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| RealSorceror04-16-07, 12:17 PM | EDIT: Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. All these problems have been solve-ed. Feel free to continue discussing my awsomeness, as my Ego is also the size of a city. :) NOTE: This thread has also become the Unofficial Hangout Thread for my playgroup, and contains many posts that are irrelevant to the topic, and which may not make sense to the majority of the internet populace. UPDATE: Dotrak, known to his friends as "Thunderclese", is now a DR 6 Lesser Deity. He has just taken the Craft Artifact and Create Object salient abilities. Dotrak now intends to rebuild his metal robotic shell as an Epic Major Artifact, thereby making him impervious to physical harm, albiet with a specific method of destruction which I shall not reveal online. UPDATE: Dotrak has been renamed "Whurrak" so that I'm not completly ripping off Goodman Games and their amazing DragonMech products. :D ------------------ Ready for some bizarre diety questions? Anyways, I'm using rules from another d20 setting called DragonMech, and basically my character has become a robot the size of a city (about 2,000 feet tall, and 1,200 feet wide). In fact, he more or less is a city, as there are rooms and people inside of him. Just recently, this enormous character has become god of cities and technology. This creates several interesting problems that normal deities don't have to deal with: 1) I'm bigger than my divine realm. Much bigger. And It'll be this way until I reach a very high divine rank. How should I handle this? Can part of the city inside of me be my divine realm? Can I even enter my divine realm without altering my size? 2) Teleportation. It says I can only bring a small number of objects and people with me when I use my divine teleport ability. Unfortunetly, I have thousands of people and their stuff inside of me. Using the normal rules, these people will end up a 1,000 feet off the ground if I teleport away, and they will probably die from the fall damage. That sucks. Can people and objects inside of me count as part of me for the purposes of teleportation? Is there any easy way I can bring that many people with me (I'm a lvl 60 god, so cost isn't much of an issue)? These are the most pressing issues, but being a moving Collossal+ city creates all kinds of oddball situations. :) |
| Screams_of_the_Oak04-16-07, 12:33 PM | In your setting, what is the definition of "you". Is it the body you possess, or your soul? |
| RealSorceror04-16-07, 12:51 PM | In your setting, what is the definition of "you". Is it the body you possess, or your soul? Hmm, good question, I'll have to ask the DM. I'd probably say its the soul. The actual machine only moves because my spirit inhabits it. However, the rules for a Spirit Mech do not provide a size catogary for the spirit, and in fact don't really treat the spirit as seperate from the mech (unless a cleric attemps to turn the spirit). That might fix the divine realm problem, but it doesn't really help the teleportation issue. :( |
| Zenogias04-16-07, 01:21 PM | 2,000 by 1,200 isn't that big by city standards my friend, although for a vehicle it's definately worth mentioning. In any case, use the same trick that others in normal DnD use to transport other people. Make your insides, or part of your insides out of the same material or under the same magical property as the bag of holding. Since they technicaly exist in this 'sub-space', even if you move about, as long as that portal can be opened back up to your innerds, it will be wherever you exist as long as you are still in one piece. |
| RealSorceror04-16-07, 01:31 PM | 2,000 by 1,200 isn't that big by city standards my friend, although for a vehicle it's definately worth mentioning. In any case, use the same trick that others in normal DnD use to transport other people. Make your insides, or part of your insides out of the same material or under the same magical property as the bag of holding. Since they technicaly exist in this 'sub-space', even if you move about, as long as that portal can be opened back up to your innerds, it will be wherever you exist as long as you are still in one piece. Ooooh! That is a good idea. And yes, I realize I'm not even a mile tall, but still, I've never heard of a Collossal+ PC. Any ideas about the Divine realm? Isn't it supposed to be bigger if its in an outer plane like Mechanus? |
| sciborg204-16-07, 05:30 PM | Since they technicaly exist in this 'sub-space', even if you move about, as long as that portal can be opened back up to your innerds, it will be wherever you exist as long as you are still in one piece. Great use of pointers ;) |
| LeuktheSavior04-16-07, 09:02 PM | I imagine that your realm would be inside your mech. |
| RealSorceror04-17-07, 10:15 AM | I imagine that your realm would be inside your mech. I'd imagine the same thing, except that the mech is my physical body. |
| Archangel6204-17-07, 10:59 AM | You could rule that the city-mech is an incarnation of the diety. Or perhaps built from the body of a dead god that is now regaining consciousness? Just an idea. |
| RealSorceror04-17-07, 11:07 AM | You could rule that the city-mech is an incarnation of the diety. Hmm, that actually would fit into the backstory. The actual diety that this character is based on is Dotrak, an infant diety with no physical form. My character is more or less his first Cleric, and they have somehow become one being. |
| Orchomenos04-18-07, 09:04 AM | I understand your problem about Teleportation. You are a City, with a population inside (how many exactly? let's say 10 000), and this population is a part of you. It would make sense and would be extremely cool to suddenly see a city in the middle of nowhere, with all its merchants, artisans, scholars, etc. However, no one will allow a low-level god to Teleport 10 000 people. Teleportation-wise, a human commoner and a Titan both count as 1 person, so if you suddenly Teleport somewhere with an army of 10 000 Titans, you could easily overcome any deity of largely greater status than you. You could perhaps just be a large building, the central palace of your city. This way, you will fit the size of your realm, and you will have much less person affected when you teleport away. Another idea would be to have a few identical cities (or sub-urb, or district) in each place where you are worshipped. Each of these cities would be an available receptacle for your Soul, so when you Teleport away, only your soul is teleported. |
| RealSorceror04-18-07, 09:58 AM | I understand your problem about Teleportation. You are a City, with a population inside (how many exactly? let's say 10 000), and this population is a part of you. It would make sense and would be extremely cool to suddenly see a city in the middle of nowhere, with all its merchants, artisans, scholars, etc. Yup, I'm basically a walking mechanical skyscapper. I'm also god of Warforged, Engines, and Cities, and most of the citizens are Warforged (I'd say around 6,000+ people). The DM has allowed me to introduce steam and clockwork technology into the campaign, which should add an interesting alternative to magic. However, no one will allow a low-level god to Teleport 10 000 people. Teleportation-wise, a human commoner and a Titan both count as 1 person, so if you suddenly Teleport somewhere with an army of 10 000 Titans, you could easily overcome any deity of largely greater status than you. No need for Titans, I've got over four-dozen battle mechs located in hangers in my feet. Anyone with ranks in Mech Pilot can go to town in those suckers. I took on a PC's greater god, but he walloped me good. Most NPC deities are a piece of cake, though. Now, teleportation within the same plane is not really a problem. I have an incredible land speed (400+ ft) and I can fly simliar to an Eberron airship, so I can just go places using mundane means. Traveling between planes (especially between Material plane and Mechanus) is the major issue. I could build a permanent portal in the city and allow everyone to travel ahead of me and wait on the other side, but that would be extremely time consuming and incovenient. You could perhaps just be a large building, the central palace of your city. This way, you will fit the size of your realm, and you will have much less person affected when you teleport away. I could, but then I would be unable to personally control the mech (it would have to be controlled manually by the citizens). Plus, what if I want to escape from combat? I can't just leave everyone in the city alone with whatever I was fighting. Another idea would be to have a few identical cities (or sub-urb, or district) in each place where you are worshipped. Each of these cities would be an available receptacle for your Soul, so when you Teleport away, only your soul is teleported. Well, I am god of cities. I can veiw major cities with my remote veiwing, and they are the major part of my portfolio. I'll talk the DM and playgroup about that idea. |
| spectralphoenix04-18-07, 10:50 AM | Perhaps the Divine realm extends from you're body? meaning inside you and X feet around? |
| RealSorceror04-18-07, 01:58 PM | Perhaps the Divine realm extends from you're body? meaning inside you and X feet around? That would make it absolutely huge. I'm only a demigod. I'm leaning toward the idea that its a space inside me. |
| jareddm04-18-07, 03:04 PM | I'm still trying to imagine all of this... Any artists out there specilized in giant mechanical gods? My take on this would be that while everything inside of you is a part of you, you can only directly control a small portion of it at a time. Everything that you're not directly overseeing would be in the hands of the people. A person doesn't have direct control over the flow of their blood or the speed of their growth. You should still be able to teleport your entire body at once and bring everyone inside with you, but your divine power would not extend past a point inside of your body. |
| RealSorceror04-18-07, 03:20 PM | I'm still trying to imagine all of this... Any artists out there specilized in giant mechanical gods? Actually, yes. This is a real d20 system setting. There are other City-Mechs, but none of them are sentient like me. Heres the homepage. http://www.goodman-games.com/WW17600preview.php My take on this would be that while everything inside of you is a part of you, you can only directly control a small portion of it at a time. Everything that you're not directly overseeing would be in the hands of the people. A person doesn't have direct control over the flow of their blood or the speed of their growth. You should still be able to teleport your entire body at once and bring everyone inside with you, but your divine power would not extend past a point inside of your body. I can live with that. :) |
| The Ubbergeek04-18-07, 04:36 PM | Githyankis have forteress built or carved on dead gods's bodies, and somes are truely HUGE.... so there... |
| setekh04-18-07, 05:44 PM | I'm still trying to imagine all of this... Any artists out there specilized in giant mechanical gods? I'd just imagine Fortress Maximus / Scorponok from the original Transformers personally, while described as city formers they were a "Mere" Twelve hundred feet tall or so. Although all this has given nefarious plans and schemes for a campaign I'm (Sorta) Writing... |
| Zenogias04-19-07, 01:15 AM | I'd just imagine Fortress Maximus / Scorponok from the original Transformers personally, while described as city formers they were a "Mere" Twelve hundred feet tall or so. Although all this has given nefarious plans and schemes for a campaign I'm (Sorta) Writing... How's that campaign you've been working on? You know, The one you've been working on for three years? Hmm? :P |
| RealSorceror04-19-07, 10:50 AM | Githyankis have forteress built or carved on dead gods's bodies, and somes are truely HUGE.... so there... Oh ya? Well I have the Sword of Slaughter. The Cannon of Fear. The Missiles of Unmentionable Terror. and The Battle Shere of Doom. :P |
| setekh04-19-07, 09:37 PM | How's that campaign you've been working on? You know, The one you've been working on for three years? Hmm? :P Hasn't been that long... *Counts* Okay maybe. But I have reasons. |
| Luis_Dragunov05-05-07, 09:06 PM | I can't help but imagine a Colossus from Shadow of, well... thereof xD Really, really awesome concept. The rules, of course, were not made for such a trully epic campaign. My advice? Talk to your DM. The only compromise I see is that, unless you're on the outer planes, your mechanical body is your realm |
