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| neceros12-11-06, 06:39 PM | I'm trying to rebuild my celestial from long ago, as I've lost the character sheet again. Now, as I think about his design I keep coming back to Tyriel from Diablo 2 (I'm not sure how to spell his name.) Except for the fact that my character will be a Half-Celestial Drow. I've been running through a lot of Gishes lately, trying to find the best gish for me to play. I've tried a Sorcerer and Psion, of different builds. Now I'd like to try a Divine casting type, if it's even possible. Clerical spells work really well in conjunction with a melee character, and I'd love to be able to use the buffs and healing of clerics to boost my effectiveness. The problem is I don't know much about clerics. I've read the cleric guide and I've sifted through most of this forum looking for clerical builds, but I'm still sketchy. I don't understand domains too easy, since there are so many of them (I have PHB + Spell Compendium + Complete Divine.) Please feel free to post any cleric builds, favorite domains, Classes (Favored soul is in my mind), or any advice on which way to go. Nevermind any LA as I've already got that taken care of. (Original character was Half-Celestial, Half-Dragon Drow. ECL of +9. Ouch. This was my first character, mind you, in the 3.0 system. Now we've switched to 3.5 and I need to rebuild him. I think I'll just keep the angel aspect, since that's his flavor.) Thanks for your help. Taking Gaffer's advice, here's what I have so far. Now I need to fill in some feats and stuff. I'm considering Divine Metamagic and Power, and whatnot. LVL CLASS BAB| F R W | CL | SPECIAL 01: Cleric 1 0 | 2 0 2 | 1 | Power Attack 02: Cleric 2 1 | 1 0 1 | 1 | 03: Cleric 3 1 | 0 1 0 | 1 | 04: Cleric 4 1 | 1 0 1 | 1 | 05: Cleric 5 0 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 06: Cleric 6 1 | 1 1 1 | 1 | Mounted Combat 07: Prestige Paladin 1 1 | 2 0 0 | 1 | 08: Prestige Paladin 2 1 | 1 0 0 | 0 | 09: Prestige Paladin 3 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | Servant of the Heavens 10: Fist of Raziel 1 1 | 2 0 0 | 0 | 11: Fist of Raziel 2 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | 12: Fist of Raziel 3 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | 13: Fist of Raziel 4 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | 14: Fist of Raziel 5 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 15: Fist of Raziel 6 1 | 1 1 1 | 1 | 16: Fist of Raziel 7 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 17: Fist of Raziel 8 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 18: Fist of Raziel 9 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | 19: Fist of Raziel 10 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | 20: Cleric 7 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | TOTALS: 18 | 14 6 9 | 18 | BOLD: FeatsWork in Progress |
| GaffeR12-11-06, 06:56 PM | Isn't he just an Angel? I'm sure there's a savage progression for a Planetar, or Astral Deva, somewhere. As far as divine "gish" goes, there's always the Cleric 6/Prestige Paladin 3/Fist of Raziel 10/Cleric +1 option. |
| Arem_K12-11-06, 06:57 PM | Tyriel is kinda hard to build, because he doesn't really do a whole lot. I mean he has a little fight with Diablo, and does that thing at the end. So basically you just have to make sure you have wings and a sword. Divine gish are easy. The cleric without any splat books or prestige classes is a competant gish. Full armor and decent BAB which becomes perfect BAB after a casting of divine power, plus other buffs. |
| neceros12-11-06, 06:58 PM | Good suggestion. I'll look through Savage. Thanks for the idea on classes, too. I forgot he is the essence of good, so BoED applies to him :D |
