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TheGregorian 07-11-04, 04:24 AM	Hey, I'm looking to make a good lycanthrop NPC to send with the players in my campeign. I need a good base animal with no more than 4 racial HD with as high of CON as possible. (Unless I'm misunderstanding the lycanthropy level hit. The part that confused me was the example of a hill giant were boar... 19 HD with a +7 level adjustment [7 HD+3ECL from lycanthropy, 12 HD+4 ECL for being a hill giant] with a challange rating of 11?!? That's a level 26 character with no class levels) So anyone know of any? lycanthrops that work well? Also a base Race I need. Again, High CON is good, I'm thinking Dwarf (unless I can get a higher con with little/no level adjustment) (heh... dwarf werebear... OUCH!) I also realized, you should be able to put the lycan package on dinosaurs too (they're animals). A "Weredeinonychus" is hard to say but only a +7 level adjustment, +4 to STR and CON, and the pounce ability isn't too bad. (note: ECL has to be capped at +7. So a base creature with a +1 ECL with a lycanthrope [+3] and a base animal of 3 HD is fine... but no more than 7 ECL)
Elephant Jack 07-11-04, 09:04 AM	Some ideas: Dwarf (+2 Con) afflicted were-dire badger (+8 Con) Barbarian 1/Animal 3/Barbarian +1 (+) loads of hit points, rage 2/day, cool flavour, track & toughness as bonus feats... (-) kinda weak natural attacks Dwarf (+2 Con) afflicted were-black bear (+4 Con) Barbarian 1/Animal 3/Barbarian +1 (+) again: tons of hit points, rage, good grapple..., ok natural attacks. Dwarf (+2 Con) afflicted dire-boar (+6 Con) Barbarian 1/Animal 3/Barbarian +1 ...you get the clou, i guess. Some more exotic ideas: Halfling (+2 Dex) afflicted were-cat (+4 Dex) Swashbuckler 1/Animal 1 (i guess, cat's got 1/2 HD...)/Rogue 3 -> Sneak attacking weapon finessing ultra-sneak... Elven (+2 Dex) afflicted were-leopard (+6 Str, +8 Dex, +4 Con!!!) Barbarian 1/Animal 3/Ranger or something 1 -> excellent pounce/rake/improved grab build... with very fast movement (50', charge 100') Any race (preferably high Con because of Poison save DC) afflicted large viper Rogue 1/Animal 3/Fighter or something 1 -> Choose Ability Focus (poison), with Con 20 starting the Poison save DC will be 11(base)+5(Con)+2(Ability Focus) => 18, poison is dealing Con damage!!! Half-orc/Orc (because of the Str) afflicted constrictor snake Barbarian 1/Animal 3/Barbarian or something 1 -> Go for maximum grapple and deal nice constricting damage... As you can see, the possibilities are endless. Try out the entomanothrope template from wizards.com... with the vermin type there are even more possibilities. hope this helps Elephant Jack
Pyriel 07-12-04, 02:02 PM	dwarven direbear...good str and con bonuses
SolitudeSeraph 07-12-04, 02:23 PM	How come they don't have were-hedgehogs :confused:
Idontknow 07-12-04, 02:54 PM	what about this : human afflicted were-lepard barbarian 1 /ranger 1 /warshaper4/natures warrior5/Frenzied Berserker4 in epic: human paragon 3/prc (+ 1 caster progression)1/shaper 1/FB 5-8/whatever godies: fast healing 2 reach 10´ + 10 st +8dex +8co in hybrit form critical immunity +7 natural armor (from armor of the crocodile) DR 3/- (natures warrior class feature) ==>improve with the feat: roll with it from SS rage 3x / franzy 3 x (with extra rage feat)==>+10st +4co ,1 extra attack in epic : casts as 5th level druid ,shapes as 6th level shaper + insane extras from FF if u have a crazy dm convince him of letting u buy of ur level adjustment (+2 from afflicted lyncantrope) I know that this char has some severe weaknesses but he ll do a lot of damage
Idontknow 07-12-04, 03:10 PM	I just noticed that I missed the part about ECL beeing capped at 7 sorry about that one. I guess that makes my built a bit useless :(
roguebfl 07-12-04, 03:16 PM	Just to be Clear its Animal HD + Class levles + 2 or 3 LA = ECL (not nessarly Change rating) 2 if Affected lycanthropes, which can no pass on the curse 3 is for natrual born which can pass on the curse. SRD Challenge Rating: By class level or base creature, modified according to the HD of the base animal: 1 HD or 2 HD, +2; 3 HD to 5 HD, +3; 6 HD to 10 HD, +4; 11 HD to 20 HD, +5; 21 or more HD, +6. So the question is what target CR do you want to throw?
