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Valgaav 06-15-05, 05:23 AM	Here's a challenge for all of you Master Optimizers out there: Build Me A Build: With as many feats as you can! It doesn't have to be an 'open' feat slot, so things like the Ranger's Track would still count, but there is one limit: You can only use the Core books and Complete books. Ready? Go!
Hochi-min trail 06-15-05, 05:40 AM	wouldn't something like a human fighter10/ranger1 (that's when you get your first combat style?)/xxx do the trick? at level 11 i have 13 feats. More than one per level.
Neff 06-15-05, 06:22 AM	I came up with this: Human VoP Fighter 2/Psychic Warrior 2/Monk 2/Bonus Feat Rogue from UA 2/Wizard 1/Ranger 3/Cleric of St. Cuthbert 1 (War and Undeath domains)/Contemplative 1 (Darkness domain)/Hospitaler 1/Iaijutsu Master 1/Kishi Charger 1/Singh Rager 1/Sword of Righteousness 3 7 - level 20 10 - VoP bonus feats 1 - human bonus feat 2 - fighter bonus feats 2 - psychic warrior bonus feats 2 - rogue bonus feats 3 - monk bonus feats (including Improved Unarmed Strike) 1 - wizard bonus feat (Scribe Scroll) 3 - ranger bonus feats (Track, Endurance, combat style feat) 2 - cleric bonus feats (Weapon Focus and Extra Turning) 1 - darkness domain feat (Blind-Fight) 1 - hospitaler bonus feat 1 - iaijutsu master bonus feat (Weapon Finesse) 1 - kishi charger bonus feat (Combat Expertise) 1 - singh rager bonus feat (Greater Ki Shout) 3 - sword of righteousness bonus feats Total: 41 Then I read that it's core and Complete only. :weep:
Valgaav 06-15-05, 06:55 AM	Then I read that it's core and Complete only. :weep: You showed you were thinking! the reason I limited it like that is so that I can check the math; the only book I have other than those is Unearthed Arcana, and the DM isn't allowing Flaws, only Traits.
Neff 06-15-05, 06:59 AM	*slaps forehead* Flaws! Of course! How could I forget those? *slaps forehead again* All right, I'll get crackin' on another build.
Neff 06-15-05, 07:18 AM	Okay, here's another one. I stuck with most of the same stuff I used in the previous build. Human Fighter 8/Monk 2/Wizard 1/Ranger 3/Cleric 1/Contemplative 1/Hospitaler 1/Master Thrower 1/Reaping Mauler 1/Dread Pirate 1 7 – level 20 character 1 – human bonus feat 5 – fighter bonus feats 3 – monk bonus feats (Improved Unarmed Strike, Stunning Fist, Combat Reflexes) 1 – wizard bonus feat (Scribe Scroll) 3 – ranger bonus feats (Endurance, Track, Rapid Shot) 2 - cleric domain bonus feats (Weapon Focus, Extra Turning) 1 – darkness domain (Blind-Fight) 1 – hospitaler bonus feat 1 – master thrower bonus feat (Quick Draw) 2 – reaping mauler bonus feats (Improved Grapple, Mobility) 1 – dread pirate bonus feat (Two-Weapon Fighting) Total: 28
Valgaav 06-15-05, 07:34 AM	:king: We might have a winnah! :thinks: can anyone come up with a better build? :plotting: or is that it?
Squirrelloid 06-15-05, 08:53 AM	I honestly don't think its possible to beat that... he pulled every dirty trick i was going to pull! But seriously, its easy to check. Are there any more dippable 1st levels that give you a feat? If there is more than 1, the F8 isnt optimal. Everything else nets him at least 1 feat/level. I have this feeling thats it.
MagicHero 06-15-05, 11:41 AM	I think the Swashbuckler from the Complete Warrior gets Weapon Finesse at first level. And the Maester from the Complete Adventurer gets you a bonus item creation feat at first level. Hope that helps.
Lioc 06-15-05, 01:37 PM	Here is a build with 38. (Uses UA, for Bar and Monk, but should work with standard Barb and Monk) Obviously this guy has a few alignment conflics, but that is probably something to do with number of feats he's had to learn... Although lots of open feats are listed, many would be fixed to meet entry requirements of the various classes... This isn't the max either, could take out a level of fighter and a level of marshal, replace with 2 levels of ranger and gain a few extra, other fixes would add more as well. Barbarian (Wolf), Fast Movement, (Bonus Feat), (Bonus Feat), Rage Barbarian (Wolf), Improved Trip Fighter, (Bonus Feat), (Bonus Feat) Fighter, (Bonus Feat) Monk (Cobra Strike), Dodge, Flurry, Improved Unarmed Strike Monk (Cobra Strike), Evasion, Mobility, (Bonus Feat) Marshal, Skill Focus (Diplomacy), Minor Aura Marshal, Major Aura Tactical Soldier, Flanker, (Bonus Feat) Tactical Soldier, Sidestep Swashbuckler, Weapon Finesse Swashbuckler, Grace +1, (Bonus Feat) Occult Slayer, Magical Defense +1, Weapon Bond Occult Slayer, Vicious Strike, Mind over magic 1/day Hexblade, Hexblade Curse 1/day, (Bonus Feat) Hexblade, Arcane Resistance Hexblade, Mettle Dervish, Dervish Dance / 1 Day, Movement Mastery, Slashing Blades, (Bonus Feat) Dervish, Fast Movement +5ft Dervish, Spring Attack, Dervish Dance / 2 Day
Valgaav 06-16-05, 07:25 PM	Okay, optimizers: we went shopping today, so there's less restriction: New Books you can use are Sandstorm BoVD BoED Libris Mortis still no flaws, though. :(
DisposableHero_ 06-16-05, 08:18 PM	Soul Knife from XPH in the SRD gets wild talent and Weapon Focus (Mind Blade) at level 1, so slipping that into some of these would up the feat count a little
aelryinth 06-17-05, 03:34 AM	Artificers get tons of bonus feats at first level. Um, human paragon, the no spellcasting variant? Bonus feats in place of spellcasting levels, I believe. ==Aelryinth