| BurritoAlPastor12-11-06, 07:28 PM | There was a 3.0 Diablo 2 sourcebook (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/main.asp?x=d2/diabloii,3) which had statblocks for just about everything, if you can find it. I've seen it at Powell's in Portland. I recall that Fallen have 1/4 a HD, and Diablo's Red Fire attack actually bypasses evasion. |
| neceros12-11-06, 07:57 PM | Very cool. Thank you. Gaffer, Arem, what domains do you suggest? |
| GaffeR12-11-06, 08:06 PM | Very cool. Thank you. Gaffer, Arem, what domains do you suggest? Hmmm.. for Tyriel or an actual PC? My memory on Tyriel is a bit hazy, but the ones that stick out are: War, Wrath, Good, Protection, Strength, Knowledge. |
| neceros12-11-06, 08:19 PM | Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I meant for a general cleric build, which ones are the powerful ones for a melee builds. The ones that stand out to me (PHB only so far) are War, Magic, Trickery. Polymorph any Object, Invisiblity, Power Word *, and Any spell that Clerics can't normally cast are my favorite domain spells so far. The last time I built a cleric was in NWN1, 3.0 style, so I'm still refreshing my memories on what is what. |
| PhoenixInferno12-11-06, 08:26 PM | War is a terrible domain. Woo, free Weapon Focus. Power Words aren't THAT good, IMO - any opponent that you really want to shut down ASAP will have way more HP than the limits and if you're fighting a horde, why would you waste a high level spell on them? Just whack 'em. The Holy Word-family is much better at that - based on HD, not HP. |
| neceros12-11-06, 08:47 PM | War is a terrible domain. Woo, free Weapon Focus. Power Words aren't THAT good, IMO - any opponent that you really want to shut down ASAP will have way more HP than the limits and if you're fighting a horde, why would you waste a high level spell on them? Just whack 'em. The Holy Word-family is much better at that - based on HD, not HP. I see your point of view. However, there are times that I need to kill them quickly. Most of the time I don't get hit on my mage characters, and I resist all the spells that are slung at me. I don't usually worry about being hit or killed. However, When I'm facing 50 ghost templated Clerics, I would rather just kill them all quickly rather than one by one, charge after charge. Another question. I can't seem to find a way to be able to Pounce after a charge, without going Psionic or shadow-something. I saw a Wild class in the Compelte Divine that has that sort of ability. Anyone else know where or how to get a pounce-like ability for cheap? |
| PhoenixInferno12-11-06, 09:01 PM | I see your point of view. However, there are times that I need to kill them quickly. Most of the time I don't get hit on my mage characters, and I resist all the spells that are slung at me. I don't usually worry about being hit or killed. However, When I'm facing 50 ghost templated Clerics, I would rather just kill them all quickly rather than one by one, charge after charge.You're a Cleric vs the Undead - you can turn them. If you've sacrificed all your turning, you still have lots of spells that deal with them effectively - like Holy Word. |
| GaffeR12-11-06, 09:05 PM | PHB only domains for a melee cleric? Well, some good PHB domains would include Luck, Magic, and Travel (IMO). For pounce, check our Surreal's lists of stuff in his Handy Links for CO work thread. |
| neceros12-11-06, 09:12 PM | only PHB because I haven't yet looked at my book. That's next on my list tonight. |
| neceros12-13-06, 02:56 AM | Medium (Half-Celestial, Half-Dragon, Drow) ABILITIES STR 26 (14 +12) DEX 16 (14 +2) CON 18 (12 +6) INT 14 (8 +6) WIS 20 (16 +4) CHA 22 (14 +8) RACIAL Fly 60 (Good) +5 Natural AC Daylight at will Smite Evil 1/day Spell-Like: Protection from Evil 3/day, Bless, Aid, Dectect Evil, Cure Serious Wounds, Neutralize Poison, Holy Smite, Remove Disease, Dispell Evil, Holy Word, Holy Aura 3/day, Hallow, Mass Charm Monster, Faerie fire, Darkness, Dancing Lights Darkvision 120ft Low-Light Vision Immunity: Diease, Sleep, Paralysis, Fire Resistance: 10 Cold, 10 Acid, 10 Electricity