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Warforget
12-15-06, 11:42 PM Can i throw two spear (large one d8*3) using Two-weapon style??

I was thinking to make Half Ork and use master thrower and take double toss but i was thinking can you throw large size weapon with two-weapon fighting feat?? what say Raw :confused:

and how this work (or can i do this)if use master thrower special attack douple toss+two with one blow?? and can i use that big spear??
Valdrax
12-17-06, 12:58 AM Once you gain the Quick-Draw Feat, then -- RAW -- yes. Logically, the answer should be no.

Throwing a one-handed or light weapon is normally a standard action, and throwing a two-handed weapon is normally a full-round action. (PHB 113) However, the Quick-Draw Feat says the following.

A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow).

While there are no abilities that I can think of off the top of my head that take a full-round action down to a single attack as part of a full attack, RAW this should allow chucking two-handed spears at your full attack rate. (This probably needs to be errata'ed.)

However, note that two-handed thrown weapons are still two-handed weapons. While the PHB is insistent that a two-handed weapon must be used with two hands in melee, it is oddly silent on the number of hands needed to throw such a weapon. RAW, there are no prohibitions against throwing a two-handed weapon with one hand -- just the aforementioned extended action length over throwing light & one-handed weapons.

Since a spear is not a light weapon, you would gain a -4 penalty to all attacks (in both hands) for using it in the off-hand (assuming you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat). Other rules to keep in mind are to get Precise Shot to eliminate the -4 penalty for throwing into melee and that a thrown weapon only has 5 range increments, and all have very shot range increments. That means that you can only throw it 20 ft without penalty and a cumulative -2 penalty to your attack roll until topping out at -8 at 100 ft.

I wouldn't even consider the Two with One Blow PrC feature. You're already looking at a -4 penalty, and you want to make it a -8? (Plus range penalties?) In addition, your Half-Orc stats don't have good synergy with the fact that ranged weapons require Dex and not Str to hit. Doubletoss is redundant with having Two Weapon Fighting and Quick-Draw. I'm not sure why anyone would take it except to give you the option to make less attacks per round.

Plus, if you don't aren't starting at level 6 or higher, facing the choice between buying Quick Draw early to avoid having to take a full-round action or not taking it early to avoid making one of the 1st level benefits of Master Thrower redundant.

In summary:
RAW, it's possible, though it shouldn't be, and the penalties for doing it make the build utterly craptastic. I wouldn't advise it unless you go with throwing light weapons in the off-hand at the very least.

Using light weapons and combining it with Tempest might make it rather funny, though.
Warforget
12-17-06, 10:48 AM Once you gain the Quick-Draw Feat, then -- RAW -- yes. Logically, the answer should be no.

Throwing a one-handed or light weapon is normally a standard action, and throwing a two-handed weapon is normally a full-round action. (PHB 113) However, the Quick-Draw Feat says the following.

A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow).

While there are no abilities that I can think of off the top of my head that take a full-round action down to a single attack as part of a full attack, RAW this should allow chucking two-handed spears at your full attack rate. (This probably needs to be errata'ed.)

However, note that two-handed thrown weapons are still two-handed weapons. While the PHB is insistent that a two-handed weapon must be used with two hands in melee, it is oddly silent on the number of hands needed to throw such a weapon. RAW, there are no prohibitions against throwing a two-handed weapon with one hand -- just the aforementioned extended action length over throwing light & one-handed weapons.

Since a spear is not a light weapon, you would gain a -4 penalty to all attacks (in both hands) for using it in the off-hand (assuming you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat). Other rules to keep in mind are to get Precise Shot to eliminate the -4 penalty for throwing into melee and that a thrown weapon only has 5 range increments, and all have very shot range increments. That means that you can only throw it 20 ft without penalty and a cumulative -2 penalty to your attack roll until topping out at -8 at 100 ft.

I wouldn't even consider the Two with One Blow PrC feature. You're already looking at a -4 penalty, and you want to make it a -8? (Plus range penalties?) In addition, your Half-Orc stats don't have good synergy with the fact that ranged weapons require Dex and not Str to hit. Doubletoss is redundant with having Two Weapon Fighting and Quick-Draw. I'm not sure why anyone would take it except to give you the option to make less attacks per round.

Plus, if you don't aren't starting at level 6 or higher, facing the choice between buying Quick Draw early to avoid having to take a full-round action or not taking it early to avoid making one of the 1st level benefits of Master Thrower redundant.

In summary:
RAW, it's possible, though it shouldn't be, and the penalties for doing it make the build utterly craptastic. I wouldn't advise it unless you go with throwing light weapons in the off-hand at the very least.

Using light weapons and combining it with Tempest might make it rather funny, though.

