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Aznar Thrul 01-31-05, 08:05 PM	hey i got a wizard 5/incantator 10/archmage 3 i want him to be a specialist of force spell, and are there any class except the argent savant who specialize in force but my primary question is im sure(i think) i saw somewhere a metamagic feat that change the element of a spell into force, dont remember the book tought... thx
solbergb 01-31-05, 10:40 PM	No, but the force spells make a pretty good collection of abilities for a sorcerer, mixing attack, defense, battlefield control and utility. eg: L1 Mage armor, shield, magic missile, tenser's disc L2 L3 Leomund's hut (invisibility sorta, endure elements sorta) explosive runes, improved mage armor L4 Ottiluke's sphere, force orb L5 Wall of force L6 Disintegrate (you can create and destroy forces) L7 bigby grasping hand, mord sword, forcecage L8 telekenetic sphere Most telekenetic effects fit the force idea too, allowing you to mix in stuff like sudden fly (or fly or overland flight or levitate), telekenesis, evard's tentacles, truestrike, guided shot and similar effects. Argent master is the only PRC I'm aware of that does anything specifically with force effects, and it really doesn't do much for you until the last level...I don't like losing a caster level for what it does, but opinions vary.
Aznar Thrul 01-31-05, 10:49 PM	well ok i will see with my DM if i could create a metamagic feats that transform spell into force spell. Argent master is the only PRC I'm aware of that does anything specifically with force effects, and it really doesn't do much for you until the last level...I don't like losing a caster level for what it does, but opinions vary. im thinkin a litlle bit for argent master i like being master of force spell and metamagic(incantator) and as for my archmage level i dont know if i should take more or less, i have mastery of shapin element and counterspell thx
paradoxmage 01-31-05, 11:48 PM	Is there a specific reason you want to specialize in force spells? Is it because you just do. Is it because you want to affect etheral/incorporal? Force is concidered more powerfull than an energy type, since there is no resistance. Also because there is no miss chance ve etheral/incorp. So makeing a metamagic feat that changes energy into force should increase the level at least 3 (IMO). If you want this just to affect incorp/etheral than you can take metamagic (transdimentional) from complete arcane.
grey muse 02-01-05, 01:00 AM	There's a PrC in the most recent Dragon that specifically focuses on force missles (e.g., magic missle.) Unfortunately, it also loses a caster level. You might see if your DM would let you combine the two into a single. 10 level PrC that loses one caster level. grey muse
Part-Human2 02-01-05, 02:02 AM	I'm sure there is a feat also, but I couldn't find it tonight. There is a Force Weapon enchantment on WotC at [drat, lost the link, i'll post here and hope i don't get sued] Force Weapon Property: On a successful hit, a force weapon emits a powerful jolt of magical force. The magical force does not harm the weapon's wielder. Force weapons deal +1d6 points of force damage on a successful hit. If the weapon successfully hits a target protected by a force effect, such as a shield spell or bracers of armor, it might dispel the force effect in addition to damaging the target. Make a dispel check (1d20+10) against the effect (DC 11 + caster level). If the check succeeds, the force effect is dispelled (if a spell) or suppressed for 1d4 rounds (if a magic item). Ranged weapons bestow this property on their ammunition. Incorporeal creatures get no miss chance against force weapons. This property first appeared in the Arms and Equipment Guide and has been updated. Moderate evocation; CL 11th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, wall of force; Price +3 bonus.
sereg 02-01-05, 07:43 AM	If I recall correctly, in the Planar Handbook there is a Planar Sorcerer that substitues for certain actualy sorcerer levels; one of it's abilities involves making 1/2 of an elemental spells energy force instead. It has a limit based upon only working on spells up to one level lower than your highest spell leve, I believe. Still very nice. Sereg
xanthus 02-01-05, 02:35 PM	There is also the Argent Savant from the Complete Arcane, it's a wizard/sorcerer class that is entirely based on force magic. I think that is in fact exactly what you're looking for. You lose a couple of levels I think of spell casting, but I think it's definitely worth it for what it does. -X
Aznar Thrul 02-01-05, 04:12 PM	my dm created the feats but im gonna ask him to remake it( his feat just take a slot 1 level highter) i will ask him to make it 2 or 3 level highter since with my incantator level (improved metamagic i dont care much) and i will surely take argent savant since i dont have the one from dragon magazine(maybe i will get it not sure)