| RealSorceror05-07-07, 12:46 PM | I can't help but imagine a Colossus from Shadow of, well... thereof xD Really, really awesome concept. We've had a few Shadows of the Collossus moments. The city-demigod duked it out with a lesser Dwarven diety. 3,500 Hp later, we called it a draw (because I still had 8,000 hp left). :P The rules, of course, were not made for such a trully epic campaign. Believe me, I'm well aware that DragonMech and Dieties and Demigods where never, ever meant to be in the same room together. Thats why I had to do it. :D My advice? Talk to your DM. The only compromise I see is that, unless you're on the outer planes, your mechanical body is your realm Yep, that what the DM has decided, which works just fine for me. That will keep other dieties from getting inside the mech (my insides are my only real weakness). |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2005-30-07, 06:25 PM | "I took on a PC's greater god, but he walloped me good." I did that.In one hit, might I add. We really need to find out if I really can destroy you with Annihilating Strike, otherwise I'll just have to hit you in the important parts. I love my Dwarven god, he's like superman only he stands for money, chaos, and the mercenary way. With great power comes Divine Blast. "The city-demigod duked it out with a lesser Dwarven diety. 3,500 Hp later, we called it a draw (because I still had 8,000 hp left)." Yup, I did that too. My son, I'm so proud of him. They grow up so fast, then they try to take on walking cities just for giggles. *sigh* I think we've decided that the wedding ceremony will be in Dotrak-that way we don't have to worry about every evil tom, dick, and harry trying to destroy my entire clan. They better not get too close, my Dwarves may spread some of that good taint around.:D |
| Scalamander05-30-07, 06:57 PM | Maybe you could modify the teleportation spell in the interests of flavor and mechanics. Instead of instantly appearing on the outer plane why not make it a multiple round process of you phasing into existence there. This could allow you to have limited actions which slowly increased as you became wholly on that plane. Perhaps there could also be some bonuses to attack you while in this in-between state. Again all that would require serious mangling of the teleportation ability, but then again it wasn't really designed with city-gods in mind. Perhaps a unique ability like the one above is more suitable. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold05-31-07, 12:11 PM | this is all great and all, but to get back to teleporting all those people..hmm, dont really have an answer, but this kobold does have a solution. ^_^ to keep all the important people from going splat when you teleport, since they would be falling a good distance, equip everyone with parachutes, or at least cloaks of pegasus. ^^ coarse then they have to huff it when the battle stops but...schmee. maybe you could have a claxon that sounds every time your about to teleport. >.> |
| RealSorceror05-31-07, 01:43 PM | Ah, Angus and Cain, welcome to the forums. :D you rat bastards...... |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2005-31-07, 02:09 PM | Ah, Angus and Cain, welcome to the forums. :D Yup, I'm diggin it. Well, Dotrak, Junior has been gearing up for his battle with Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques all week, its sorta scary. I know he foams at the mouth usually, but now he has a glazed look in his eyes. I've never seen my son quite so angry-except maybe that time the mindflayer actually tried to grapple him.:D |
| TurnCloak_Kobold05-31-07, 02:48 PM | Ah, Angus and Cain, welcome to the forums. :D you rat bastards...... >.> my identity has been compromised, take this dotrak *throws a dwarf blinding stone at the construcs face and hides in his shadow.* >.>...... <.<...... |
| RealSorceror06-01-07, 12:20 PM | >.> my identity has been compromised, take this dotrak *throws a dwarf blinding stone at the construcs face and hides in his shadow.* >.>...... <.<...... ............you realize my face is 1,800ft off the ground, right? ........and I can't be blinded. Does a Spot check of 143 see you? |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-03-07, 12:52 PM | >.>.....noooo, and uhm.....cheater *throws said dwarf blinding stone at his own feet like a lash bomb.* |
| Rohano06-03-07, 02:06 PM | I'm very familiar with Dragonmech (it rests near the foot of my bed) and though I despise White Wolf and everything White Wolf stands for, I have to admit that Dragonmech is a decent resource for d20 steampunk and mech roleplaying. I do have some questions and a query about your planar dilemma: -What is your setting? Eberron-meets-Highpoint? This makes for a lot of cosmic complications in my mind. -If including Highpoint, are lunar dragons and rain present? -You're an Assimilated in a city-mech, right? If you are, you have no humanity left. You're a cold machine that thinks only to preserve itself. In order to even allow a population to live in you, they'd have to present a huge benefit other than just firing at hostiles from your viewports. I'm sure the relationship between cold machine and passengers could be dissected further but it's not really very important. -I would assume that if you made that achievement of being an Assimilated city-mech, Dotrak would have something to say. It's up to the DM to decide if Dotrak supports or rejects assimilated but if he accepts you, I think you would make a great direct servant. Divine Emissary or something. Or even a lesser god under Dotrak. But if he rejects you, I can see why you'd go into the divine business for yourself. -If serving under Dotrak, do you have levels as Vessel of Dotrak? That'd make you a giant sentient golden city-mech. I would totally do that just so I could brag to people. "Dude, I'm a sentient city with a soul. And legs. And made of gold." -Have you tangled with the lunar gods? I would make a point to blast that moon out of the sky if I were on a Highpoint-esque world. -What's your power source? Have you attempted to "upgrade" your power source (ie. from steam to clockwork)? -Has your DM stated that if you use plane shift, you will vanish and your inhabitants will fall to their dooms? Or will everything inside you also be transported? As for the divine realm... there's a few different interpretations I can present. The divine realm is a location you choose. A static location preferably on an outer plane where you would find solace from Prime woes. In your situation, you'd probably be comfortable in Mechanus. From here there's two sub-issues. a. Either you transfer your soul (as a disembodied force) into the divine realm and remotely control your body (which itself would not possess your divine powers but would have all of your other stats, unless you get a high enough divine rank to make it an avatar), or you can see if your DM will make your realm a nonstatic location centered on some location of the citymech. My recommendation would be to fill the room where your original body is (a core, where your brain is hooked up and so on) with defensive measures and your artifacts and loot and make it your core. Or put something else important onboard for your center, such as a planar touchstone or some other object of power (a gate is a good choice, or a building-sized artifact, like a lightning-shooting pillar or something). b. If your realm is a static location and you can't fit in it, would your DM let you qualify as "inside your divine realm" if you put a single part of you inside it? For instance, if your citymech has hands, will you get your benefits if you put a finger in your realm? |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-03-07, 03:27 PM | I'm so upset that they closed the Miss Multiverse thread, at least I made the attempt to be respectful. Unofficially, Mitsuko won by one vote. Shemeska gave us a run for our money, though. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-03-07, 10:51 PM | Either you transfer your soul (as a disembodied force) into the divine realm and remotely control your body (which itself would not possess your divine powers but would have all of your other stats, unless you get a high enough divine rank to make it an avatar The words Dotrak and avatar should never be in the same room as each other. The last thing I need is an army of giant robots, who happen to be twice as tall as the Empire State Building, running around my campaign setting-entire nations would die if even one of them failed a balance check. If your realm is a static location and you can't fit in it, would your DM let you qualify as "inside your divine realm" if you put a single part of you inside it? For instance, if your citymech has hands, will you get your benefits if you put a finger in your realm? Nope, because then the Dwarven God really would kill Dotrak with one hand behind his back (and in his divine realm).;) What works for giant robots works for all of us. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-03-07, 11:42 PM | heheh, dotrack is so much easier to kill from the inside out, plus theres lots of shiny things inside, with lots of silly mechanical priests that are incredibly anoying when it comes to taking back tere pieces of shiny rock that may or may not have parts of dotracks soul in it. >.>...and i am so giving his nexus core a good punch the next time i am there, i figure it will be like punching his kidney or something. |
| Ertai Planeswalker06-03-07, 11:43 PM | In the book there are several deities with custom SDA's. There is no reason why a divine realm of a city god would have to follow the exact same rules as that of a humanoid god. I mean, sometimes size does matter. |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 10:07 AM | I'm very familiar with Dragonmech (it rests near the foot of my bed) and though I despise White Wolf and everything White Wolf stands for, I have to admit that Dragonmech is a decent resource for d20 steampunk and mech roleplaying. Sweet, someone who knows the material! Lets get started on those questions: -What is your setting? Eberron-meets-Highpoint? This makes for a lot of cosmic complications in my mind. With our house rules Dieties are able to use their teleport ability to travel between different material planes. I originated in Highpoint and teleported myself to our homebrew material plane. -If including Highpoint, are lunar dragons and rain present? No lunar monsters traveled with me (that I am aware of ;)). -You're an Assimilated in a city-mech, right? If you are, you have no humanity left. You're a cold machine that thinks only to preserve itself. In order to even allow a population to live in you, they'd have to present a huge benefit other than just firing at hostiles from your viewports. I'm sure the relationship between cold machine and passengers could be dissected further but it's not really very important. You are correct, but I've gotten around all those problems. My character was originally a Warforged and didn't have a normal personality to begin with. The transformation from little machine to giant machine was not nearly as traumatic for him as it would be for a living person. Also, over 80% of the city's population is constructs. The others are Dwarves and Humans, many of which use their steampowers and magic to repair and augment the city-mech, and are therefore extremely useful. -I would assume that if you made that achievement of being an Assimilated city-mech, Dotrak would have something to say. It's up to the DM to decide if Dotrak supports or rejects assimilated but if he accepts you, I think you would make a great direct servant. Divine Emissary or something. Or even a lesser god under Dotrak. But if he rejects you, I can see why you'd go into the divine business for yourself. :tongue: The thing is, I am Dotrak. I've already worked out the storyline with my playgroup. I started out as a Warforged disciple of Dotrak, and he chose me as his physical body (being an infant god he still lacked a physical form, and a willing city-mech host was just too good to pass up). -If serving under Dotrak, do you have levels as Vessel of Dotrak? That'd make you a giant sentient golden city-mech. I would totally do that just so I could brag to people. "Dude, I'm a sentient city with a soul. And legs. And made of gold." Too late, I already did it! -Have you tangled with the lunar gods? I would make a point to blast that moon out of the sky if I were on a Highpoint-esque world. The moon shouldnt be a problem, although I'd have to make sure it doesn't just split into pieces and crash. As an epic player made character I can put