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strontium 11-10-04, 09:43 PM	Ok, here's the challenge.. Build the biggest baddest melee killing machine using the following details. Character level - 11 No more that 3 classes Race Human, dwarf, hafling, or elf Character is base 3.5, but can use 3.0 class/feat if there is no 3.5 version available Character may not be any evil alignment Dwarves& halflings cannot join prestige classes which use memorised arcane (wizard/sorcerer) spells. Sourcebooks allowed: Core Rule books, Manual of the Planes, Deities and Demigods, Stronghold Builder's Guide, Book of Vile Darkness, Book of Exalted Deeds, Fiend Folio, Monster Manual II, Defenders of the Faith, Tome and Blood, Song and Silence, Masters of the Wild, Arms and Equipment Guide, Complete Warrior, Complete Divine, Planar Handbook, Book of Eldritch Might Character Generation The method used for character generation is the point buy system for high-powered campaigns on p.169 of the DMG (32 points, costs as per table below). Ability Score Point Cost Ability Score Point Cost 9 1 14 6 10 2 15 8 11 3 16 10 12 4 17 13 13 5 18 16 Allowed Prestige Classes: Church Inquisitor (Defenders of the Faith) Divine Oracle (Defenders of the Faith) Holy Liberator (Defenders of the Faith) Master of Shrouds (Defenders of the Faith) Followers of Doldastrun Templar (Defenders of the Faith) Bear Warrior (Complete Warrior) Bladesinger (Complete Warrior) Cavalier (Complete Warrior) Dark Hunter (Complete Warrior) Darkwood Stalker (Complete Warrior) Dervish (Complete Warrior) Wilderness tribes only Drunken Master (Complete Warrior) Exotic Weapon Master (Complete Warrior) Frenzied Berserker (Complete Warrior) Gnome Giant-slayer (Complete Warrior) Halfling Outrider (Complete Warrior) Hunter of the Dead (Complete Warrior) Invisible Blade (Complete Warrior) Knight of the Chalice (Complete Warrior) Knight Protector (Complete Warrior) Master Thrower (Complete Warrior) Master of the Unseen Hand (Complete Warrior) Nature's Warrior (Complete Warrior) Occult Slayer (Complete Warrior) Order of the Bow Initiate (Complete Warrior) Rage Mage (Complete Warrior) Ravager (Complete Warrior) Followers of Moldarle Reaping Mauler (Complete Warrior) Stonelord (Complete Warrior) Spellsword (Complete Warrior) Tattooed Monk (Complete Warrior) Warchanter (Complete Warrior) Warshaper (Complete Warrior) Acolyte of the Skin (Tome and Blood) Alienist (Tome and Blood) Blood Magus (Tome and Blood) Elemental Savant (Tome and Blood) Mage of the Arcane Order (Tome and Blood) Pale Master (Tome and Blood) True Necromancer (Tome and Blood) Wayfarer Guide (Tome and Blood) Arcane Archer (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Arcane Trickster (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Archmage (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Assassin (Dungeon Master’s Guide) Followers of Poltis Blackguard (Dungeon Master’s Guide) Duelist (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Dwarven Defender (Dungeon Master’s Guide) Eldritch Knight (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Hierophant (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Horizon Walker (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Loremaster (Dungeon Master’s Guide) Followers of Itaal Mystic Theurge (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Shadowdancer (Dungeon Master’s Guide) Thaumaturgist (Dungeon Masters’ Guide) Dread Pirate (Song and Silence) Dungeon Delver (Song and Silence) Fang of Lolth (Song and Silence) Outlaw of the Crimson Road (Song and Silence) Royal Explorer (Song and Silence) Spymaster (Song and Silence) Temple Raider of Olidammara (Song and Silence) Thief-acrobat (Song and Silence) Virtuoso (Song and Silence) Ember Mage (Book of Eldritch Might) Graven One (Book of Eldritch Might) Mirror Master (Book of Eldritch Might) Animal Lord (Masters of the Wild) Blighter (Masters of the Wild) Bloodhound (Masters of the Wild) Deepwood Sniper (Masters of the Wild) Forsaker (Masters of the Wild) Geomancer (Masters of the Wild) King/Queen of the Wild (Masters of the Wild) Ooze Master (Masters of the Wild) Shifter (Masters of the Wild) Tamer of Beasts (Masters of the Wild) Tempest (Masters of the Wild) Verdant Lord (Masters of the Wild) Windrider (Masters of the Wild) All equipment specified in the PHB and class supplements is available. Standard starting money for 11th level. And aawwwaayyyyy you go! :D
nihility 11-10-04, 09:47 PM	Groo? Do you mean "grue," or is this something else?
ZeroEffect 11-10-04, 09:56 PM	You should take a shot at it yourself if you want us to contribute. Groo, the silly comic hero who mistakenly slays everything in sight, would probably be either a rage build or a TWF build (or even a combination of the two). 1. Do a search for frenzied berserker and dervish builds on this board. 2. Find the one that does the most damage possible. 3. You have Groo. Not a particulary difficult concept to optimize, and certainly something that has been done a hundred times before. He's human. He has extremely low intelligence and wisdom, allowing you to dump all your points into strength.
