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Building a Optimized spear warrior [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Victor_Ograygor
10-10-06, 07:53 AM Hi all i am going to play a spear warrior. I have 7 levels to do with.

Name : Kenny Stinger

Clas : Monk 3 Fighter 4

STR 19 +4
DEX 18 +4
CON 16 +3
INT 13 +1
WIS 14 +2
CHA 12 +1

Feats :
W forcus Long Spear +1at
W specialasation +2 dam
Imroved iniiativ x
Quick Draw
Stuning fist x
Dodge

Can u do somthing to Optimized this carekter more than that ?

I have all complete books, the core rulebooks for 3.5, Tome of Battle, All Races of the Wild, Destiny and so on, the spell compendium and the player's handbook 1+2. dungeon master 1+2.all forgotten realms material
Xeraph
10-10-06, 09:39 AM Greetings fellow dane! :)

Yes, this can be done alot better. You have Tome of Battle? You need to smack that baby into your build somehow. I recommend you look in the Tome of Battle Build Compendium, its a couple of pages further ahead.

Also, for all the best spear/polearm feats there is, official ofcourse, check HERE (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/). Bookmark that page for reference everytime you make a build for ulitmate class variant choices, feat choices and so forth.

You have some incredible scores, have you considred some Divine casting?
Heres a wild idea, alot of mulitclassing is going on, but damn, thats the best part right!?!?!

Human Feat Rogue* 2/ Monk** 2/ Fighter 2/ Crusader 3/ Ur-priest 2/ Ruby Knight Vindicator 9

1 - Rogue* 1
2 - Rogue 2
3 - Monk** 1
4 - Monk 2
5 - Fighter 1
6 - Fighter 2
7 - Crusader 1
8 - Crusader 2
9 - Crusader 3
10 - Ur-priest 1
11 - Ur-priest 2
12 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 1
13 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 2
14 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 3
15 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 4
16 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 5
17 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 6
18 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 7
19 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 8
20 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 9

* - Feat Rogue, so you get extra feats. Found in Unearthed Arcana.
** - Cobra Strike variant for the nice feats. Dragon Magazine 310.

Base Attack: +17
Spear Flurry: +15/+15/+10/+5/+0
Base Fort: +12
Base Ref: +10
Base Will: +15 (with Iron Will)
(possible pseudo Divine Grace)

Feats:
1 - Iron Will - Human
1 - Pole Fighting (Dragon Magazine 331) - Bonus
1 - Shield and Pike Style (Dragon Magazine 331) - Feat Rogue
2 - Power Attack - Feat Rogue
3 - Spell Focus [Evil] - bonus
3 - Dodge - Monk
4 - Mobility - Monk
5 - Short Haft (PHB 2) - Fighter
6 - Improved Initiative - Fighter
6 - Leap Attack (Complete Adventurer)- Bonus
9 - Serenity (Dragon Magazine Compendium) - Bonus
12 - Elusive Target (Complete Warrior) - Bonus
15 - Extra Turning or Mother Cyst (Libris Mortis) - Bonus
18 - Martial Study [Shadow Blink] (Tome of Battle) - Bonus

You don't need Quick Draw, you can draw your weapon as a free action as part of a move action. So it's mostly a waste. And who can surprise anybody by drawinf their spear quickly anyway? "Oh my, where did that longspear come from?" ... Just doesn't happen.

Weapon Spec and Weapon Focus are a bit meh also. Rather Power Attack and Leap Attack.

At 9th level you could take Serenity, this depends upon your DM ofcourse. Indomital Soul is simular to Divine Grace in every way, if you can get your DM to allow you to smack the Serenity feat on this build, then you would be golden, since you would focus more on Wisdom and less on Charisma.

At 15th level you must decide if you want more martial power boosted by turning undead attempts or access to alot of extra spells via Mother Cyst. If theres a Maneuver that grants Pounce, then I suggest that as a possibility aswell.

At 18th level Shadow Blink is just to good to pass up.

Other goodies include Evasion, pseudo Divine Grace, Initiator level 16 (8th level maneuvers), Divine caster level 10 (9th level spells), good skill selection and unbeatable Crusader maneuver choices.

The rest kinda explains itself. Hvis du skal have nogle fortrolige oplysinger om feats eller lignende kan du jo lige sende mig en PM.