the hurt on almost anything thats not player made (including other dieties of higher rank), so I think I can handle those lunar gods. Do they have stats anywhere? -What's your power source? Have you attempted to "upgrade" your power source (ie. from steam to clockwork)? Its a clockwork mech but is also partly fueled by a Nexus Core (a giant divine engine from the Iron Kingdoms setting. Ya, we cross over material a lot). -Has your DM stated that if you use plane shift, you will vanish and your inhabitants will fall to their dooms? Or will everything inside you also be transported? We've decided that everything comes with me so long as its inside. Anything I'm carrying outside works normally (it counts agianst the number of creatures and objects I can transport). As for the divine realm... there's a few different interpretations I can present. The divine realm is a location you choose. A static location preferably on an outer plane where you would find solace from Prime woes. In your situation, you'd probably be comfortable in Mechanus. From here there's two sub-issues. a. Either you transfer your soul (as a disembodied force) into the divine realm and remotely control your body (which itself would not possess your divine powers but would have all of your other stats, unless you get a high enough divine rank to make it an avatar), or you can see if your DM will make your realm a nonstatic location centered on some location of the citymech. My recommendation would be to fill the room where your original body is (a core, where your brain is hooked up and so on) with defensive measures and your artifacts and loot and make it your core. Or put something else important onboard for your center, such as a planar touchstone or some other object of power (a gate is a good choice, or a building-sized artifact, like a lightning-shooting pillar or something). Actually, I think I finally have a true solution to this, assuming its legal. Are you familair with the Mech Symbiote prc? Can this be taken along with the Assimilated prc? If so it would allow me to detach myself from the mech, and therefore I would just be a medium sized warforged again (as an added benefit, I'd be able to regenerate my warforged body over and over so long as the mech is intact). As for where the divine realm is, we have all agreed it will be a nonstatic location within the mech. |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 10:18 AM | The words Dotrak and avatar should never be in the same room as each other. The last thing I need is an army of giant robots, who happen to be twice as tall as the Empire State Building, running around my campaign setting-entire nations would die if even one of them failed a balance check. Oh, don't worry, I'm never going to take the avatar ability. Not only would it kill whole ecosystems, but the amount of math and work required would hurt my brain too much. Btw, I wanted to talk to you about creating that salient ability based off of Unholy Toughness. Granted, we all know Dotrak doesn't need any more hp, but Thundercleese sure as hell does. I have a feeling I'll be using the "little" guy more often, and he pops pretty past, even against non-deities. |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 10:21 AM | heheh, dotrack is so much easier to kill from the inside out, plus theres lots of shiny things inside, with lots of silly mechanical priests that are incredibly anoying when it comes to taking back tere pieces of shiny rock that may or may not have parts of dotracks soul in it. >.>...and i am so giving his nexus core a good punch the next time i am there, i figure it will be like punching his kidney or something. You better watch your back, Peter Cotton Tail. :D |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-04-07, 11:26 AM | Btw, I wanted to talk to you about creating that salient ability based off of Unholy Toughness. Sure, I've already been working on one for an undead deity I've had in my back pocket. It's almost identical to Unholy Toughness(as far as HP is concerned) and you use your charisma modifier for any abilities based on your constitution (Divine Shield and the like). I also made an older version of the same ability (for a vampire god who, no pun intended, never saw the light of day) called Feed on the Living. It basically says that if you lack a constitution score, but have abilities based on con, you use the con score of the creature with the highest constitution score within 1 mile/ divine rank. It also had some HP draining qualities, but we can ignore that for creatures it doesn't fit. I think that these abilities would work for Dotrak, or some combination of the two. What do you think? |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 11:59 AM | Sure, I've already been working on one for an undead deity I've had in my back pocket. It's almost identical to Unholy Toughness(as far as HP is concerned) and you use your charisma modifier for any abilities based on your constitution (Divine Shield and the like). I also made an older version of the same ability (for a vampire god who, no pun intended, never saw the light of day) called Feed on the Living. It basically says that if you lack a constitution score, but have abilities based on con, you use the con score of the creature with the highest constitution score withing 1 mile/ divine rank. It also had some HP draining qualities, but we can ignore that for creatures it doesn't fit. I think that these abilities would work for Dotrak, or some combination of the two. What do you think? An ability similiar to Unholy Toughness would give Thundercleese another 10 hp per HD (his CHA mod is 10). As we saw with Bo, Thunder got taken down in just 2 rounds (it would be 1 round with most of our other deities), and is obviously hurting from having no Constitution score. The only drawback (for any DM) would be that Dotrak's already stupid hp would nearly double (still not a threat to Junior, lol). Do we have a god of hit points yet? |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-04-07, 12:15 PM | God of hit points, Dotrak, I thought that was you. I do understand your problem though- it one thing to be taken down by a Dwarven Greater Deity, who has been described as the Goku of our world, or Junior, the Dwarven wrecking ball, but the bunny was too much for me. You need to trap those doors or something.:) |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-04-07, 12:45 PM | Dotrak, when we finish those Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques you should take a crack at them. I really want to see what the giant robot can do, and fighting other gods isn't always a good field test. |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 01:01 PM | Dotrak, when we finish those Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques you should take a crack at them. I really want to see what the giant robot can do, and fighting other gods isn't always a good field test. MechaGodzilla ftw! Are there any evacuated cities we could use? We theres gonna be a kaiju fight, there needs to be lots of unnecessary collateral damage. :D |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-04-07, 01:09 PM | Yeah, at the top of the world there are floating ruins. Then you can duke it out like some old school Godzilla creature feature- throw down in the ocean. Junior just punted them where he found them. Thankfully,they were too big for him to bullrush, otherwise he would've kicked them into something.:) |
| Rohano06-04-07, 02:03 PM | Moonshards would be a problem if you simply punched the moon. If you have the ability to fly under your own power, I'd bull rush it a few million kilometers away or simply drive it into an asteroid belt or another planet or even a star if I could get away with it. Making your citymech spaceworthy might be difficult, however. Such an undertaking would be quite expensive, assuming you knew the technology (reinforcing for vacuum and temperature differences). Dragonmech has descriptions of the lunar gods but not statistical information, but I think it would be easy to write up your own divine stats for them based on the available information on them and their subjects. Mech Symbiote is a prestige class I'm not familiar with. If it allows you to detach from your mech, you'd lose your Assimilated class abilities until you reattached. Assimilated isn't just about putting your soul in a mech, it's the total bond of two bodies that is never to be broken unless the mech needs to be rebuilt (in which case, an assimilated still wouldn't even consider breaking such a difficult bond to break). However, if Mech Symbiote offers more benefits, you might think about retraining your levels via PHbII. Of course, as a deity, you could probably retrain levels with the same amount of effort it takes to cast miracle. Have you considered putting yourself on this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=571327)? Might stir some imaginations. You also ought to consider posting your amalgamated setting on the Homebrew board. It sounds quite mind-boggling. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-04-07, 02:55 PM | You better watch your back, Peter Cotton Tail. :D hey, watch it thunder thighs :weep: this bunneh has feelings too you know. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-04-07, 02:58 PM | but the bunny was too much for me. You need to trap those doors or something.:) :eek: angus, how could you. :weep: telling him something that wouldent help anyway. :D even if he did manage to trap every single door in his entire city sized body, bo can still get through, i just have to go through a few peons wushu style. ^_^ |
| RealSorceror06-04-07, 03:00 PM | Moonshards would be a problem if you simply punched the moon. If you have the ability to fly under your own power, I'd bull rush it a few million kilometers away or simply drive it into an asteroid belt or another planet or even a star if I could get away with it. Making your citymech spaceworthy might be difficult, however. Such an undertaking would be quite expensive, assuming you knew the technology (reinforcing for vacuum and temperature differences). Well, as long as I'm connected to the mech it is considered to have all my divine benefits. The hull is a steel-adamantine alloy and is also magically hardened, with a total hardness of 45. That holds up against most natural forces. And yes, I can fly using primal fire and air elementals that are bound to the mech in a fashion similiar to the Eberron air-ships. I'm also on good terms with the dwarven god of strength, and he'd get a kick out of defeating gravity to shove a moon into the Sun. Dragonmech has descriptions of the lunar gods but not statistical information, but I think it would be easy to write up your own divine stats for them based on the available information on them and their subjects. Cool, it shouldn't be too difficult to do. We already have to make a lot of homebrew stuff just to match the power level of our deities and epic characters. Mech Symbiote is a prestige class I'm not familiar with. If it allows you to detach from your mech, you'd lose your Assimilated class abilities until you reattached. Assimilated isn't just about putting your soul in a mech, it's the total bond of two bodies that is never to be broken unless the mech needs to be rebuilt (in which case, an assimilated still wouldn't even consider breaking such a difficult bond to break). However, if Mech Symbiote offers more benefits, you might think about retraining your levels via PHbII. Of course, as a deity, you could probably retrain levels with the same amount of effort it takes to cast miracle. Both classes have their ups and downs, but are very similiar flavor wise. I should be able to take both at the same time. I completely agree that when I'm detached, the city mech becomes a normal machine. My divine abilities will just follow my sentience, switching between the mech (when attached) and my normal body (when unattached). Dotrak isn't so prideful that he wouldn't consider detaching himself when need be, especially if a powerful intruder manages to get inside the city, or if he needs to personally go someplace that a giant collossus can't fit (or rip open). Have you considered putting yourself on this thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=571327)? Might stir some imaginations. This oughta be good. :plotting: You also ought to consider posting your amalgamated setting on the Homebrew board. It sounds quite mind-boggling. Dwarven Fighter DR 20 is the creator of that world. I'm sure he'll want to go there and trumpet it's greatness. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-06-07, 02:08 AM | Our world is pretty cool. And I don't care what anyone thinks; its cool because I let my players run free, for the most part. The over deities house rule board seems to loath my existence as of late. I'm not trying to pick fights with anyone, they just seem to have it out for me. I understand that most DMs don't allow Epic characters, divine ascension for player characters, or huge player character walking cities- but that's what makes our campaigns fun. I'm really kinda bummed about this.:weep: |
