Break me Evasive Reflexes [Archive] - Wizards Community

Break me Evasive Reflexes [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TarlSS
12-13-06, 02:31 AM This feat is from Tome of Battle, basically Prerequisite: Dex 13, and instead of an AOO you can take a 5 foot step.

There's GOTTA be something here to break.

I can think of something relatively weak, a mage using a spiked chain or reach weapon untrained, and using it to step away from charging opponents or otherwise.

Can this effectively negate charges?

Discuss!
X-Codes
12-13-06, 02:33 AM The thing that comes to my mind is Skirmish. This 5' movement could count towards the movement you make on your turn.

Also, for low Dex builds it might be useful to take this in place of Combat Reflexes as a pre-requisite for a variety of feats.

Or, on the other hand, maybe it could be useful in the same regard for party Rogues. If they also happen to pick up Robilar's Gambit later in their career, they get to ruin a full attack, especially since Robilar's Gambit allows you to move before the attack roll.
Rashomon
12-13-06, 03:11 AM Note that Evasive Reflexes does not actually consume an AoO, unlike that other stance from Iron Mind/Setting Sun/I forget.

Basically, you will be maddeningly difficult to attack as you break full attack chains with ease.
FriendlyFrog
12-13-06, 04:40 AM Evasive reflexes is amazing for mobility warriors.

Build: Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Psychic warrior 2/Elocater 7/Warblade +8. Important feats: Evasive reflexes, Robilar's gambit (PHBII) and Orien battle stride (Dragonmarked, anyone know the abbreviation for this). Important stance: Press the advantage. Important magic item: Sparring dummy of the master (A&EG).

With this nuild, you can take two 15-foot steps in one round, without provoking attacks of opportunity. Each time someone tries to hit you in melee, you get a 15-foot step, and you can get another one as an immediate action, if someone misses you with a melee or a ranged attack.

Talk about easy mobility!
wolfie-kun
12-13-06, 08:30 AM Evasive reflexes is amazing for mobility warriors.

Build: Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Psychic warrior 2/Elocater 7/Warblade +8. Important feats: Evasive reflexes, Robilar's gambit (PHBII) and Orien battle stride (Dragonmarked, anyone know the abbreviation for this). Important stance: Press the advantage. Important magic item: Sparring dummy of the master (A&EG).

With this nuild, you can take two 15-foot steps in one round, without provoking attacks of opportunity. Each time someone tries to hit you in melee, you get a 15-foot step, and you can get another one as an immediate action, if someone misses you with a melee or a ranged attack.

Talk about easy mobility!
Is the extra 5ft to the step from Orien battle stride?

Anyway, Evasive Reflexes is a really good feat, but it's not all too breakable from what I've seen, or what I've personally done with it. However, it is excellent for a skirmisher who goes late in the round.
foxylady
12-13-06, 08:33 AM Note that Evasive Reflexes does not actually consume an AoO

I don't see how one can persuasively argue that since you didn't actually attack that your opportunity wasn't used up by ER.
Timlagor
12-13-06, 08:52 AM Movemetn for Skirmish resests at the beginning of your turn.
El_Machinae
12-13-06, 08:53 AM Maybe he means that you can still use another AoO in the round, if it's triggered.
FriendlyFrog
12-13-06, 09:05 AM Is the extra 5ft to the step from Orien battle stride?
Sparring dummy of the master and Press the advantage both give +5 ft. Orien battle stride lets you make a 5-foot step as an immediate action when someone misses you in melee of ranged combat.
wolfie-kun
12-13-06, 09:33 AM Sparring dummy of the master and Press the advantage both give +5 ft. Orien battle stride lets you make a 5-foot step as an immediate action when someone misses you in melee of ranged combat.
Press the Advantage gives you a full extra 5ft step whenever you take one. That's why I was asking.
Movemetn for Skirmish resests at the beginning of your turn.
Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else.
FriendlyFrog
12-13-06, 11:26 AM Press the Advantage gives you a full extra 5ft step whenever you take one. That's why I was asking.
Wow, you're right, I was only using the short description on page 50 and didn't read the full manouver! That's even better, all those 15-ft. steps actually become two 10-ft. ones! Mobility rocks!
wolfie-kun
12-13-06, 11:48 AM Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else.
It works just fine:
She deals an extra 1d6 points of damage on all attacks she makes during any round in which she moves at least 10 ft.
No mention of moving on your turn at all.