Cheers, hope this inspires you.
Inkubus
10-10-06, 10:58 AM Hi all i am going to play a spear warrior. I have 7 levels to do with.

Name : Kenny Stinger

Clas : Monk 3 Fighter 4

STR 19 +4
DEX 18 +4
CON 16 +3
INT 13 +1
WIS 14 +2
CHA 12 +1

Feats :
W forcus Long Spear +1at
W specialasation +2 dam
Imroved iniiativ x
Quick Draw
Stuning fist x
Dodge

Can u do somthing to Optimized this carekter more than that ?

I have all complete books, the core rulebooks for 3.5, Tome of Battle, All Races of the Wild, Destiny and so on, the spell compendium and the player's handbook 1+2. dungeon master 1+2.all forgotten realms material

I'd at least take short haft. Also, with a longspear I'd probably concentrate on getting AoOs. So I'd take feats like combat reflexes, stand still, etc.
Runeblood7
10-10-06, 11:15 AM Take a look at Tempest's Lancer build and see what can be done with a spear.

http://http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=367957

Tried a version of it, it's very effective.
Xeraph
10-10-06, 02:25 PM In my build, forget the part about Serenity at level 9. It seems the Crusaders ability is far from Divine Grace.
Bonzai
10-10-06, 06:42 PM I have been working on one too, though I may end up being a Crusader. Feats I was looking at were (not in order);

Combat Reflexes
Short Haft
Weapon focus
Defensive Sweep
Power attack
Cleave

If you are not a Crusader, you want the martial study, and martial stance feats as well to get Thicket of Blades (I believe thats what it is called). This build focuses on Attacks of opportunity. Anyone entering your threat range provokes an attack of opportunity, anyone who doesn't move and is adjacent to you provokes an attack, and any time you kill something, you get another attack. This should be a great build against multiple opponents.

If it was a warrior, I would also use bonus feats to get whirlwind attack.
nittanytbone
10-11-06, 09:41 AM There's a feat in BoED that lets you use Wis instead of Str to hit with simple weapons. I think its called Insightful Strike. That would let you shuffle your highest score from Str into Wis, which obviously has lots of benefits for a monk type. You miss out on some damage, but you can easily convert the bonus to hit to damage via power attack.
rilem
10-11-06, 09:59 AM Here's one I did a while ago — pre-Complete Psionic, so there might be something new to tweak it with.

Monk4/Fighter2/FistofZuoken5/PsychicWeaponMaster9

1. Monk (Cobra Strike: UA) Wild Talent, Stand Still, Dodge*
2. Monk Mobility*, Evasion
3. Fighter 1 WF*, Serpent Strike
4. Monk 3 Still Mind
5. Fighter 2 Spring Attack
6. Monk 4 Ki Strike
7. Fist of Zuoken Psionic Dodge
8. Fist of Zuoken 2
9. Fist of Zuoken 3 Power Attack
10. Fist of Zuoken 4
11. Fist of Zuoken 5 Psionic Weapon*
12. Psychic Weapon Master 1 Combat Reflexes, Bonded Weapon (nimble), Psi Dmg
13. Psychic Weapon Master 2 Incr. Mult 1/day
14. Psychic Weapon Master 3 Psi WF
15. Psychic Weapon Master 4 Combat Expertise, Incr. Mult 2/day
16. Psychic Weapon Master 5 Superior Combat Reflexes (Wis to C.R.)
17. Psychic Weapon Master 6 Incr. Mult 3/day
18. Psychic Weapon Master 7 Whirlwind Attack, Imp. Crit
19. Psychic Weapon Master 8 Incr. Mult 4/day
20. Psychic Weapon Master 9 Superior Whirlwind (standard action)

* Bonus feat

BAB 17
Saves: 11/15/11
HP: 4d8 + 2d10 + 5d8 +10d8

Psionics: 9 Powers, 57 points, 5th level powers
AC (Wis+1), Unarmed Damage (1d10) and Move (+30ft) of 9th level monk

Odd stuff:
• PsyWeapon Master is found here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040827d)
• Serpent Strike (eberron) lets you flurry with a longspear
• Uses Cobra Strike monk from Unearthed Arcana

Stuff I’m unsure of:

• 6th level: Monk gets me Ki strike and + 1BAB; Psychic Warrior would net an extra feat; Elocator would get me Scorn Earth & Bonus feat but NOT, at this stage, any manifester level, which is a shame. But I can’t get into FoZ any earlier.