| Deamon06-06-07, 02:34 AM | Your campaign world sounds cool, which is why sombody suggested you post it. I think that it sounds interesting also I don't think anybody on the overdeity thread loathes you. Some people don't allow divine ascension. Others do thats why I recommended the Immortals handbook, it's based around ascension and high epic (very high). By the way what cahricters are being played in your campaign? And what are the stats for Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques? |
| RealSorceror06-06-07, 11:17 AM | Your campaign world sounds cool, which is why sombody suggested you post it. I think that it sounds interesting also I don't think anybody on the overdeity thread loathes you. Some people don't allow divine ascension. Others do thats why I recommended the Immortals handbook, it's based around ascension and high epic (very high). I'm not as familair with the geography and history as the other players, but I can give you a quick rundown. Basically, as long as the group and current DM aprove, almost anything is allowed so long as you can explain it. Material from Forgotten Realms, Eberron, DragonMech, Rokugan, and other compatible D&D and d20 sources have been included. Psionics, Tome of Battle, Tome of Magic, Incarnum; nearly everything has seen play. The world itself is generally run by famous epic heroes and a pantheon of deities, all of whom are very active and visible in the world. The gods aren't distant beings with vague personalities. They activily live and participate in life on the Material Plain, and many of their worshipers personally know their deity. It makes for a very interesting and rich setting. :) By the way what charicters are being played in your campaign? My personal characters are: the City-sized God Dotrak - (also known as Thundercleese) An enormous clockwork mecha. Introduced steampunk technology. Ojike-Chan the Rat Lord - An all-round fun PC. He will soon be god of rodents. Hes a Nezumi Wererat who can create rat Hiveminds. Arson the Fire Crime - Fire Genasi Hellfire-Warlock. Dumb as a brick, but loyal as a hellhound. Loves burninating. Refers to fiends as "D-mans". Salaazar Slaan - Tainted Elven Archmage/Cleric. Future god of Death. Loves wearing his Mask of the Skull. I've got dozens more, but those are the most important. And what are the stats for Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques? :D Oh man, those things are hideous. I'll post their stats on Friday. They make liberal use of the Advanced Bestairy by Green Ronin. Theres an Amalgam template that allows any two (or more) creatures to be combined into one. Its helluva fun. There is also a Werecreature tempplate that allows any monster to be used as a lycathrope (thus, weretarrasque). |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-06-07, 11:44 AM | stupid repeated message |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-06-07, 11:52 AM | Right now, our campaign is almost like a huge team superhero comicbook, like X-Men, Justice League, or the Fantastic Four. I play one of the three highest deities- Our Dwarven god of Fire, Earth, Glory, and War. My wife Mitsuko is an ascended Astral Deva, Iaijutsu Master, Knight- she's another of our three high deities. She's our storm goddess, as well as the deity of air, love, beauty, pleasure, and joy. We have my friend's character, the one who has been there as long as I have, who is our god of magic and craftsmanship. Our second group is the lesser deities. We also have three. My character and Mitsuko's son- Junior is our Dwarven god of strength and courage. He is a fighter 20, legendary dreadnought 30, survivor 5, demolisher 5 (mongoose publishing), dwarf paragon 3, exotic weapon master 2. Junior's wife is our goddess of the sun and healing (she's like pelor, only sexy). And last, but not least is the adopted son of our god of magic- a Hecatoncheires dervish. The last rung is our demigods- Bo and Dotrak. Dotrak is god of technology (and big robots:) ), and Bo is our hengeyokai hare(bunny:D ) god of celerity and travel. I honestly can't say we have a war god- all of are characters fit the part. As for the Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques, you'll have to ask RealSorceror. I thought it might be fun to let the players make some ridiculous monsters for us to fight. It was a hoot.;) |
| Deamon06-06-07, 12:02 PM | Since you obviously play with a lot of books and at quite high levels (but not the highest) are there any books that you could recommend for epic levels? Currently I have only found five books written with epic in mind and am searching for more. Oh man, those things are hideous. I'll post their stats on Friday.Can't wait:) . Cool charicters by the way. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-06-07, 12:40 PM | BTW everyone, my computer is acting its age-way too old. I don't know why it posted my response twice. I hate technology, except you Dotrak.;) |
| RealSorceror06-06-07, 02:28 PM | Since you obviously play with a lot of books and at quite high levels (but not the highest) are there any books that you could recommend for epic levels? Currently I have only found five books written with epic in mind and am searching for more. Can't wait:) . Cool charicters by the way. Besides the aging Epic Handbook and the equally ancient Deities and Demigods, we don't have anything specifically designed for epic besides a few errata rules in the Complete series. We're basically in the same boat as you as far as material is concerned. |
| Deamon06-06-07, 03:46 PM | Right. In that case can I recommend Shadows and Light (http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=550), its designed for the Warcraft RPG (which is itself worth getting for the equipment, tinker and the prestige classes) but it has lots of epic NPCs and Godlike NPCs and a few nice monsters. I don't recommend The Book of Immortals (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=538&qsSeries=14), its rules are overly complex. I don't yet own Epic Monsters (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=1139&qsSeries=38), so I can't comment on it. The Immortals Handbook - Bestiary (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1290&qsSeries=43), I have in pdf form and is the best DnD book I have ever read. As a monster book it has 11 new epic feats, 4 (very powerful and cool) epic spells, 23 artifacts, 11 new weapon/armour enchantments, an epic wonderous item and one new special material. And of course some really cool monsters. |
| jareddm06-06-07, 04:51 PM | Right. In that case can I recommend Shadows and Light (http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=550), its designed for the Warcraft RPG (which is itself worth getting for the equipment, tinker and the prestige classes) but it has lots of epic NPCs and Godlike NPCs and a few nice monsters. I don't recommend The Book of Immortals (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=538&qsSeries=14), its rules are overly complex. I don't yet own Epic Monsters (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=1139&qsSeries=38), so I can't comment on it. The Immortals Handbook - Bestiary (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1290&qsSeries=43), I have in pdf form and is the best DnD book I have ever read. As a monster book it has 11 new epic feats, 4 (very powerful and cool) epic spells, 23 artifacts, 11 new weapon/armour enchantments, an epic wonderous item and one new special material. And of course some really cool monsters. I also recomend the The Immortal's Handbook, as it's perfect for putting the PCs on par with what people normally think of for D&D gods. |
| RealSorceror06-06-07, 04:57 PM | Right. In that case can I recommend Shadows and Light (http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=550), its designed for the Warcraft RPG (which is itself worth getting for the equipment, tinker and the prestige classes) but it has lots of epic NPCs and Godlike NPCs and a few nice monsters. I don't recommend The Book of Immortals (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=538&qsSeries=14), its rules are overly complex. I don't yet own Epic Monsters (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/d20/detail.php?qsID=1139&qsSeries=38), so I can't comment on it. The Immortals Handbook - Bestiary (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1290&qsSeries=43), I have in pdf form and is the best DnD book I have ever read. As a monster book it has 11 new epic feats, 4 (very powerful and cool) epic spells, 23 artifacts, 11 new weapon/armour enchantments, an epic wonderous item and one new special material. And of course some really cool monsters. I'm on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. :D |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-06-07, 05:23 PM | I'm on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. :D Classic, Dotrak, classic.:D |
| zzakk2to206-08-07, 11:52 AM | I would go with the people inside you are like the mircobes and food inside humans and because when a human teleports away you dont have their stomach contents and alot of germs hanging around the people and stuff inside you would just port with you. also with your realm inside you you could have a thing like a warforged in you that you can remote control so you can get into your realm or have it so you can take control of any willing warforged in you. also you should be able to know everything thats going on inside you because of the high concentration of people who follow you and priest and stuff. because living inside a god(you) would be included as a event that involves your portfolio and as long as you have 500 or more people in you. Portfolio Sense Demigods have a limited ability to sense events involving their portfolios. They automatically sense any event that involves one thousand or more people. The ability is limited to the present. Lesser deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios and affects five hundred or more people. Intermediate deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios, regardless of the number of people involved. In addition, their senses extend one week into the past for every divine rank they have. Greater deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios, regardless of the number of people involved. In addition, their senses extend one week into the past and one week into the future for every divine rank they have. When a deity senses an event, it merely knows that the event is occurring and where it is. The deity receives no sensory information about the event. Once a deity notices an event, it can use its remote sensing power to perceive the event. |
| RealSorceror06-08-07, 12:00 PM | I would go with the people inside you are like the mircobes and food inside humans and because when a human teleports away you dont have their stomach contents and alot of germs hanging around the people and stuff inside you would just port with you. also with your realm inside you you could have a thing like a warforged in you that you can remote control so you can get into your realm or have it so you can take control of any willing warforged in you. also you should be able to know everything thats going on inside you because of the high concentration of people who follow you and priest and stuff. because living inside a god(you) would be included as a event that involves your portfolio and as long as you have 500 or more people in you. Portfolio Sense Demigods have a limited ability to sense events involving their portfolios. They automatically sense any event that involves one thousand or more people. The ability is limited to the present. Lesser deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios and affects five hundred or more people. Intermediate deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios, regardless of the number of people involved. In addition, their senses extend one week into the past for every divine rank they have. Greater deities automatically sense any event that involves their portfolios, regardless of the number of people involved. In addition, their senses extend one week into the past and one week into the future for every divine rank they have. When a deity senses an event, it merely knows that the event is occurring and where it is. The deity receives no sensory information about the event. Once a deity notices an event, it can use its remote sensing power to perceive the event. Thanks for the impute, guy. However, all of the problems presented in the OP have been solve-ed. And for a little more information on the character, he actually is a Warforged that "plugs into" the mech, acting as it's brain. Thanks to some new Prcs, the character is now able to detach from the mech and therefore be played normally. Also, while connected the character feels everything on or inside the mech as if the metal shell where his skin, thus solving many other issuses. |