PhaedrusXY 11-10-04, 10:23 PM	who mistakenly slays everything in sightYep, sounds like a frenzied berzerker to me. :P
strontium 11-10-04, 10:37 PM	Cool, when i get home i'll take a stab at it with the books i have (core books and complete warrior). :D Was interested to see if anyone was keen to have a go is all. I've seen a couple of posts mention frenzied bezerker but when i searched for it got lotsa bump that refers to the class without any serious full builds. And yeah, for those that dont know, Groo was a cartoon barbarian 'hero', dumb as a post but lethal, terminally accident prone, who weilds what i assume is a pair of katanas with legendary skill. The cartoon was created by Sergio Aragonés and was great fun. :)
Xaos of the Mind 11-10-04, 10:43 PM	You should take a shot at it yourself if you want us to contribute. Not too many people are very keen on that idea, I suppose. They just want the experts to do it for them. Also, why is the TB version of True Necromancer used instead of the CD version? But yes, definitely sounds like a Frenzied Berserker.
ZeroEffect 11-11-04, 02:37 AM	Here's my shot at it. He's a two-weapon fighter who wears light armor. Ranger 6 for improved weapon style. Favored enemy should be human. Horizon Walker 1 for the immunity to fatigue. Fighter 2 for the feats. Barbarian 1/ Fighter 2/ Ranger 6/ Horizon Walker 1/ Frenzied Berserker 10 :eek:
LordKiwi 11-11-04, 04:23 AM	Character level - 11 No more that 3 classes Given these restrictions about the best I can think of is.... Human Fighter 2 / Barbarian 4 / Frenzied Berserker 5 H: Power Attack F1: Cleave 1: Intimidating Rage F2: Improved Bullrush 3: Destructive Rage 6: Shock Trooper 9: Great Cleave Use a greatsword (or similar). Charge w. deathless frenzy + rage + max powerattack (+33 damage, -11 AC [shock trooper]). Without access to Faerun, UA and Races of Stone that's the best I can do. With those three books you can add extra scary things into the build. If you can get access to those books you want something like... Human Fighter 4 / Barbarian (Wolf Totem) 2 / Frenzied Berserker 5 H: Jorgunbroud (can't remember the spelling) F1: Power Attack 1: Intimidating Rage F2: Cleave 3: Destructive Rage F4: Improved Bullrush 6: Shock Trooper B2: Improved Trip 9: Knockback Then you can charge, do +33 damage, then knockback, then (assuming you hit them into someone) trip both people, then attack both people. Then all you need is Pounce.... .... item with Lion's charge spell in it. Lord Kiwi,
Xeraph 11-11-04, 06:38 AM	Shocktrooper.... awwwww blend in some Banzai Charge...pleeeaaasssee!!! (Ronin abbility, Complete Warrior)
LordKiwi 11-11-04, 07:04 AM	Shocktrooper.... awwwww blend in some Banzai Charge...pleeeaaasssee!!! (Ronin abbility, Complete Warrior) Just read the Ronin and it seems a rather powerful two level dip class. Unfortunatly this character seems restricted to three classes and 11 levels. Improved power attack from FB is better than Banzai charge when combined with Shock Trooper. If he can take more classes later then get EWP(Bastard Sword) at lvl 12 then go into Ronin for +(4 x BAB) damage on a charge. Then again, you could get the same benefit at less penalty from just finishing Frenzied Berserker, which would take 2 more levels. Maybe take Ronin after FB is complete. Fght 4 / Barb 2 / FB 10 / Ronin 2 / Exotic Weapon Master 2 Then you can Trip with a Bastard Sword and do Strength x2 damage when wielding it, in addition to all the other crazy charging stuff. -40 AC +100 damage on a charge :D Lord Kiwi,
carnivore 11-11-04, 07:36 AM	just so everyone knows: Groo is a 2weapon fighter, uses 2 katanas wears virtually no armor must have Whirlwind attack i think LordKiwi is close with his Fighter 2 / Barbarian 4 / Frenzied Berserker 5 but the feats are wrong still, looks good if you make the adjustments :D
LordKiwi 11-11-04, 08:00 AM	just so everyone knows: Groo is a 2weapon fighter, uses 2 katanas .... i think LordKiwi is close with his Fighter 2 / Barbarian 4 / Frenzied Berserker 5 but the feats are wrong ..... The problem being that neither Whirlwind Attack, TWF or Frenzied Berzerker stack optimaly. Also you need far too many feats to squeeze into 11 levels. Still, how about... Fighter 6 / Barbarian 5 H: Power Attack F1: Cleave 1: Dodge F2: Mobility 3: Spring Attack F4: Combat Expertise 6: EWP: Bastard Sword F6: Two Weapon Fighting 9: Whirlwind Attack Whirlwind attack is also sub-optimal when used with TWF and TWF with two normal weapons (not light) suffers further still. This seems to be the build for the concept but it's not great. Better build would possably be a Barbarian/Fighter/Dervish, but maybe not even then. Lord Kiwi,
carnivore 11-11-04, 08:04 AM	yes LordKiwi, you are correct , it may not be optomized but it is Groo :D
Skrimshaw 11-15-04, 04:52 PM	Sergio Aregone's groo??
carnivore 11-15-04, 05:46 PM	yes :D
mycroft65536 11-15-04, 07:29 PM	Goliath Ranger2/barb3/FB4/EWM1 Duel wield katanas, recklass rage and mountain ragegets you loads of str. Hmm... goliath ranger2/swash3/barb2/FB10/EWM2 This requires int(might be a hidden trait he likes people to think him dumb), but i think it could be fun.