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Zareneth
05-28-07, 10:58 PM What are his domains? Also, why is he more of a Minotaur deity than a Goat/Satyr deity? Baphomet has always had a goat head, not a bull.
Shemeska the Marauder
05-28-07, 11:58 PM Also, why is he more of a Minotaur deity than a Goat/Satyr deity? Baphomet has always had a goat head, not a bull.

DnD's Baphomet has always had the bull motif and minotaurs thing going for him, versus some real world traditions which depict baphomet as having a goat head (though this goat headed tradition was historically late compared to say the accusations of the templar trials in France which had "baphomet" as an idol crafted from a human head or a silver plated skull).

DnD's baphomet is really his own creature entirely, as opposed to being purely based on the numerous real world traditions.
Zareneth
05-29-07, 12:26 AM What about his domains?
Theskippingman
05-29-07, 01:01 AM IIRC, he's a cosmic power/fiendish exemplar, implying an absence of worshipers and no domains.

Theskippingman
Zareneth
05-29-07, 01:23 AM Well, what I've found, he has quite a following of minotaur and the like.
Shemeska the Marauder
05-29-07, 01:36 AM What about his domains?

Depends on the source, but Faiths & Pantheons lists his granted domains as: Animal, Chaos, Evil, Hatred, Retribution

Fiendish Codex I listed them as: Chaos, Evil, Fury, Strength

Dragon magazine #341 listed them as: Chaos, Evil, Strength, and Bestial.
ripvanwormer
05-29-07, 10:42 AM A lot of the demons that serve Baphomet are goatlike. He's the patron of minotaurs rather than satyrs because satyrs aren't generally chaotic evil, but any chaotic evil satyrs would probably worship him as well.
Naderion
05-29-07, 10:53 AM Aren't the insane Bulezaus his creation? They a large goat-headed humanoid demons.
ripvanwormer
05-29-07, 07:21 PM Aren't the insane Bulezaus his creation?

Yep.
Prak, the Mad
05-29-07, 08:00 PM A lot of the demons that serve Baphomet are goatlike. He's the patron of minotaurs rather than satyrs because satyrs aren't generally chaotic evil, but any chaotic evil satyrs would probably worship him as well.

well... there are the neutrally aligned ibixens(or whatever) from MM2...
Soel Griffin
05-30-07, 02:05 AM See also the goat demons from Ghostwalk, which fit Baphy better but are attributed to Orcus (he's the big evil in the setting.)
Prak, the Mad
05-30-07, 12:28 PM This reminds me of when I bought the dragon issue with him in it merely in the hope of a proper representation of him (he figures into my religion in a big way, for me, but less so for others...)... he was still more bull than goat, and seemed rather dim... I was quite disappointed... wrote a letter, but it never got published...

edit: just figured out why it never got published... I sent to the wrong email address... to that of some random fundamentlaist I was probably either messing with or correcting...
Theskippingman
05-30-07, 10:23 PM One can't very well construct a single 'proper' iteration of the mythical "Baphomet", as there is no definitive, extant documentation for it.

Neither the etymology, nor the precise origin, can be pinpointed through research; it may well have been a syncretism after the fact. The first appearance on the historical record was in relevance to the the inquisition of the "Knights Templar" lot of the middle ages period, but not more than speculation.

In D&D iteration is primarily geared towards minotaurs, who, being reflective of their master, are "dim".

So when getting down to it, there is not a firm rationale for seeking or postulating a 'true' or 'proper' representation of a nebulous concept for which no definite or historical precedant exists, especially not in the context of D&D for fun, which is already conglomeration of mythical concepts syncretized for fun.

Theskippingman
sciborg2
05-31-07, 02:34 AM In D&D iteration is primarily geared towards minotaurs, who, being reflective of their master, are "dim".