| zzakk2to206-08-07, 12:07 PM | still if the problems had not been solved it would have helped. |
| RealSorceror06-08-07, 12:11 PM | still if the problems had not been solved it would have helped. Oh, no doubt about it. I did say "thanks", and I meant it, too. :D |
| Deamon06-08-07, 12:43 PM | It's friday. Where are these Uberstats? |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-08-07, 01:08 PM | It's friday. Where are these Uberstats? Marruspawn Abomination Half-Tarrasque Weretarrasques-man, I just love saying that. They have to be some of the nastiest monsters I've ever seen, I probably would've died had I been using anything other than my god characters. I was so proud of Junior, he could put them down to 100 hp in one round. :D |
| RealSorceror06-08-07, 01:08 PM | It's friday. Where are these Uberstats? You don't miss a date, eh? :D I'll post them as soon as possible, probably between 4-6pm when game starts (and when I have the stats sheet). Off the top of my head I can tell you they have around 94 Outsider HD, have all of the abilities and qualities of both the Tarrasque and Marruspawn Abomination, and are Collosal sized and Nuetral Evil. Their physical scores are nearly twice that of the Tarrasque, while their mental scores are the average between the two creatures. And yes, they can pass on there special brand of lycanthropy, thereby creating new Marrasque. I'll be posting them without magic items or equipemnt, as that will be the easiest for me, and I trust you know how to equip a 94 HD Evil Outsider. ;) |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-10-07, 08:31 PM | You don't miss a date, eh? :D I'll post them as soon as possible, probably between 4-6pm when game starts (and when I have the stats sheet) The sheet was under the battlemat all weekend, BTW. It was right in front of you the whole time, Dotrak. I'll put it with the rest of the character sheets I've been collecting. :) |
| RealSorceror06-11-07, 09:49 AM | The sheet was under the battlemat all weekend, BTW. It was right in front of you the whole time, Dotrak. I'll put it with the rest of the character sheets I've been collecting. :) Those sneaky Marrasques! They are just so darn clever.. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-11-07, 12:45 PM | Those sneaky Marrasques! They are just so darn clever.. I want to fight one in my new DragonMech. I finally finished the character sheet, BTW. I love the Bore Puncher, I may even ditch the hooked axe to get another one- at least as an alternate weapon array. |
| RealSorceror06-11-07, 01:59 PM | I want to fight one in my new DragonMech. I finally finished the character sheet, BTW. I love the Bore Puncher, I may even ditch the hooked axe to get another one- at least as an alternate weapon array. Unarmed mechs are the best, in my humble opinion, and they are cheaper to boot. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-11-07, 08:41 PM | So there's a lot of living things in you. That's true of all of us. For most of us they're known as bacteria. Or parasites. Teleportation brings them along. Otherwise mundane diseases could be cured with a teleport spell. But they aren't. Bigger parasites are also brought with you. So why should people be different? |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 09:06 AM | So there's a lot of living things in you. That's true of all of us. For most of us they're known as bacteria. Or parasites. Teleportation brings them along. Otherwise mundane diseases could be cured with a teleport spell. But they aren't. Bigger parasites are also brought with you. So why should people be different? Why would people be different? Because they have weight and mass. Those bacteria, in game terms, have negligible weight and mass. Even if they counted against the weight limit of a teleport spell, it wouldn't matter, because they are effectively weightless. On the other hand, the Warforged and other constructs that make up my citizenry have weight and mass, and thus the original problem (although, this problem has already been solved). |
| zzakk2to206-12-07, 10:16 AM | what about the parasites like those worms things that can get up to 20 or more feet long. are they negligable weight to? |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-12-07, 10:52 AM | Well, I finally read the whole thread, and I've gotta say, it's awesome. I'm so glad I'm starting a DragonMech game. Who knows? There may be similarities. I'm DMing, and there's only one player. He hopes to ascend to godhood. And he just plain really, really wants to kill some gods. And capture Farazure's phylactery (before he ascended from dracolich to godhood - homebrew twist) to power a mighty grisgol. A god-mech. As a construct, it'll have to obey him. He's a hexblade commanding a fledgeling nation of the standard races and undead. City and Undead/Undeath domains? Awesome. Any advice? |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 12:02 PM | what about the parasites like those worms things that can get up to 20 or more feet long. are they negligable weight to? A tape worm is big enough to be a creature with stats. Heck, its a 1 HD small vermin for all intents and purposes. It's weight is not negligable, which makes teleport an interesting way to cure someone of the parasite. Out of curiousity, has anyone in your games ever had a tap worm or similair bugger? I've never had something like that happen (well, there was this slaadi....) |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 12:09 PM | Well, I finally read the whole thread, and I've gotta say, it's awesome. I'm so glad I'm starting a DragonMech game. Who knows? There may be similarities. I'm DMing, and there's only one player. He hopes to ascend to godhood. And he just plain really, really wants to kill some gods. And capture Farazure's phylactery (before he ascended from dracolich to godhood - homebrew twist) to power a mighty grisgol. A god-mech. As a construct, it'll have to obey him. He's a hexblade commanding a fledgeling nation of the standard races and undead. City and Undead/Undeath domains? Awesome. Any advice? Oh, you totally need to get some Undead Mechs in there. Heck, use that Dracoliche's bones and flesh to build a collossal undead mecha. Then use the mech as the grisgol's body. It'll be a construct with undead qualities, which mean it'll double have to obey you, or he can just pilot the mech himself. Also, increase the hardness provided in the book for a mech built of bones. You'd be using dragon lich bones, which has to count for something. |
| zzakk2to206-12-07, 12:13 PM | sorry but sarcasm does not carry over to text well or you would have notice i was being sarcastic about it. |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 12:16 PM | sorry but sarcasm does not carry over to text well or you would have notice i was being sarcastic about it. Ah, too true. Of course, thats why they invented sarcasm tages. [/sarcasm] |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-12-07, 12:51 PM | Unarmed mechs are the best, in my humble opinion, and they are cheaper to boot. BTW, I'm having a hard time finding the stats for the shredder cannons- what book are they in? I am still trying to find out exactly where my payload units are at. I think I'm going to keep my bore puncher, its freaking sweet- not to mention I think it would deal the same damage as a Viper Fang shrunk to the size of his Mech. I'm trying to figure out exactly what weapons are putting me over my PU the most. |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 01:31 PM | BTW, I'm having a hard time finding the stats for the shredder cannons- what book are they in? I am still trying to find out exactly where my payload units are at. I think I'm going to keep my bore puncher, its freaking sweet- not to mention I think it would deal the same damage as a Viper Fang shrunk to the size of his Mech. I'm trying to figure out exactly what weapons are putting me over my PU the most. The Shredder Cannons are in a book I have with me. I'll bring it Friday, but I think those are taking hardly any space at all because they are sized for a player to weild. If I remeber its only 2 PU each. I think whats really killing you is the chain tentacles and, alas, the bore puncher. Thats 8 PU each, if I'm not mistaken. Hello! :lightbulb Instead of carrying those heavy chains, rig the weapon with some kind of Bag of Holding-like device to store the chain coils. Do that, and reduce the PU of the chains tentacles by half. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-12-07, 05:58 PM | The Shredder Cannons are in a book I have with me. I'll bring it Friday, but I think those are taking hardly any space at all because they are sized for a player to weild. If I remeber its only 2 PU each. I think whats really killing you is the chain tentacles and, alas, the bore puncher. Thats 8 PU each, if I'm not mistaken. Hello! :lightbulb Instead of carrying those heavy chains, rig the weapon with some kind of Bag of Holding-like device to store the chain coils. Do that, and reduce the PU of the chains tentacles by half. To quote you, "I'm on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich." :P |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-12-07, 08:46 PM | Now I'm really cornfused. I finally worked out my payload units on my Dragon Mech- or so I thought. If we do the Bag of Holding trick, I would have made it to my total 24 payload. Just to double check my work, I looked at the entry for the original Juggernaut. It says that the mech has 14 payload units and has the words (Extra Weapon Mounts) next to the entry. It also says under the options Extra Weapon Mounts (4). What the heck? Does it mean that the mech already has extra payload units, or you have the option for more? Anyhoosen, I know we've made a ton of alterations to the original Juggernaut model, including removing some of the original weapons. I'm not sure if the mech starts out with the extra weapon mounts or not? I also noticed that the crew counts as part of the payload limit, so Angus will count as part of the payload. That being said, will my extra AIs in the Mech also count towards my payload? I'm not sure if the cortex will take up that space in the mech. Also, do my Combat Spikes take up any of my PU. Sheesh, making mechs can be hard- maybe I should just pick a Colossal Mech. Perhaps that would fix some of these problems.... All this because I wanted a Dragon Mech crafted in my Dwarven image. ;) |
