Can the Psionic Telekinetic Powers be used to qualify for the MotUH? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can the Psionic Telekinetic Powers be used to qualify for the MotUH? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Gerdreg
06-17-04, 09:37 PM If so what would be the best build?

For Psions and Wilders, the Telekinetic Powers are 3rd and 4th level as opposed to the 5th level spell version, which means you could qualify by 5th (or 6 for the Wilder) level. Also, due to the power point system, you could use the Telekinetic Powers many more times per day then you could cast the spell.

I'm toying with a Githyanki Wilder atm. It will give me slightly better HPs and BAB, light armor, and both racial and class based Powers will be Cha based compared to a Psion. Plus as a Gith I will get a few extra PPs and Telekinetic Thrust 3 extra times per day (at level 9). Is the +2 ECL worth it for this template?

Here's the base class progression, please feel free to comment.

levels 1-2 - Githyanki
levels 3-10 - Wilder 1-8
levels 11-15 - MotUH 1-5
levels 16-20 - Wilder 9-13

Caster level with Telekinesis and BaB with Telekinesis wielded weapons will be 18.
pawsplay
06-17-04, 11:15 PM Looks pretty solid.

I know the Metamind gets no love, but it seems like you could probably do something rude with MotUH and excessive telekinetics.
Gerdreg
06-18-04, 08:17 AM Still working on my template. Thinking of going with a non-ECL race so I can get Wilder to 15 at level 20.

It specifically says under the MotUH that you can't use any weapon feats (like weapon focus or power attack) while wielding a weapon telekinetically, but that doesn't prohibit you from using class abilities (or feats) to augment the telekinesis itself. If you use Wild Surge (or Overchannel) you raise your manifester level, which will will also raise you BAB with a telekinetically wielded weapon.

At level 20 (15 Wilder/ 5 MotUH), while using Wild Surge +5, my manifester level with Telekinetic Powers will be 25, making my BAB 25. Would my attacks at this point be +25/+20/+15/+10/+5, or do epic rules still apply, limiting me to 4 attacks per round despite a 20+ BAB?
Gerdreg
06-18-04, 08:39 AM At level 20 using Improved Violent Thrust augmented by Wild Surge +5, I could hurl 25 weapons at upto 25 different targets with a BAB of 25, using my Cha bonus (which should at least +8 at that level) to damage.

If I were using arrows, total damage in one attack, assuming all hit, would be 25d4 (small weapons count as thrown daggers for this use) + 200. Average Damage would be about 262 pts.
Gerdreg
06-21-04, 12:55 PM Still working on this concept, though doesn't seem anyone else is very interested in commenting on it :P

I've decided to go with a human with the Githyanki bloodline. It doesn't really add much more than (gasp) role-playing flavor, but it doesn't take away anything either, as bloodline levels add to caster levels.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Gerdreg 06-17-04, 09:37 PM	If so what would be the best build? For Psions and Wilders, the Telekinetic Powers are 3rd and 4th level as opposed to the 5th level spell version, which means you could qualify by 5th (or 6 for the Wilder) level. Also, due to the power point system, you could use the Telekinetic Powers many more times per day then you could cast the spell. I'm toying with a Githyanki Wilder atm. It will give me slightly better HPs and BAB, light armor, and both racial and class based Powers will be Cha based compared to a Psion. Plus as a Gith I will get a few extra PPs and Telekinetic Thrust 3 extra times per day (at level 9). Is the +2 ECL worth it for this template? Here's the base class progression, please feel free to comment. levels 1-2 - Githyanki levels 3-10 - Wilder 1-8 levels 11-15 - MotUH 1-5 levels 16-20 - Wilder 9-13 Caster level with Telekinesis and BaB with Telekinesis wielded weapons will be 18.
pawsplay 06-17-04, 11:15 PM	Looks pretty solid. I know the Metamind gets no love, but it seems like you could probably do something rude with MotUH and excessive telekinetics.
Gerdreg 06-18-04, 08:17 AM	Still working on my template. Thinking of going with a non-ECL race so I can get Wilder to 15 at level 20. It specifically says under the MotUH that you can't use any weapon feats (like weapon focus or power attack) while wielding a weapon telekinetically, but that doesn't prohibit you from using class abilities (or feats) to augment the telekinesis itself. If you use Wild Surge (or Overchannel) you raise your manifester level, which will will also raise you BAB with a telekinetically wielded weapon. At level 20 (15 Wilder/ 5 MotUH), while using Wild Surge +5, my manifester level with Telekinetic Powers will be 25, making my BAB 25. Would my attacks at this point be +25/+20/+15/+10/+5, or do epic rules still apply, limiting me to 4 attacks per round despite a 20+ BAB?
Gerdreg 06-18-04, 08:39 AM	At level 20 using Improved Violent Thrust augmented by Wild Surge +5, I could hurl 25 weapons at upto 25 different targets with a BAB of 25, using my Cha bonus (which should at least +8 at that level) to damage. If I were using arrows, total damage in one attack, assuming all hit, would be 25d4 (small weapons count as thrown daggers for this use) + 200. Average Damage would be about 262 pts.
Gerdreg 06-21-04, 12:55 PM	Still working on this concept, though doesn't seem anyone else is very interested in commenting on it :P I've decided to go with a human with the Githyanki bloodline. It doesn't really add much more than (gasp) role-playing flavor, but it doesn't take away anything either, as bloodline levels add to caster levels.