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Victor_Ograygor 10-10-06, 07:53 AM	Hi all i am going to play a spear warrior. I have 7 levels to do with. Name : Kenny Stinger Clas : Monk 3 Fighter 4 STR 19 +4 DEX 18 +4 CON 16 +3 INT 13 +1 WIS 14 +2 CHA 12 +1 Feats : W forcus Long Spear +1at W specialasation +2 dam Imroved iniiativ x Quick Draw Stuning fist x Dodge Can u do somthing to Optimized this carekter more than that ? I have all complete books, the core rulebooks for 3.5, Tome of Battle, All Races of the Wild, Destiny and so on, the spell compendium and the player's handbook 1+2. dungeon master 1+2.all forgotten realms material
Xeraph 10-10-06, 09:39 AM	Greetings fellow dane! :) Yes, this can be done alot better. You have Tome of Battle? You need to smack that baby into your build somehow. I recommend you look in the Tome of Battle Build Compendium, its a couple of pages further ahead. Also, for all the best spear/polearm feats there is, official ofcourse, check HERE (http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/). Bookmark that page for reference everytime you make a build for ulitmate class variant choices, feat choices and so forth. You have some incredible scores, have you considred some Divine casting? Heres a wild idea, alot of mulitclassing is going on, but damn, thats the best part right!?!?! Human Feat Rogue* 2/ Monk** 2/ Fighter 2/ Crusader 3/ Ur-priest 2/ Ruby Knight Vindicator 9 1 - Rogue* 1 2 - Rogue 2 3 - Monk** 1 4 - Monk 2 5 - Fighter 1 6 - Fighter 2 7 - Crusader 1 8 - Crusader 2 9 - Crusader 3 10 - Ur-priest 1 11 - Ur-priest 2 12 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 1 13 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 2 14 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 3 15 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 4 16 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 5 17 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 6 18 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 7 19 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 8 20 - Ruby Knight Vindicator 9 * - Feat Rogue, so you get extra feats. Found in Unearthed Arcana. ** - Cobra Strike variant for the nice feats. Dragon Magazine 310. Base Attack: +17 Spear Flurry: +15/+15/+10/+5/+0 Base Fort: +12 Base Ref: +10 Base Will: +15 (with Iron Will) (possible pseudo Divine Grace) Feats: 1 - Iron Will - Human 1 - Pole Fighting (Dragon Magazine 331) - Bonus 1 - Shield and Pike Style (Dragon Magazine 331) - Feat Rogue 2 - Power Attack - Feat Rogue 3 - Spell Focus [Evil] - bonus 3 - Dodge - Monk 4 - Mobility - Monk 5 - Short Haft (PHB 2) - Fighter 6 - Improved Initiative - Fighter 6 - Leap Attack (Complete Adventurer)- Bonus 9 - Serenity (Dragon Magazine Compendium) - Bonus 12 - Elusive Target (Complete Warrior) - Bonus 15 - Extra Turning or Mother Cyst (Libris Mortis) - Bonus 18 - Martial Study [Shadow Blink] (Tome of Battle) - Bonus You don't need Quick Draw, you can draw your weapon as a free action as part of a move action. So it's mostly a waste. And who can surprise anybody by drawinf their spear quickly anyway? "Oh my, where did that longspear come from?" ... Just doesn't happen. Weapon Spec and Weapon Focus are a bit meh also. Rather Power Attack and Leap Attack. At 9th level you could take Serenity, this depends upon your DM ofcourse. Indomital Soul is simular to Divine Grace in every way, if you can get your DM to allow you to smack the Serenity feat on this build, then you would be golden, since you would focus more on Wisdom and less on Charisma. At 15th level you must decide if you want more martial power boosted by turning undead attempts or access to alot of extra spells via Mother Cyst. If theres a Maneuver that grants Pounce, then I suggest that as a possibility aswell. At 18th level Shadow Blink is just to good to pass up. Other goodies include Evasion, pseudo Divine Grace, Initiator level 16 (8th level maneuvers), Divine caster level 10 (9th level spells), good skill selection and unbeatable Crusader maneuver choices. The rest kinda explains itself. Hvis du skal have nogle fortrolige oplysinger om feats eller lignende kan du jo lige sende mig en PM. Cheers, hope this inspires you.