| RealSorceror06-12-07, 08:58 PM | Now I'm really cornfused. I finally worked out my payload units on my Dragon Mech- or so I thought. If we do the Bag of Holding trick, I would have made it to my total 24 payload. Just to double check my work, I looked at the entry for the original Juggernaut. It says that the mech has 14 payload units and has the words (Extra Weapon Mounts) next to the entry. It also says under the options Extra Weapon Mounts (4). What the heck? Does it mean that the mech already has extra payload units, or you have the option for more? Anyhoosen, I know we've made a ton of alterations to the original Juggernaut model, including removing some of the original weapons. I'm not sure if the mech starts out with the extra weapon mounts or not? I also noticed that the crew counts as part of the payload limit, so Angus will count as part of the payload. That being said, will my extra AIs in the Mech also count towards my payload? I'm not sure if the cortex will take up that space in the mech. Also, do my Combat Spikes take up any of my PU. Sheesh, making mechs can be hard- maybe I should just pick a Colossal Mech. Perhaps that would fix some of these problems.... All this because I wanted a Dragon Mech crafted in my Dwarven image. ;) Ok, now you're confusing me. I'd suggest you just read through the Mech creation/combat chapter and learn the system. I increased the PU of a Gargantuan Mech to the PU of a Collosal Mech (so it is now 16 PU). After that I added extra PU up to a maximum of half the mech's current Payload Units (that means 8 extra units), for a total of 24. Don't bother with the rules stating that the pilot takes up units. We are going to assume that all mechs automatically have space for a pilot (because they do). Don't bother with the cortex, either. Its relatively small (its actually Small size if I remember). Also, all of the pre-created mech models listed in the book where made using the rules in the Mech creation chapter. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-12-07, 09:16 PM | Ok, now you're confusing me. I'd suggest you just read through the Mech creation/combat chapter and learn the system. Now I get it, give the DM a mech and he is forced to learn the Dragon Mech rules. :) Ok, that's all I was wondering about. That being said, I think the mech is in order. I've been reading as much of the DragonMech stuff as I can get my hands on. I can't wait to start the campaign based on the mech arena fights. The Kobold seems pretty stoked about it too (BTW Happy Birthday, Kain). I just need more experience running the system, I've read the chapters on creation like 7 times. I'm one of those people who learn by doing- when I'm knowledgable enough, then the books help. I just hope I can pick this stuff up more quickly next time I craft a Mech- heck, next time I'll need to make a pilot too. :) In any event, sorry I keep bothering you, Dotrak. I really appreciate the help- how else am I gonna learn this stuff. Its hard enough to keep up with you and the Kobold, your both mecha fans. I just watched Gundam and Big-O, needless to say that you have me slightly outclassed ;) |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-13-07, 11:14 AM | Hey, I read the Mech creation chapter again- I think its starting to sink in. I think its stupid that the heavy payload ability doesn't let you fit more weapons on your mech, who's going to use their payload for anything but weapons ( unless you're a city mech). With Heavy Payload I have 7 extra slots (1 is used for my Secure Crew Quarters) that I don't need, while I'm technically over capacity on my weapons. It also says that you can't use the Heavy Payload stuff for people, but I think that's lame. Heck, Angus barely meets the criteria to be considered a medium creature, so he wouldn't take up much space anyway. I think its stupid that I can use the extra payload slots for Secure Crew Quarters, but not the crew (pilot). Not to mention that its not a true Dragon Mech, a.k.a.- I don't need the mech to survive. Angus is just using this thing for some cheap giggles, so it makes sense that he'd load it to the brim with weapons. I'm so glad that you said he'll have a cockpit somewhere on the mech- maybe we can use our extra dimensional space trick again. I don't care if its like a bag of holding, I don't need to breath. :) Well, Dotrak, I'm just about finished with my mech. If worse comes to worse, I'll just ditch my hooked axe. Could you bring me a Dragon Mech character sheet friday? I would really appreciate it. |
| RealSorceror06-13-07, 11:34 AM | Your ranting skillz are impressive, Angus. :D And yes, I'm gonna bring a few Mech character sheets Friday. btw, where is the Kobold? Did he suddenly get a life or something? :confused: |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-13-07, 11:44 AM | Your ranting skillz are impressive, Angus. :D Yes, as a God of Chaos, I enjoy pelting people with the flawed logic of stupid rules. ;) And yes, I'm gonna bring a few Mech character sheets Friday. Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.:D btw, where is the Kobold? Did he suddenly get a life or something? :confused: Well, if by "life" you mean that he has school today, his ever-present tyrant is home, and yesterday was his birthday- then yes, he has indeed aquired a "life" since last we saw him. :P |
| RealSorceror06-13-07, 11:54 AM | Yes, as a God of Chaos, I enjoy pelting people with the flawed logic of stupid rules. ;) You gotta bring down the Man and his Lawfulishness. Everything is proceeding as I have forseen.:D :eek: Well, if by "life" you mean that he has school today, his ever-present tyrant is home, and yesterday was his birthday- then yes, he has indeed aquired a "life" since last we saw him. :P So.....that would be a 'no'? :rolleyes: |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-14-07, 11:20 AM | Hey, did you read the "Pelor the Burning Hate" thread- its freakin awesome. That might actually make Pelor cool on some level if he's really evil. After all, we've said it before- Pelor is Shaton. Now, we might say it with more respect. :) |
| RealSorceror06-14-07, 11:32 AM | Hey, did you read the "Pelor the Burning Hate" thread- its freakin awesome. That might actually make Pelor cool on some level if he's really evil. After all, we've said it before- Pelor is Shaton. Now, we might say it with more respect. :) Yup, I've seen it. They make a convincing argument. And heck ya, Pelor would be way cooler if he was evil all this time. In fact, I'll bet Pelor is actually Asmodeous. :angelhide Oh, and I likes the link you made between Pelor's and Erythnul's holy symbols. Very suspicious indeed. |
| RealSorceror06-14-07, 11:48 AM | As a side note, our group clearly needs a hangout thread. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-14-07, 11:54 AM | As a side note, our group clearly needs a hangout thread. Yes. Otherwise this just becomes the Unofficial DragonMech topic. Speaking of which, my contributions to DragonMech on the boards: Ironsoul Elite (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=865961&highlight=dragonmech) Making a grisgol god-mech with Faluzure's phylactary (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=863648&highlight=dragonmech) Mech Gish (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=854766&highlight=dragonmech) Just in case any of you find it interesting. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-14-07, 09:38 PM | As a side note, our group clearly needs a hangout thread. Yup, this has just become our default thread, and occasionally we talk about Dragon Mechs.:) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-14-07, 11:52 PM | o.o okay, i so will never have a life, and you al know it, so you can stop hoping i might develop one. so lets get this out out of the way. *cough* "i hate you all." there, now that thats out of the way, i cant wait to make my rodwalker, i have been thinking about it, and despite angus and his shield of amazing epic spell reflection, i think i can win, so long as i keep moving and the terrain is post apocolipse city or something. close quarters in other words, it will give angus some good melee options and it will let me have some fun with some terrain or something. i was also thinking on looks, >.> i know i know, its kindof off topic..((not that its a first on this thread.)) i was thinking of a swirl pattern, with maybe a half elf pilot, that way it goes with a natural look while still using adamantine armor. i was also thinking of a city mech, same desighn type as the rod walker, but much bigger. it would look almost exactly the same, except it would have a whole bunch of rods of (( insert rod type here)) in its arm slots, except it would have armor plating over them so that it looked as if it was one giant rod instead of a whole bunch of them. but im still lost on what i should make the pilot, im thinking 20 levels of mech jock, but then im lost, i need a good ranged class for mechs, i mean i was originally considering the bodger, but as im piloting a magic drivin mech, i would not require the special abilities of the class, in fact, anything coming from the class wuld be all but worthless, maybe the class that has all skills as a class skill hmm? i only have 20 more levels to play with, and im stuck on mech jock. anything enhancing the mechs dexterity and strength would be great, and of coarse the pilots dexterity needs to be at a maximum as well. >.> but it all comes down to tactics. he might be a god, but i think i know mech tactics like the back of my own hand, and as im looking at it right now, i think i know it pretty well. i have only been playin every mech game known to man since i have exsisted....not that im saying angus isent awesome or anything... |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-14-07, 11:53 PM | super post. bwahahahahaaha |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-15-07, 08:03 AM | TurnCloak_Kobold, I have an idea. If you'll pardon me pushing my own stuff. You want ranged? Look at the Ironsoul Elite I developed (formerly Psimech Jockey). If you can retrain and such. Enter as a mech jockey/soulknife/soulbow. As a soulknife you can create blades of mental energy. As a soulbow you can turn them into arrows. As an ironsoul elite you can use these abilities to arm your mech rather than yourself. Endless supply of collossal sized arrows. Cool. |
| RealSorceror06-15-07, 09:32 AM | TurnCloak_Kobold, I have an idea. If you'll pardon me pushing my own stuff. You want ranged? Look at the Ironsoul Elite I developed (formerly Psimech Jockey). If you can retrain and such. Enter as a mech jockey/soulknife/soulbow. As a soulknife you can create blades of mental energy. As a soulbow you can turn them into arrows. As an ironsoul elite you can use these abilities to arm your mech rather than yourself. Endless supply of collossal sized arrows. Cool. And because a Soul Knife can make his Mind Blade/Arrows look like anything, you can just make the Mind Arrows look like regular steam cannon shells. Or a death ray. Mmmmm, death ray. :dancin: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-18-07, 12:59 AM | TurnCloak_Kobold, I have an idea. If you'll pardon me pushing my own stuff. You want ranged? Look at the Ironsoul Elite I developed (formerly Psimech Jockey). If you can retrain and such. Enter as a mech jockey/soulknife/soulbow. As a soulknife you can create blades of mental energy. As a soulbow you can turn them into arrows. As an ironsoul elite you can use these abilities to arm your mech rather than yourself. Endless supply of collossal sized arrows. Cool. sweeeeet, its something i need to look into for a future mech jockey, i apreciate the idea, and might even consider it for a squad mate, however, currently i am going with mechjock 20, iorn tooth flea 5, mechdevil 10, and assimulated 5. this gives me a mech pilot check of around 243 and im using the rodwalker, dont remember if i said that already, but this will allow me to have some fairly effective melee attacks in a mech that shouldent, plus the iorntoth flea class will allow me to hide and move silently in my mech, which is easier thanks to its much smaler size, this will allow me to get the drop on most of my adversaries, and with the mech upgraded with four additional wands of fireball, BLAM. with a few well selected feats i can still do my stunning blow with weapon arms, i just cant deflect RANGED, that would injure my weapons, and i havent found ((and i dont think there is)) a feat to negate that damage. in any event, my mech will be all but the smallest one on the field when we actually get the game sarted, as i assume our party will go for the normall, if its bigger it must be better, and normaly i would agree with this in dragon mech, but my movement speed is around 130 something, and for a huge mech thats pretty good, some i think im pretty wel off. ^^ i will probably post more stuff bout it when we run the first encounter, or when im fully done with it. