Greater Flurry and Diamond Body by a single level. Better to go either Monk12/Bard8 or Monk8/Pal2/Bard10 with Ascetic Knight, Devoted Performer and Monastic Training. Even better would be Overwhelming Attack(UA) Monk8/SoldierofLight2/Bard10 with Ascetic Mage (some benefits of the A.M. feat work even without Sorceror levels). Feats: Ascetic Mage, Superior Unarmed Strike, Versatile Unarmed Strike, Song of the Heart, Snowflake Wardance, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Improved Overrun, Divine Might, Extra Turning, Combat Brute, Arcane Strike. BAB 15, 4th level spells, 2d6 Unarmed Damage (can be slashing) Cha to Saves, AC, To hit (Snowflake Wardance) and damage (Divine Might). With 16 in Str. and 18 in Cha and Bardic Song +4 (with Inspirational Boost) and the boost from A.M., you'll be throwing attacks at +30 for 2d6+19 damage without items.