The description for the AC bonus part is exactly the same.
Timlagor
12-13-06, 02:09 PM Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else.

the Skirmish Resetting thing is in the Errata (or FAQ) entry that also destroyed the mounted archery route.
gparali
12-13-06, 02:37 PM According to CustServ every time you use evasive reflexes you spend
an attack of opportunity, see http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775
Arem_K
12-13-06, 03:06 PM It actually sounds good for a wizard. Take that feat and give him a reach weapon. It does not matter if he is proficient with it or not. When someone comes within melee range they will provoke an AoO, which he can use to get away.
Nanshork
12-13-06, 03:23 PM the Skirmish Resetting thing is in the Errata (or FAQ) entry that also destroyed the mounted archery route.

It says that you only get the bonus if you move ten feet from where you were at the start of your turn. Thus you have to move when it's your turn, so no extra skirmish damage.
wolfie-kun
12-13-06, 04:53 PM It says that you only get the bonus if you move ten feet from where you were at the start of your turn. Thus you have to move when it's your turn, so no extra skirmish damage.
Damn you, errata!! *shakes fist*

Well, there were a few posts about nothing...anyway, it's still a good feat. Just not a good skirmish-based feat. :P
Skeeve
12-13-06, 08:16 PM Damn you, errata!! *shakes fist*

Well, there were a few posts about nothing...anyway, it's still a good feat. Just not a good skirmish-based feat. :P