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-18-07, 05:06 PM | sweeeeet, its something i need to look into for a future mech jockey, i apreciate the idea, and might even consider it for a squad mate, however, currently i am going with mechjock 20, iorn tooth flea 5, mechdevil 10, and assimulated 5. this gives me a mech pilot check of around 243 and im using the rodwalker, dont remember if i said that already, but this will allow me to have some fairly effective melee attacks in a mech that shouldent, plus the iorntoth flea class will allow me to hide and move silently in my mech, which is easier thanks to its much smaler size, this will allow me to get the drop on most of my adversaries, and with the mech upgraded with four additional wands of fireball, BLAM. with a few well selected feats i can still do my stunning blow with weapon arms, i just cant deflect RANGED, that would injure my weapons, and i havent found ((and i dont think there is)) a feat to negate that damage. in any event, my mech will be all but the smallest one on the field when we actually get the game sarted, as i assume our party will go for the normall, if its bigger it must be better, and normaly i would agree with this in dragon mech, but my movement speed is around 130 something, and for a huge mech thats pretty good, some i think im pretty wel off. ^^ i will probably post more stuff bout it when we run the first encounter, or when im fully done with it. lol. I can just picture it: Captain! We lost 'em. Just disappeared. What?! How can you lose it? It's a 200-ft* tall mech! *Random number. No clue about its accuracy. Btw, it sounds like all of you in that campaign could give me some good advice. See, I'm going to be DMing a single-player DragonMech game centering on that character's ascension. Having never before worked with divine rank (or anything from ELH - I'm going by SRD here), it'd be nice to get pointers from people playing gods in DragonMech. Your DM's insight would be especially useful. I linked to a topic on this game earlier: Speaking of which, my contributions to DragonMech on the boards: Ironsoul Elite (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=865961&highlight=dragonmech) Making a grisgol god-mech with Faluzure's phylactary (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=863648&highlight=dragonmech) Mech Gish (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=854766&highlight=dragonmech) Just in case any of you find it interesting. I've had people tell me the campaign sounds interesting. It's my first DragonMech campaign, my first epic campaign (starting 20 actually), and my first evil campaign. The player (my bro) is a hexblade with a foundling nation of humanoids and undead. He's going to recover Falazure's phylactery and pull him from his divine realm to animate a necromech of deific proportions, slay another god to ascend to godhood, generally show hatred to the earthly gods, forge an empire, and drive back the lunar gods, maybe even claiming their realm too. I'm not sure I'm ready to run all this. |
| RealSorceror06-18-07, 05:35 PM | For starters, epic rocks if you do it right. However, as the player gians more and more power, you will find that: A). Money will become meaningless to him. He has millions of dollars and easy access to almost any plane and place. Thats assuming he even pays and doesn't just use his vast power and influence to get free swag. B). As he gains power and eventually divine rank, even epic monsters will become pathetically easy. You will have to hand craft a lot, if not all, of the monsters and encounters. This really becomes obvious around lvl 40, and maybe earlier. C). I'm sure you know this, but divine ascension should never be easy, and it should almost never happen before a player has 40 HD. More would be preferable. We allow divine ascension through several avenues: 1). Kill an existing deity (probably a Lunar God in this case), 2). Complete some world-shaking task while already having worshipers/followers (this sounds like the one you'll use), 3). Complete a dungeon/challenge specifically designed for ascension. We created a Ruby Temple full of homemade epic monsters and obsticales for this sole purpose. 4). Some combo of the above, or whatever you believe is sufficient for ascension. D). You sound like you have quite the story-line. :eek: That'll be difficult to run, but should be rewarding. Plan ahead as much as possible, but remember that epic characters are like dire bulls in china shops. They can break out of situations that make normal characters cry, especially if your bro has access to epic spells and major artifacts. Oh, and just for lols, Angus (our Dwarven Greater God) and Dotrak (myself) defeated the lunar gods in just 25 seconds of in game time. It would have been less, but I forgot to complete my full-attack (I only stomped and slammed and forgot about my linked cannons). Angus killed 4 of them by himself in just 2 rounds ala Anihilating Strike. It was so sad. :D |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-18-07, 06:45 PM | they didnt even invite me into the combat, and i so coulda chip damaged at least one of them, none of them coulda beat out my 105/- dmg reduction. i would so have been insulted if they hadent brought me back some divine rank in a doggy bag. oh and not to toot our own horn, and i really really really do hesitate to do so, but collectivly we know our stuff, sorcerer there is the expert on all things dragon mech and wizard like, the Dwarf fighter ((angus)) is our resedent deity/ dwarf/ mostly DM type person, and is excllent at answering all manner of questions, and i know dragon tactics...>.> thats about it, i dont get to do much as yu can imagine. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-18-07, 07:21 PM | Thanks for your tips. I was planning on weakening divine stats for the simple fact that the earthly gods are under siege and not able to consistently grant clerics spells. Under these circumstances, I could tweak divine rank to mean less. I suppose learning to deal with EL 40 will be easier than homebrewing a weaker version of something I'm not familiar with. If you're interested, my bro will be playing a hexblade fix (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=864402) of mine. It's a PrC version. Looks like he'll be entering as a sorcerer or possibly dread necromancer, with two levels of paladin of tyrrany. Also using leadership and undead leadership to get his nation. In regards to C, it'll be a combo of 1 and 2. He does plan to kill lunar gods, but only after ascension. Not yet knowing of the siege the lunar gods have put on the earthly ones, he hates their callous lack of regard for the world. He ascends by matter of vengeance. He'd honestly make a good ur priest - it's just that I don't have that book. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-19-07, 11:46 AM | Oh, and just for lols, Angus (our Dwarven Greater God) and Dotrak (myself) defeated the lunar gods in just 25 seconds of in game time. It would have been less, but I forgot to complete my full-attack (I only stomped and slammed and forgot about my linked cannons). Angus killed 4 of them by himself in just 2 rounds ala Annihilating Strike. It was so sad. :D Dotrak and I blew up the moon, the oceans of highpoint were already in disarray- which obviously got the Lunar pantheon's attention. See, the gods of highpoint do have a purpose- they are the ultimate distraction. When the Lunar Gods showed up, they were none too happy with the Colossal 10 rock'em sock'em robot and myself. They tried to back talk me, so I killed one of them before the pantheon could react-even Andakakiloitat ( or Andy-catalac as we call him) can't do anything against a quickened greater teleport, annihilating strike, and an instant move in the same round. Andy gave the motion for the rest of the pantheon to attack me, and I dispatched them one-by-one using annihilating strike and my Dwarven Hammerfist technique. I took down four deities in 12 seconds, all without unsheathing any of my weapons. Dotrak asked me to hold back, and let him face Andy by himself. We used the stats for Zeus as Andy's stats. In the end, we ate lunar god kabobs and brought in a new moon from my demiplane. The moon is inscribed with the symbols of both Dotrak and myself, and we set it so that the seas of highpoint would return to normal. I revitalized the planet, using divine earth mastery, and created a new mountain keep for the dwarves of the plane. They rewarded me with worshippers and Dorias- my advanced juggernaut DragonMech. It was fun. :) |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-19-07, 01:14 PM | Dotrak, don't give up on the Divine Rank 20 commoner thread- I've finally made my presense known. I'm already givng 'em what for, and I'll need your help. :) |
| Thugorp06-20-07, 11:40 AM | OH thank god FINALY some one elss who has read that book. |
| RealSorceror06-20-07, 01:37 PM | OH thank god FINALY some one elss who has read that book. Heck ya. DragonMech is the best steampunk and mecha setting I've ever seen. I've also got the Second Age of Walkers sourcebook and one of the plaeyr's manuels. Omnirahk is equally knowledgable on the topic. |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi06-20-07, 07:01 PM | Heck ya. DragonMech is the best steampunk and mecha setting I've ever seen. I've also got the Second Age of Walkers sourcebook and one of the plaeyr's manuels. Omnirahk is equally knowledgable on the topic. :rofl: I'm flattered. But I haven't actually yet gotten around to buying any of the DragonMech books. I've just been thriving off of previews and extrapolating, as usual. I always feel like such a parasite when I admit this. But I do plan on getting the DragonMech books. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-21-07, 11:57 AM | Hehehe...Lunar Gods- that's a laugh. The gods of highpoint are also weak, except you Dotrak. ;) I forgot to ask you, I know I should have gotten Divine Ranks from that, but I don't want them. I think I should have to do something noteworthy to gain over deity status (not to mention I need the Immortals Handbook). I might, on the other hand, want some levels. I'll talk to you about how we work the deities leveling on Friday- I just wasn't sure what you had to say about it, because you were DMing at the time. Anyhoosen, I think my comment on the "Divine Rank 20 Level 1 Commoner" thread killed the board. Dotrak, I want to fight another mech with Dorias. Could we give it a try Friday? |
| RealSorceror06-21-07, 02:37 PM | Hehehe...Lunar Gods- that's a laugh. The gods of highpoint are also weak, except you Dotrak. ;) I forgot to ask you, I know I should have gotten Divine Ranks from that, but I don't want them. I think I should have to do something noteworthy to gain over deity status (not to mention I need the Immortals Handbook). I might, on the other hand, want some levels. I'll talk to you about how we work the deities leveling on Friday- I just wasn't sure what you had to say about it, because you were DMing at the time. Anyhoosen, I think my comment on the "Divine Rank 20 Level 1 Commoner" thread killed the board. Dotrak, I want to fight another mech with Dorias. Could we give it a try Friday? As I hinted at before, the secret campaign that Turncloak and I are planning will (hopefully) end with Angus becoming a DR 21 Over-Deity. Believe me, it will be a more than sufficient challenge. You'll feel like you earned that DR, rather than just stealing some lunch money from the Lunar Nerds. As for leveling up, ya, we probably should gain a level, although, it kinda felt like we where lvl 10s picking on some CR 1/2 Goblins. Try and figure out how much exp we would gain from defeating that level of encounter. Otherwise, we'll just talk about on Friday. And lastly, yes, we'll do some Mech combat on Friday. I'll make a mech and pilot it with Thundercleese, and we'll get Turncloak to finish his mech. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-21-07, 05:18 PM | I think I'm just gonna stay on this board. I'm getting upset with that commoner thread. My god character has portfolio sense, and the wealth and glory domains- I think I would know if some poor hobo became one of the most awe inspiring things in the universe. More to the point, I gained those portfolio elements because I was an ascended mortal- mortals gaining divine rank is part of my portfolio, especially when it comes to a lowly person working their way to one of the highest positions in existance.I would know about it weeks in advance, and would deal with the upstart appropriately. I hated that comment about us using house rules, when a mortal gaining 20 free divine ranks spontaneously is even less rules oriented than anything we've ever tried. At least we can explain how our deities got their powers, and it sure wasn't through nerf herding. As long as my character lives, there will be no deity with divine skill focus (dirt-farming). |
