Broken...Broken...Broken!!! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Broken...Broken...Broken!!! [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Cooconutmaster
10-16-06, 03:16 PM My Dm is the one that says that this class broken i dont want it in my game. then i make a character that surpasses one of his best friends and he said that game session that that class is band from now on...so i got to make a new character.....this is the only gm i ever get to play with so it not like i can switch......so i became a MoMF he said ok.....i got the feat assume natual ablity and was doing good agian....then he said that feat is too broken.....but then agian his friend shifter has it...or he would not be as good as he is
PhoenixInferno
10-16-06, 03:21 PM And...we care because?

What are you looking for? Sympathy? Advice on where to take your character?
Prominence
10-16-06, 03:22 PM ASA is generally broken. It should have never been printed.

If you don't have an optimization question, "What's a Player to Do?" is a better forum for this.

edit: and PhoenixInferno is now officially my favorite forum regular.
Tweedledope
10-16-06, 03:23 PM ASA is generally broken. It should have never been printed.

If you don't have an optimization question, "What's a Player to Do?" is a better forum for this.

edit: and PhoenixInferno is now officially my favorite forum regular.
As is a second grade grammar course...
Cooconutmaster
10-16-06, 03:26 PM Im looking for a character that he wont be able to say something but can keep up with every one.....we use all the core books....all the compete books...if you could help me straiten him out with the brokeness...basicly i want to show im what brokeness is
Prominence
10-16-06, 03:28 PM Druid 20. Please read the posting guidelines. They're in the sticky at the top of the page.

My most powerful build reserved solely for dealing with this is "Player Talk To DM 20." It's where you, the player, talk to the DM about the situation. Revolutionary and strong at all levels.
Garfield
10-16-06, 03:55 PM And...we care because?

What are you looking for? Sympathy? Advice on where to take your character?

And you continue to be an pompos a*****e because....?
Muriqui
10-16-06, 04:00 PM You are doomed
Pallin Rahl
10-16-06, 04:09 PM Broken...Broken...Broken!!!

Marsha... Marsha... Marsha!!!
*stomp foot*

O_o

Wait... that's not very D&D...
Uh...

Marshal... Marshal... Marshal!!! :P
(see your MH for more details ;))
rilem
10-16-06, 04:32 PM And you continue to be an pompos a*****e because....?

Hey, Phoenix helped the OP more than you did. He at least solicited some additional feedback.
Garfield
10-16-06, 04:38 PM if by helped you mean be rude then yeah, ok, and for what you have told me, i bet hes the kind of person that helps at the begining and when hes settled he starts that arrogant atitude. Thats not helping.
carnivore
10-16-06, 04:38 PM just play a Druid 20 or Cleric 20.......or for a Core only game...try this:

Cleric 8/ Loremaster 7/ Thaumaturgist 5.....it will be very strong quickly if you play it correctly

:D
OldManWinter
10-16-06, 04:41 PM Check out the Single Class build thread, (in the sticky) there are a lot of great builds that are within the books that you're allowed to use. if your DM can't deal with that then perhaps he needs to visit the 'What's a DM to do?' forum.
Lilt
10-16-06, 04:53 PM The simple answer is to teach your DM what broken means. By this I don't mean "bring teh uber character of death to the t4b13!!!!!111one". I mean actually teach your DM what is broken and what is not. Show him the infinite loops, show him things that are massively overpowered, and show him the basics of character optimisation (why take X when you coudl have Y?)

Your DM has heard that it is his job to keep broken things out of the game. Unfortunately he does not know what broken means, so he labels anything which is merely powerful as broken. Once you've opened yor DM's eyes to what he actually should be looking out for, you have a far better chance of getting an optimal character through. Also, urge him to ban Assume Supernatural Ability, which is actually broken. If you do that then at-least you show some interest in keeping the game balanced.
carnivore
10-16-06, 04:55 PM heres a real Broken build:

Artificer 20

:D
X-Codes
10-16-06, 05:08 PM if by helped you mean be rude then yeah, ok, and for what you have told me, i bet hes the kind of person that helps at the begining and when hes settled he starts that arrogant atitude. Thats not helping.
One word: Irony.

No wait... that would require that Garfield actually have helped in this thread... PhoenixInferno maintains the posting guidelines of the forum. He has a right to get a little peeved when people don't pay attention to his fine work. (Especially considering how much easier the forum would run should everyone follow the posting guidelines.)

Tell your DM that he should let everyone play the same things. If he lets one guy use a feat and tells another guy that they can't, then leave. If there aren't any more DM's in your area, then theres this little thing called the internet. While these guys are generally picky about spelling and/or grammar (and reasonably so), you can still join games at www.giantitp.com and www.dndonlinegames.com if you must have your D&D fix. The games on these websites often go rather slowly, but you can generally join 3 or 4 active games and occupy yourself for ~1 hour a day with D&D goodness.
Tleilaxu_Ghola
10-16-06, 05:24 PM Actually, according to the announcement:
Running down a new poster who asks a question in an un-optimized format is a warnable offense.
PhoenixInferno, for all his good intent, actually is violating the announcement rules. Being a regular does not make him above the "law" as it were.

Now I know I'm not the paragon of posting, and I freely admit that. So please don't think I'm a hypocritical ass. All I'm saying is that no one has the "right" to demand a certain posting format and no one has the "right" to be rude.
WizO_Autumn
10-16-06, 06:08 PM T_G took the words out of my mouth.

There is no need to be rude to someone obviously unfamiliar with the posting formats/ policies.

