breaking the arcane hierophant [Archive] - Wizards Community

breaking the arcane hierophant [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
pyro_cat
03-20-05, 08:42 PM well

i just bought races of the wild
and took a peek at prestige classes
and immediately found arcane hierophant... can you say overpowered?

so i thought.... lets break it more :D

im fairly new to this optimization stuff, and search is down, so i thought it post here

any suggestions? for ANYTHING... classes, feats, skills, items, spells, wild shapes...

come on guys and gals

i know you can do it
happymoocow
03-20-05, 08:46 PM Overpowered??? I'm confused.
pyro_cat
03-20-05, 09:03 PM well, progression in both divine and arcane spells
wildshape

improved companion familiar... i mean
the best classes are pretty much wizards and druids... this combines them nicely

plus the chanel spell thing, and ignore arcane spell failure, better hit die than other arcane casters, 4 skills per level is more than adequate... decent BAB, and the saves arent abysmal

already very versatile, now i want to make it even more powerful
catharz
03-20-05, 09:18 PM Precocious apprentice is a good place to start, with wizard 1/druid 3/mystic theurge 4/Arcane heirophant 10. Buy a Wildshape amulet from Magic of Faerun.
Oberoni
03-20-05, 09:28 PM already very versatile, now i want to make it even more powerful

Ok, "versatile" does not mean "overpowered."

Two different things.

Having the powers of multiple weaker characters usually means that you are not overpowered. In the Heirophant's case, he has all the powers...of a wizard and a druid at a lower level than he is!

OH NOOOOOOOOOO!

However, if you do want to find some power, I recommend you take catharz's advice. That feat, Precocious Apprentice, gives you a second-level slot at wizard level 1. That means, of course, that a one-level dip into Wizard will be what you need to get into this class.

Giving up one Druid level to gain 11 (or more) wizard levels is definitely closer to "overpowered."
pyro_cat
03-20-05, 09:34 PM ok, ok

well, it already is versatile, now lets make it powerful

how about that?

im a little foggy as to what you can do in wildshape
what happens to your armor, and can you still cast spells while wildshaped?
rilem
03-20-05, 09:53 PM You sound fairly new to Druids. I'd suggest reading the Build FAQ for some basic pointers on using spells with wildshape, etc.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
pyro_cat 03-20-05, 08:42 PM	well i just bought races of the wild and took a peek at prestige classes and immediately found arcane hierophant... can you say overpowered? so i thought.... lets break it more :D im fairly new to this optimization stuff, and search is down, so i thought it post here any suggestions? for ANYTHING... classes, feats, skills, items, spells, wild shapes... come on guys and gals i know you can do it
happymoocow 03-20-05, 08:46 PM	Overpowered??? I'm confused.
pyro_cat 03-20-05, 09:03 PM	well, progression in both divine and arcane spells wildshape improved companion familiar... i mean the best classes are pretty much wizards and druids... this combines them nicely plus the chanel spell thing, and ignore arcane spell failure, better hit die than other arcane casters, 4 skills per level is more than adequate... decent BAB, and the saves arent abysmal already very versatile, now i want to make it even more powerful
catharz 03-20-05, 09:18 PM	Precocious apprentice is a good place to start, with wizard 1/druid 3/mystic theurge 4/Arcane heirophant 10. Buy a Wildshape amulet from Magic of Faerun.
Oberoni 03-20-05, 09:28 PM	already very versatile, now i want to make it even more powerful Ok, "versatile" does not mean "overpowered." Two different things. Having the powers of multiple weaker characters usually means that you are not overpowered. In the Heirophant's case, he has all the powers...of a wizard and a druid at a lower level than he is! OH NOOOOOOOOOO! However, if you do want to find some power, I recommend you take catharz's advice. That feat, Precocious Apprentice, gives you a second-level slot at wizard level 1. That means, of course, that a one-level dip into Wizard will be what you need to get into this class. Giving up one Druid level to gain 11 (or more) wizard levels is definitely closer to "overpowered."
pyro_cat 03-20-05, 09:34 PM	ok, ok well, it already is versatile, now lets make it powerful how about that? im a little foggy as to what you can do in wildshape what happens to your armor, and can you still cast spells while wildshaped?
rilem 03-20-05, 09:53 PM	You sound fairly new to Druids. I'd suggest reading the Build FAQ for some basic pointers on using spells with wildshape, etc.