Damage Reduction 10/magic Spell Resistance HD + 11 +4 bonus vs Poison Two Natural Claw and one bite attacks Breath Weapon 6d8 +2 save vs spells and spell-like LVL CLASS BAB| F R W | CL | SPECIAL 01: Cleric 1 0 | 2 0 2 | 1 | Power Attack 02: Cleric 2 1 | 1 0 1 | 1 | 03: Cleric 3 1 | 0 1 0 | 1 | 04: Cleric 4 1 | 1 0 1 | 1 | 05: Cleric 5 0 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 06: Cleric 6 1 | 1 1 1 | 1 | Mounted Combat 07: Prestige Paladin 1 1 | 2 0 0 | 1 | 08: Prestige Paladin 2 1 | 1 0 0 | 0 | 09: Prestige Paladin 3 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | Servant of the Heavens 10: Fist of Raziel 1 1 | 2 0 0 | 0 | 11: Contemplative 1 0 | 0 0 2 | 1 | 12: Fist of Raziel 2 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | 13: Fist of Raziel 3 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | 14: Fist of Raziel 4 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | 15: Fist of Raziel 5 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 16: Fist of Raziel 6 1 | 1 1 1 | 1 | 17: Fist of Raziel 7 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 18: Fist of Raziel 8 1 | 0 0 0 | 1 | 19: Fist of Raziel 9 1 | 0 1 1 | 1 | 20: Fist of Raziel 10 1 | 1 0 0 | 1 | TOTALS: 17 | 14 6 11| 18| |
| icedrake12-13-06, 04:03 AM | The Valkiery from Tomb of Battle's super hot in terms of stats and melee smashy, turn her into a guy and I think you'd get a really mean character who's similar to Tyriel. I always picked him as the flaming sword-smite you in the face kind of angel myself and can't think of him as much of a spellcaster. If you took 4 levels of paladin for turn undead, mixed with with warblade to keep your initiator levels up and then got Power Attack and Divine Might, that's a really nice combo. You could even pick up fly-by attack so that you could attack and initaite a manuever at the same time. Note: I just read the part about the drow part of the character. Doh. |
| neceros12-13-06, 04:27 AM | Note: I just read the part about the drow part of the character. Doh. Yeah, I was a noob when I made the character. "Let's add 5 templates!!" I don't even know if they stack, but it's too late to change it now. |
| icedrake12-13-06, 04:54 AM | I would take DMM if you can get access to the planning domain for a free extend spell. The only problem with it is its super, super feat intensive and your build won't really bloom until much later. The classic awesome domains are Strength, Luck and Travel, taking any one of those would be a good call from core. As I remember, the Spell Comp has a slew of domains, but you'll have to check those out and consult with your DM on what you could possibly take. What kind of a character are you going for style-wise aside from the angel thing? Do you want personal flight with wings? You have mounted combat, so you have thought about a flying mount maybe or some kind of celestial companion? Is there a spell you could take to let you take advantage of this feat so its not completely dead? I'd get Divine Might ASAP since you have a massive Cha and an insane 12 turn attempts at first level. It might be prudent to climb up the Power Attack tree for combat options, getting Shock Trooper and Combat Brute. Improved Smite could be cool because you get so many from Fist, that way you'll always bypass outsider damage reduction. If you can find some way to Censor Demons, that would be really flavorful for the character at high levels. |
| runestar12-13-06, 09:31 AM | Tyriel was quite cool, the way his wings broke up like that to batter his foe. Though I would probably just use the MM solar...:P |
| ChristopherGroves12-13-06, 10:32 AM | I'd go with Favored Soul personally. Try and work in a PrC to get turn-undead (Exorcist) and Fist of Raziel. Favored Soul 7 / Sacred Exorcist 1 / Fist of Raziel 10 / something 2 Lots of CHA - just don't cast spells with saves. Use the PHB2 immediate/swift spells, buffing, maybe divine mm quicken |