That being said- this thread is off topic. There isn't an optimization question in it, and thus will be *locked*

Try the What's a PC to do board, as suggested. Good luck!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cooconutmaster 10-16-06, 03:16 PM	My Dm is the one that says that this class broken i dont want it in my game. then i make a character that surpasses one of his best friends and he said that game session that that class is band from now on...so i got to make a new character.....this is the only gm i ever get to play with so it not like i can switch......so i became a MoMF he said ok.....i got the feat assume natual ablity and was doing good agian....then he said that feat is too broken.....but then agian his friend shifter has it...or he would not be as good as he is
PhoenixInferno 10-16-06, 03:21 PM	And...we care because? What are you looking for? Sympathy? Advice on where to take your character?
Prominence 10-16-06, 03:22 PM	ASA is generally broken. It should have never been printed. If you don't have an optimization question, "What's a Player to Do?" is a better forum for this. edit: and PhoenixInferno is now officially my favorite forum regular.
Tweedledope 10-16-06, 03:23 PM	ASA is generally broken. It should have never been printed. If you don't have an optimization question, "What's a Player to Do?" is a better forum for this. edit: and PhoenixInferno is now officially my favorite forum regular. As is a second grade grammar course...
Cooconutmaster 10-16-06, 03:26 PM	Im looking for a character that he wont be able to say something but can keep up with every one.....we use all the core books....all the compete books...if you could help me straiten him out with the brokeness...basicly i want to show im what brokeness is
Prominence 10-16-06, 03:28 PM	Druid 20. Please read the posting guidelines. They're in the sticky at the top of the page. My most powerful build reserved solely for dealing with this is "Player Talk To DM 20." It's where you, the player, talk to the DM about the situation. Revolutionary and strong at all levels.
Garfield 10-16-06, 03:55 PM	And...we care because? What are you looking for? Sympathy? Advice on where to take your character? And you continue to be an pompos a*****e because....?
Muriqui 10-16-06, 04:00 PM	You are doomed
Pallin Rahl 10-16-06, 04:09 PM	Broken...Broken...Broken!!! Marsha... Marsha... Marsha!!! stomp foot O_o Wait... that's not very D&D... Uh... Marshal... Marshal... Marshal!!! :P (see your MH for more details ;))
rilem 10-16-06, 04:32 PM	And you continue to be an pompos a*****e because....? Hey, Phoenix helped the OP more than you did. He at least solicited some additional feedback.
Garfield 10-16-06, 04:38 PM	if by helped you mean be rude then yeah, ok, and for what you have told me, i bet hes the kind of person that helps at the begining and when hes settled he starts that arrogant atitude. Thats not helping.
carnivore 10-16-06, 04:38 PM	just play a Druid 20 or Cleric 20.......or for a Core only game...try this: Cleric 8/ Loremaster 7/ Thaumaturgist 5.....it will be very strong quickly if you play it correctly :D
OldManWinter 10-16-06, 04:41 PM	Check out the Single Class build thread, (in the sticky) there are a lot of great builds that are within the books that you're allowed to use. if your DM can't deal with that then perhaps he needs to visit the 'What's a DM to do?' forum.
Lilt 10-16-06, 04:53 PM	The simple answer is to teach your DM what broken means. By this I don't mean "bring teh uber character of death to the t4b13!!!!!111one". I mean actually teach your DM what is broken and what is not. Show him the infinite loops, show him things that are massively overpowered, and show him the basics of character optimisation (why take X when you coudl have Y?) Your DM has heard that it is his job to keep broken things out of the game. Unfortunately he does not know what broken means, so he labels anything which is merely powerful as broken. Once you've opened yor DM's eyes to what he actually should be looking out for, you have a far better chance of getting an optimal character through. Also, urge him to ban Assume Supernatural Ability, which is actually broken. If you do that then at-least you show some interest in keeping the game balanced.
carnivore 10-16-06, 04:55 PM	heres a real Broken build: Artificer 20 :D
X-Codes 10-16-06, 05:08 PM	if by helped you mean be rude then yeah, ok, and for what you have told me, i bet hes the kind of person that helps at the begining and when hes settled he starts that arrogant atitude. Thats not helping. One word: Irony. No wait... that would require that Garfield actually have helped in this thread... PhoenixInferno maintains the posting guidelines of the forum. He has a right to get a little peeved when people don't pay attention to his fine work. (Especially considering how much easier the forum would run should everyone follow the posting guidelines.) Tell your DM that he should let everyone play the same things. If he lets one guy use a feat and tells another guy that they can't, then leave. If there aren't any more DM's in your area, then theres this little thing called the internet. While these guys are generally picky about spelling and/or grammar (and reasonably so), you can still join games at www.giantitp.com and www.dndonlinegames.com if you must have your D&D fix. The games on these websites often go rather slowly, but you can generally join 3 or 4 active games and occupy yourself for ~1 hour a day with D&D goodness.
Tleilaxu_Ghola 10-16-06, 05:24 PM	Actually, according to the announcement: Running down a new poster who asks a question in an un-optimized format is a warnable offense. PhoenixInferno, for all his good intent, actually is violating the announcement rules. Being a regular does not make him above the "law" as it were. Now I know I'm not the paragon of posting, and I freely admit that. So please don't think I'm a hypocritical ass. All I'm saying is that no one has the "right" to demand a certain posting format and no one has the "right" to be rude.
WizO_Autumn 10-16-06, 06:08 PM	T_G took the words out of my mouth. There is no need to be rude to someone obviously unfamiliar with the posting formats/ policies. That being said- this thread is off topic. There isn't an optimization question in it, and thus will be locked Try the What's a PC to do board, as suggested. Good luck!