Inkubus 10-10-06, 10:58 AM	Hi all i am going to play a spear warrior. I have 7 levels to do with. Name : Kenny Stinger Clas : Monk 3 Fighter 4 STR 19 +4 DEX 18 +4 CON 16 +3 INT 13 +1 WIS 14 +2 CHA 12 +1 Feats : W forcus Long Spear +1at W specialasation +2 dam Imroved iniiativ x Quick Draw Stuning fist x Dodge Can u do somthing to Optimized this carekter more than that ? I have all complete books, the core rulebooks for 3.5, Tome of Battle, All Races of the Wild, Destiny and so on, the spell compendium and the player's handbook 1+2. dungeon master 1+2.all forgotten realms material I'd at least take short haft. Also, with a longspear I'd probably concentrate on getting AoOs. So I'd take feats like combat reflexes, stand still, etc.
Runeblood7 10-10-06, 11:15 AM	Take a look at Tempest's Lancer build and see what can be done with a spear. http://http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=367957 Tried a version of it, it's very effective.
Xeraph 10-10-06, 02:25 PM	In my build, forget the part about Serenity at level 9. It seems the Crusaders ability is far from Divine Grace.
Bonzai 10-10-06, 06:42 PM	I have been working on one too, though I may end up being a Crusader. Feats I was looking at were (not in order); Combat Reflexes Short Haft Weapon focus Defensive Sweep Power attack Cleave If you are not a Crusader, you want the martial study, and martial stance feats as well to get Thicket of Blades (I believe thats what it is called). This build focuses on Attacks of opportunity. Anyone entering your threat range provokes an attack of opportunity, anyone who doesn't move and is adjacent to you provokes an attack, and any time you kill something, you get another attack. This should be a great build against multiple opponents. If it was a warrior, I would also use bonus feats to get whirlwind attack.
nittanytbone 10-11-06, 09:41 AM	There's a feat in BoED that lets you use Wis instead of Str to hit with simple weapons. I think its called Insightful Strike. That would let you shuffle your highest score from Str into Wis, which obviously has lots of benefits for a monk type. You miss out on some damage, but you can easily convert the bonus to hit to damage via power attack.
rilem 10-11-06, 09:59 AM	Here's one I did a while ago — pre-Complete Psionic, so there might be something new to tweak it with. Monk4/Fighter2/FistofZuoken5/PsychicWeaponMaster9 1. Monk (Cobra Strike: UA) Wild Talent, Stand Still, Dodge* 2. Monk Mobility, Evasion 3. Fighter 1 WF, Serpent Strike 4. Monk 3 Still Mind 5. Fighter 2 Spring Attack 6. Monk 4 Ki Strike 7. Fist of Zuoken Psionic Dodge 8. Fist of Zuoken 2 9. Fist of Zuoken 3 Power Attack 10. Fist of Zuoken 4 11. Fist of Zuoken 5 Psionic Weapon* 12. Psychic Weapon Master 1 Combat Reflexes, Bonded Weapon (nimble), Psi Dmg 13. Psychic Weapon Master 2 Incr. Mult 1/day 14. Psychic Weapon Master 3 Psi WF 15. Psychic Weapon Master 4 Combat Expertise, Incr. Mult 2/day 16. Psychic Weapon Master 5 Superior Combat Reflexes (Wis to C.R.) 17. Psychic Weapon Master 6 Incr. Mult 3/day 18. Psychic Weapon Master 7 Whirlwind Attack, Imp. Crit 19. Psychic Weapon Master 8 Incr. Mult 4/day 20. Psychic Weapon Master 9 Superior Whirlwind (standard action) * Bonus feat BAB 17 Saves: 11/15/11 HP: 4d8 + 2d10 + 5d8 +10d8 Psionics: 9 Powers, 57 points, 5th level powers AC (Wis+1), Unarmed Damage (1d10) and Move (+30ft) of 9th level monk Odd stuff: • PsyWeapon Master is found here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/psm/20040827d) • Serpent Strike (eberron) lets you flurry with a longspear • Uses Cobra Strike monk from Unearthed Arcana Stuff I’m unsure of: • 6th level: Monk gets me Ki strike and + 1BAB; Psychic Warrior would net an extra feat; Elocator would get me Scorn Earth & Bonus feat but NOT, at this stage, any manifester level, which is a shame. But I can’t get into FoZ any earlier.