Actually Bapho is pretty bright, he even has hisself a Tower o' Science...I think he built it after watching Army of Darkness and figured he could beat his enemies with some of that sciencey stuff.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zareneth 05-28-07, 10:58 PM	What are his domains? Also, why is he more of a Minotaur deity than a Goat/Satyr deity? Baphomet has always had a goat head, not a bull.
Shemeska the Marauder 05-28-07, 11:58 PM	Also, why is he more of a Minotaur deity than a Goat/Satyr deity? Baphomet has always had a goat head, not a bull. DnD's Baphomet has always had the bull motif and minotaurs thing going for him, versus some real world traditions which depict baphomet as having a goat head (though this goat headed tradition was historically late compared to say the accusations of the templar trials in France which had "baphomet" as an idol crafted from a human head or a silver plated skull). DnD's baphomet is really his own creature entirely, as opposed to being purely based on the numerous real world traditions.
Zareneth 05-29-07, 12:26 AM	What about his domains?
Theskippingman 05-29-07, 01:01 AM	IIRC, he's a cosmic power/fiendish exemplar, implying an absence of worshipers and no domains. Theskippingman
Zareneth 05-29-07, 01:23 AM	Well, what I've found, he has quite a following of minotaur and the like.
Shemeska the Marauder 05-29-07, 01:36 AM	What about his domains? Depends on the source, but Faiths & Pantheons lists his granted domains as: Animal, Chaos, Evil, Hatred, Retribution Fiendish Codex I listed them as: Chaos, Evil, Fury, Strength Dragon magazine #341 listed them as: Chaos, Evil, Strength, and Bestial.
ripvanwormer 05-29-07, 10:42 AM	A lot of the demons that serve Baphomet are goatlike. He's the patron of minotaurs rather than satyrs because satyrs aren't generally chaotic evil, but any chaotic evil satyrs would probably worship him as well.
Naderion 05-29-07, 10:53 AM	Aren't the insane Bulezaus his creation? They a large goat-headed humanoid demons.
ripvanwormer 05-29-07, 07:21 PM	Aren't the insane Bulezaus his creation? Yep.
Prak, the Mad 05-29-07, 08:00 PM	A lot of the demons that serve Baphomet are goatlike. He's the patron of minotaurs rather than satyrs because satyrs aren't generally chaotic evil, but any chaotic evil satyrs would probably worship him as well. well... there are the neutrally aligned ibixens(or whatever) from MM2...
Soel Griffin 05-30-07, 02:05 AM	See also the goat demons from Ghostwalk, which fit Baphy better but are attributed to Orcus (he's the big evil in the setting.)
Prak, the Mad 05-30-07, 12:28 PM	This reminds me of when I bought the dragon issue with him in it merely in the hope of a proper representation of him (he figures into my religion in a big way, for me, but less so for others...)... he was still more bull than goat, and seemed rather dim... I was quite disappointed... wrote a letter, but it never got published... edit: just figured out why it never got published... I sent to the wrong email address... to that of some random fundamentlaist I was probably either messing with or correcting...
Theskippingman 05-30-07, 10:23 PM	One can't very well construct a single 'proper' iteration of the mythical "Baphomet", as there is no definitive, extant documentation for it. Neither the etymology, nor the precise origin, can be pinpointed through research; it may well have been a syncretism after the fact. The first appearance on the historical record was in relevance to the the inquisition of the "Knights Templar" lot of the middle ages period, but not more than speculation. In D&D iteration is primarily geared towards minotaurs, who, being reflective of their master, are "dim". So when getting down to it, there is not a firm rationale for seeking or postulating a 'true' or 'proper' representation of a nebulous concept for which no definite or historical precedant exists, especially not in the context of D&D for fun, which is already conglomeration of mythical concepts syncretized for fun. Theskippingman
sciborg2 05-31-07, 02:34 AM	In D&D iteration is primarily geared towards minotaurs, who, being reflective of their master, are "dim". Actually Bapho is pretty bright, he even has hisself a Tower o' Science...I think he built it after watching Army of Darkness and figured he could beat his enemies with some of that sciencey stuff.