TheGregorian 07-12-04, 05:57 PM	I'm more worried about actual ECL. I'm going to start out by having them sent out with a NPC to fight some "greater evil" (which will turn out pretty strong... but not overpowering) and just when they big villain is overthrown, attack the party with the lycanthrope (making it clear why he was helping... he wanted help over throwing someone to GET the position... not to fight evil) Reason it's capped at 7 is I need the ECL to be 14... and he needs 7 levels of Wilder Strategy is when you manifest Empathic Feedback, energy retort, and inertial barrier on yourself, then manifest Forced share pain on an enemy, you can just let them hit you. Say they hit for 50 damage... the person sharing my pain takes half, the person who hit the wilder takes 13 of what's left (plus 4d6+4 from energy retort), and DR takes 5 away from what the wilder would actually take. This means if someone hits the wilder for 50 damage, the wilder would take 7, one party member would take 25, and another would take 13+4d6+4. Most of the group is fights melee, but if the cleric or sorcerer give the wilder any problems, wilder touches them with a "Empathic transfer" sucking 90 HP from them and healing the wilder with it. Only reason I want lycanthrope levels is the wilder has a d4 hit die... I'm sure they could kill it with a d4 hit die... so I want him to have a boost to con. I'm leaning toward a were-badger. afflicted, that would only mean a +2 adjustment, so the wilder could have 12 levels in wilder, making him much more of a challange. Plus as a were-badger he'd have a bonus to CON built in, automatic rage, and a burrow speed... that can be handy. Still can't think of a good base race for the character though... there's always dumb old human but... I hate standard stuff. (by the way, I'm not just an evil DM that wants nothing but to kill my characters... I'll wait until they're level 15 to throw them up against this... that'll balance out the fact that they have to fight it right after taking on a generic "boss")
roguebfl 07-12-04, 06:53 PM	In that case use a 2HD Animal DOG(RIDING), HYENA, Snake (Medium Viper), WOLF and use 5 Levels of Warshaper from the CW as well that wil give you an ECL (2 animal+7wilder+5Warshaper) +2 or 3 = 16 or 17
SolitudeSeraph 07-12-04, 06:56 PM	I still want to know about were-hedgehogs.....
roguebfl 07-12-04, 07:00 PM	Originally posted by SolitudeSeraph I still want to know about were-hedgehogs..... you got some stats for a hedgehog? or you want use to make them up?
SolitudeSeraph 07-12-04, 07:03 PM	I was wondering why they didn't have stats for dire-hedgehogs or were-hedgehogs for that matter...if you heard the GM Hold Music you would know what I'm talking about :D
roguebfl 07-12-04, 08:12 PM	Well i started a hedgehod thread here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?threadid=274768)
roguebfl 07-13-04, 04:17 AM	ok there stats for Hedge Hedgehogs on page 203 of the 3.5 DMG Problem is they are Diminutive, so you would need to Find a bases races that is a Tiny Humaniod. or you need to figure out a way to makes a Dire-Hedgehog i canr fined any Dire Templates
roguebfl 07-14-04, 05:32 AM	Dire Hedgehog Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 3d8+3 (16 hp) Initiative: +2 Speed: 20 ft. (4 squares) Armor Class: 17 (+2 size, +1 dex, +4 Natural), touch 13, flat-footed 16 Base Attack/Grapple: +2/-4 Attack: bite +2 melee bite (1d3-2) Full Attack: bite +2 melee (1d3-2) and 2 claws -3 melee (1d2-2) Space/Reach: 2-1/2 ft./0 ft Special Attacks: Poison Special Qualities: Defencive ball, improved evation, scent Saves: Fort +4, Ref +5, Will +2 Abilities: Str 7, Dex 14, Con 12, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 5 Skills: Hide 15, Listen +7, Spot +6 Feats: Weapon Feness, Alertness Environment: Temporate forests Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: ? Advancement: Level Adjustment: -- Poison(ex): When in a defencive ball (see below), spines poison foes touching the hedgehog. injure, Fort DC 11, initial and secondard damag 1d2 DEX. The save DCs are Constitution-based. Defencive Ball(ex): Rulls intoa ball as a standard action, gaing a +2 circomstance bonus on saves and AC. Unrolling is a free action There you Go, Question What Small Race you plan on using with your Werehegehog Lord 8)
roguebfl 07-27-04, 03:13 PM	This will give your Halfling a STR +0 (-4 for the dire hedghog +4 from going from Tiny to Small in hybrd) DEX+4 CON+2
gorshtak 07-31-04, 09:03 AM	Just to be Clear its Animal HD + Class levles + 2 or 3 LA = ECL (not nessarly Change rating) Races of Faerun says: a Lycanthrope have an ECL of: animal form HD+class levels+1(afflicted) or +2(natural) :confused:
roguebfl 08-01-04, 05:10 PM	Originally posted by gorshtak Races of Faerun says: a Lycanthrope have an ECL of: animal form HD+class levels+1(afflicted) or +2(natural) 3.5 MM is published more resently the Races of Faerun. hence why the difraces in the LA for Afflicted and natural. bacuse it go "updated"