Well thanks for answer i was thinking to make this built in Living Greyhawk but i risk to get my triad mad

Well meet my Ork Blood Ball player Orog the passer :)

28ps

St:20
Dex:12
Con:14
Int: 6
Wis:10
Cha:6

And levels:

1 Ranger Feat:exotic weapon ORK SHORT PUT :D
2-3 Fighter feats:Brutall throw+Point blank+Precise Shot
4 Ranger
5 Barbarian
6-10 Master Thrower and i take Douple throw+Two in one and deadeye Shot

I get big damage 2d6+5(or 7when i rage) 19-20/3 (or 4) and level 6 i can hit 4 enemy
So what you think any good?? or any ideas?? and sorry my bad english im not get use to write english

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Warforget 12-15-06, 11:42 PM	Can i throw two spear (large one d8*3) using Two-weapon style?? I was thinking to make Half Ork and use master thrower and take double toss but i was thinking can you throw large size weapon with two-weapon fighting feat?? what say Raw :confused: and how this work (or can i do this)if use master thrower special attack douple toss+two with one blow?? and can i use that big spear??
Valdrax 12-17-06, 12:58 AM	Once you gain the Quick-Draw Feat, then -- RAW -- yes. Logically, the answer should be no. Throwing a one-handed or light weapon is normally a standard action, and throwing a two-handed weapon is normally a full-round action. (PHB 113) However, the Quick-Draw Feat says the following. A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow). While there are no abilities that I can think of off the top of my head that take a full-round action down to a single attack as part of a full attack, RAW this should allow chucking two-handed spears at your full attack rate. (This probably needs to be errata'ed.) However, note that two-handed thrown weapons are still two-handed weapons. While the PHB is insistent that a two-handed weapon must be used with two hands in melee, it is oddly silent on the number of hands needed to throw such a weapon. RAW, there are no prohibitions against throwing a two-handed weapon with one hand -- just the aforementioned extended action length over throwing light & one-handed weapons. Since a spear is not a light weapon, you would gain a -4 penalty to all attacks (in both hands) for using it in the off-hand (assuming you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat). Other rules to keep in mind are to get Precise Shot to eliminate the -4 penalty for throwing into melee and that a thrown weapon only has 5 range increments, and all have very shot range increments. That means that you can only throw it 20 ft without penalty and a cumulative -2 penalty to your attack roll until topping out at -8 at 100 ft. I wouldn't even consider the Two with One Blow PrC feature. You're already looking at a -4 penalty, and you want to make it a -8? (Plus range penalties?) In addition, your Half-Orc stats don't have good synergy with the fact that ranged weapons require Dex and not Str to hit. Doubletoss is redundant with having Two Weapon Fighting and Quick-Draw. I'm not sure why anyone would take it except to give you the option to make less attacks per round. Plus, if you don't aren't starting at level 6 or higher, facing the choice between buying Quick Draw early to avoid having to take a full-round action or not taking it early to avoid making one of the 1st level benefits of Master Thrower redundant. In summary: RAW, it's possible, though it shouldn't be, and the penalties for doing it make the build utterly craptastic. I wouldn't advise it unless you go with throwing light weapons in the off-hand at the very least. Using light weapons and combining it with Tempest might make it rather funny, though.
Warforget 12-17-06, 10:48 AM	Once you gain the Quick-Draw Feat, then -- RAW -- yes. Logically, the answer should be no. Throwing a one-handed or light weapon is normally a standard action, and throwing a two-handed weapon is normally a full-round action. (PHB 113) However, the Quick-Draw Feat says the following. A character who has selected this feat may throw weapons at his full normal rate of attacks (much like a character with a bow). While there are no abilities that I can think of off the top of my head that take a full-round action down to a single attack as part of a full attack, RAW this should allow chucking two-handed spears at your full attack rate. (This probably needs to be errata'ed.) However, note that two-handed thrown weapons are still two-handed weapons. While the PHB is insistent that a two-handed weapon must be used with two hands in melee, it is oddly silent on the number of hands needed to throw such a weapon. RAW, there are no prohibitions against throwing a two-handed weapon with one hand -- just the aforementioned extended action length over throwing light & one-handed weapons. Since a spear is not a light weapon, you would gain a -4 penalty to all attacks (in both hands) for using it in the off-hand (assuming you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat). Other rules to keep in mind are to get Precise Shot to eliminate the -4 penalty for throwing into melee and that a thrown weapon only has 5 range increments, and all have very shot range increments. That means that you can only throw it 20 ft without penalty and a cumulative -2 penalty to your attack roll until topping out at -8 at 100 ft. I wouldn't even consider the Two with One Blow PrC feature. You're already looking at a -4 penalty, and you want to make it a -8? (Plus range penalties?) In addition, your Half-Orc stats don't have good synergy with the fact that ranged weapons require Dex and not Str to hit. Doubletoss is redundant with having Two Weapon Fighting and Quick-Draw. I'm not sure why anyone would take it except to give you the option to make less attacks per round. Plus, if you don't aren't starting at level 6 or higher, facing the choice between buying Quick Draw early to avoid having to take a full-round action or not taking it early to avoid making one of the 1st level benefits of Master Thrower redundant. In summary: RAW, it's possible, though it shouldn't be, and the penalties for doing it make the build utterly craptastic. I wouldn't advise it unless you go with throwing light weapons in the off-hand at the very least. Using light weapons and combining it with Tempest might make it rather funny, though. Well thanks for answer i was thinking to make this built in Living Greyhawk but i risk to get my triad mad Well meet my Ork Blood Ball player Orog the passer :) 28ps St:20 Dex:12 Con:14 Int: 6 Wis:10 Cha:6 And levels: 1 Ranger Feat:exotic weapon ORK SHORT PUT :D 2-3 Fighter feats:Brutall throw+Point blank+Precise Shot 4 Ranger 5 Barbarian 6-10 Master Thrower and i take Douple throw+Two in one and deadeye Shot I get big damage 2d6+5(or 7when i rage) 19-20/3 (or 4) and level 6 i can hit 4 enemy So what you think any good?? or any ideas?? and sorry my bad english im not get use to write english