Well, maybe not on its own, but throw in a good pair of Cyran Gliding Boots (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cw/20061120a) and you've just bought yourself a relatively cheap Full Attack skirmish 3 times a day.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TarlSS 12-13-06, 02:31 AM	This feat is from Tome of Battle, basically Prerequisite: Dex 13, and instead of an AOO you can take a 5 foot step. There's GOTTA be something here to break. I can think of something relatively weak, a mage using a spiked chain or reach weapon untrained, and using it to step away from charging opponents or otherwise. Can this effectively negate charges? Discuss!
X-Codes 12-13-06, 02:33 AM	The thing that comes to my mind is Skirmish. This 5' movement could count towards the movement you make on your turn. Also, for low Dex builds it might be useful to take this in place of Combat Reflexes as a pre-requisite for a variety of feats. Or, on the other hand, maybe it could be useful in the same regard for party Rogues. If they also happen to pick up Robilar's Gambit later in their career, they get to ruin a full attack, especially since Robilar's Gambit allows you to move before the attack roll.
Rashomon 12-13-06, 03:11 AM	Note that Evasive Reflexes does not actually consume an AoO, unlike that other stance from Iron Mind/Setting Sun/I forget. Basically, you will be maddeningly difficult to attack as you break full attack chains with ease.
FriendlyFrog 12-13-06, 04:40 AM	Evasive reflexes is amazing for mobility warriors. Build: Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Psychic warrior 2/Elocater 7/Warblade +8. Important feats: Evasive reflexes, Robilar's gambit (PHBII) and Orien battle stride (Dragonmarked, anyone know the abbreviation for this). Important stance: Press the advantage. Important magic item: Sparring dummy of the master (A&EG). With this nuild, you can take two 15-foot steps in one round, without provoking attacks of opportunity. Each time someone tries to hit you in melee, you get a 15-foot step, and you can get another one as an immediate action, if someone misses you with a melee or a ranged attack. Talk about easy mobility!
wolfie-kun 12-13-06, 08:30 AM	Evasive reflexes is amazing for mobility warriors. Build: Warblade 1/Fighter 2/Psychic warrior 2/Elocater 7/Warblade +8. Important feats: Evasive reflexes, Robilar's gambit (PHBII) and Orien battle stride (Dragonmarked, anyone know the abbreviation for this). Important stance: Press the advantage. Important magic item: Sparring dummy of the master (A&EG). With this nuild, you can take two 15-foot steps in one round, without provoking attacks of opportunity. Each time someone tries to hit you in melee, you get a 15-foot step, and you can get another one as an immediate action, if someone misses you with a melee or a ranged attack. Talk about easy mobility! Is the extra 5ft to the step from Orien battle stride? Anyway, Evasive Reflexes is a really good feat, but it's not all too breakable from what I've seen, or what I've personally done with it. However, it is excellent for a skirmisher who goes late in the round.
foxylady 12-13-06, 08:33 AM	Note that Evasive Reflexes does not actually consume an AoO I don't see how one can persuasively argue that since you didn't actually attack that your opportunity wasn't used up by ER.
Timlagor 12-13-06, 08:52 AM	Movemetn for Skirmish resests at the beginning of your turn.
El_Machinae 12-13-06, 08:53 AM	Maybe he means that you can still use another AoO in the round, if it's triggered.
FriendlyFrog 12-13-06, 09:05 AM	Is the extra 5ft to the step from Orien battle stride? Sparring dummy of the master and Press the advantage both give +5 ft. Orien battle stride lets you make a 5-foot step as an immediate action when someone misses you in melee of ranged combat.
wolfie-kun 12-13-06, 09:33 AM	Sparring dummy of the master and Press the advantage both give +5 ft. Orien battle stride lets you make a 5-foot step as an immediate action when someone misses you in melee of ranged combat. Press the Advantage gives you a full extra 5ft step whenever you take one. That's why I was asking. Movemetn for Skirmish resests at the beginning of your turn. Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else.
FriendlyFrog 12-13-06, 11:26 AM	Press the Advantage gives you a full extra 5ft step whenever you take one. That's why I was asking. Wow, you're right, I was only using the short description on page 50 and didn't read the full manouver! That's even better, all those 15-ft. steps actually become two 10-ft. ones! Mobility rocks!
wolfie-kun 12-13-06, 11:48 AM	Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else. It works just fine: She deals an extra 1d6 points of damage on all attacks she makes during any round in which she moves at least 10 ft. No mention of moving on your turn at all. The description for the AC bonus part is exactly the same.
Timlagor 12-13-06, 02:09 PM	Don't have my books on me, could you quote that just so I can be sure? I'm using that in a build, and if it's a wasted feat for skirmish then I'll get rid of it...the feat slot could certainly go somewhere else. the Skirmish Resetting thing is in the Errata (or FAQ) entry that also destroyed the mounted archery route.
gparali 12-13-06, 02:37 PM	According to CustServ every time you use evasive reflexes you spend an attack of opportunity, see http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775
Arem_K 12-13-06, 03:06 PM	It actually sounds good for a wizard. Take that feat and give him a reach weapon. It does not matter if he is proficient with it or not. When someone comes within melee range they will provoke an AoO, which he can use to get away.
Nanshork 12-13-06, 03:23 PM	the Skirmish Resetting thing is in the Errata (or FAQ) entry that also destroyed the mounted archery route. It says that you only get the bonus if you move ten feet from where you were at the start of your turn. Thus you have to move when it's your turn, so no extra skirmish damage.
wolfie-kun 12-13-06, 04:53 PM	It says that you only get the bonus if you move ten feet from where you were at the start of your turn. Thus you have to move when it's your turn, so no extra skirmish damage. Damn you, errata!! shakes fist Well, there were a few posts about nothing...anyway, it's still a good feat. Just not a good skirmish-based feat. :P
Skeeve 12-13-06, 08:16 PM	Damn you, errata!! shakes fist Well, there were a few posts about nothing...anyway, it's still a good feat. Just not a good skirmish-based feat. :P Well, maybe not on its own, but throw in a good pair of Cyran Gliding Boots (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cw/20061120a) and you've just bought yourself a relatively cheap Full Attack skirmish 3 times a day.