| Kain Darkwind06-21-07, 05:48 PM | I think I'm just gonna stay on this board. I'm getting upset with that commoner thread. My god character has portfolio sense, and the wealth and glory domains- I think I would know if some poor hobo became one of the most awe inspiring things in the universe. More to the point, I gained those portfolio elements because I was an ascended mortal- mortals gaining divine rank is part of my portfolio, especially when it comes to a lowly person working their way to one of the highest positions in existance.I would know about it weeks in advance, and would deal with the upstart appropriately. I hated that comment about us using house rules, when a mortal gaining 20 free divine ranks spontaneously is even less rules oriented than anything we've ever tried. At least we can explain how our deities got their powers, and it sure wasn't through nerf herding. As long as my character lives, there will be no deity with divine skill focus (dirt-farming). Well, that's good. I can find you here too, you know, the sound of your stiffled sniffles penetrates to other threads. If you'd like a detailed analysis of how you (and your group) are wrong as per the RAW, ask and I'd be happy to provide one. However, I'm not in the business of telling people who run games as per their house rules and are having fun that they are wrong to do so. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-21-07, 10:14 PM | ok deital children, lets save that particular thread out of this one shall we, i rather like having a thread where we can talk about all things non commoner. in either case i will get my mech done on friday, hopefuly before the changeling comesover, that way we can see just how well a 40th level char. stands up against two level 60+ divine gods, probably gona lose big time against thunderthighs there, but hopefully i can at least stand up to angus. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-22-07, 12:36 AM | Well, that's good. I can find you here too, you know, the sound of your stiffled sniffles penetrates to other threads. Sorry, next time I'll try to pout in the corner. :) I've been hearing RealSorceror speak about that board for some time- and after numerous emails about how upsetting it was, I also checked the thread out. I ,likewise, find it quite upsetting, but not necessarily because of the people on the thread. I'm not trying to single anyone out, that thread in general frustrates me. I've roleplayed my character for going on six years- and I worked for every scrap of Divine Rank, followers, armies, and priests that he has. I had to work for my character's powers, and the concept of "Bob" eats at my soul. However, I'm not in the business of telling people who run games as per their house rules and are having fun that they are wrong to do so. I'm glad to hear it. Like I said, don't take offense- I just don't get why everyone gets so upset with us. We really don't have too many house rules. When it comes down to it, I've made every effort to make certain everyone in our games are in check-I've just given the characters the option to do what they want. We do character audits all the time, we search every FAQ out there, I read the SRD, we ask questions of other people on the boards- heck, I've even considered remaking my god character using the DiceFreaks rules (Which actually isn't too different than the system we use now;) ). I got on these boards to learn more- and it seems the only thing I've learned is that the only opinions that matter are the ones of my DMs and players. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-22-07, 01:32 AM | lol, were so in the rules, angus here even updated his entire char. when the new magic item compendiume came out, giving up his most favorite tool of the name retrabutive amulet. now given the choice of keeping one of the coolest magic items, the coolest magic item, or updating and making it rather weak, he chose to make it weak, just to stay in the rules. ^_^ |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-22-07, 02:17 AM | im thinking i might retire one of my more favorite chars. i really dont make this decesion lightly, but he is one of my more favorite chars. currently our dm for the game is sending us against a vast system of mindflayers, inclusing a mother brain or whatever its called. this dosent bother me, my charector has no problem with going against mind flayers, in fact he is very well equiped for it, unfortunatly me and the DM have come up against each other on too many subjects. we are currently coming to a point where it would be very easy to sideline him, to the point of only becoming an NPC, he would still be an active part of the planning stages for what the group was doing, but he would no longer dungeon crawl. im afraid my group would see this as cowardice on his part, but in reality i think that playing this char. is too close to power gaming, hes unaturally strong without the aid of magic implements and that combined with good racial ability boosts maes him a unmoving stone that jst hapens to have a breathweapon. im afraid the DM is coming down hard on both me and the other player charectors because of my choice in a charector, so i beleive it is time for me to put him away, at least for a little while. this will allow me to rebuild him in a more effective way, while maintaning a fair inviornment for the other player charectors. i believe as well that a suitable replacement might be a drow mage slayer from the iorn kingdoms book, that way im still having fun with a cool new class, and i wont outshadow anyone else. perhaps the DM might even back down a little on the dificulty level for the other players. any advice or comments on the decesion woul be helpful. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-22-07, 02:28 AM | im thinking i might retire one of my more favorite chars. i really dont make this decesion lightly, but he is one of my more favorite chars. currently our dm for the game is sending us against a vast system of mindflayers, inclusing a mother brain or whatever its called. this dosent bother me, my charector has no problem with going against mind flayers, in fact he is very well equiped for it, unfortunatly me and the DM have come up against each other on too many subjects. we are currently coming to a point where it would be very easy to sideline him, to the point of only becoming an NPC, he would still be an active part of the planning stages for what the group was doing, but he would no longer dungeon crawl. im afraid my group would see this as cowardice on his part, but in reality i think that playing this char. is too close to power gaming, hes unaturally strong without the aid of magic implements and that combined with good racial ability boosts maes him a unmoving stone that jst hapens to have a breathweapon. im afraid the DM is coming down hard on both me and the other player charectors because of my choice in a charector, so i beleive it is time for me to put him away, at least for a little while. this will allow me to rebuild him in a more effective way, while maintaning a fair inviornment for the other player charectors. i believe as well that a suitable replacement might be a drow mage slayer from the iorn kingdoms book, that way im still having fun with a cool new class, and i wont outshadow anyone else. perhaps the DM might even back down a little on the dificulty level for the other players. any advice or comments on the decesion woul be helpful. Just for the record, I'm not this DM- though I would be slightly Intimidated by that character. I've seen what you were planning on doing with him, and its crazy. :) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-22-07, 02:39 AM | thats just the thing, i cant do that as a player charector, though an NPC it would be fine, im rather hearbroken about this, i just want everyone to continue to enjoy the game, and to do that i think i need to change charectors. my dragon could be realy cool, but the way our DM plays i feel like im bringing the rath of god down on everyone everytime i take a five foot adjustment. i mean, i only wanted to use a pair of mindflayers as a set of nunchucks. lol but in all seriousness, i think he should be retired, jst so everyone can enjoy game, the rules lawyering will continue whether the DM is in the hotseat or not, i suppose i just build too contraversial chars. i mean, when my deity destroys every speed record known to mortals, takes on higher rank deties ((angus dosent count)), and my main charector is for all intents and purposes epic in a non epic game, im not so certain that playing a super charector is worth all the hassel, im more than happy to slip into the background for this game, because despite all the hassel, i love the game,i just dont want to see other charectors remove themselves from the game, or the game to stop just because the DM needs to be a rules nazi just to keep cain from using mindflayers as nunchucks. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-22-07, 03:12 AM | Well, I love that dragon. After all, Zith can't create his tyrannical evil empire to destroy Angus and his followers without his shadow dragon general, now can he? I think Cain needs to start having babies, then you could play his offspring as an evil servant of Zith. Its all that shadow dragon goodness we all know and love without any of the hassel of the quickling template on a dragon's age category. I really want to start forming the empire. As weird as it feels for me to say this, I can't wait for open war against Angus and his forces.:) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-22-07, 11:26 AM | well you wouldet be losing him as a general, i have no intention of removing him as such until zith decides he dosent want or need him. its just, i dont think its worth playing my favorite race when it degenerates from the overall game value. why should i play a shadow dragon when all i get to deal with is rules rules rules like i said before, i dont have a problem with any of that, but i feel it takes away from the enjoyment of the game from everyone else. its no fun being unique to battle, using enemies as weapons, having breath weapons, and taking on whole hordes of high CR monsters if all i can do is dream about live mindflayer nunchucks. so i think its best that i bring in phobos ((names temporary till i think f something better.)) the mageslayer drow. think of how cool he could be, plus i already have a good backstory for him. he would be just as ruthless as cain, except he would be drow, and i love drow almost as much as i love dragons. so in the end its like i would still be playing cain, except mre sneaky. i can even see about role playing him still whenever you guys head back to the castle or whatever. i would just be a stay at home general with a cool follower (("worshiper" *cough* )) not too mention, he might be a little more helpfull in certain cetuations, granted he wont have that awesome diplomicy check, and he would be ruthless around mages and other spellcasters, but he wouldent be that low HD human whenever he went into town to talk to people to that i hate so much. i wouldent even have to concentrate on charisma at all, he wouldent need it, not to mention with us so close to epic i can take a few feats that will hopefull allow me to up my spell resistance. |
| RealSorceror06-22-07, 12:19 PM | Well, I love that dragon. After all, Zith can't create his tyrannical evil empire to destroy Angus and his followers without his shadow dragon general, now can he? I think Cain needs to start having babies, then you could play his offspring as an evil servant of Zith. Its all that shadow dragon goodness we all know and love without any of the hassel of the quickling template on a dragon's age category. I really want to start forming the empire. As weird as it feels for me to say this, I can't wait for open war against Angus and his forces.:) Zith vs Dotrak. *shudder* |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-22-07, 01:11 PM | Zith vs Dotrak. *shudder* That's a Shadow of the Collosus moment waiting to happen. I love playing Zith, but why the heck is he the leader. He might be the strongest in the group(physically and strength of will), but he's dumb as a brick. The thought of the giant robot stepping on him would't sway him at all. With the Scepter of Ephelomon, he's also immune to fear. I suppose that this is why so many villains die early, their ego consumes them- and in that respect, I'm suprised Zith has survived as long as he has. Well, I guess it wouldn't be bad if Cain became an NPC- as long as he doesn't just fade into the background. If Cain disappears, so does Zith. ;) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-22-07, 03:04 PM | bleh, you can all go to batoor, i dont intend for cain to disapear completly, just become that table side general, you know, the one that continues to keep zith from dying from stupidity by reminding him that he has people to kill the giant robot for him. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-25-07, 10:50 AM | bleh, you can all go to baator, i dont intend for cain to disapear completly, just become that table side general, you know, the one that continues to keep zith from dying from stupidity by reminding him that he has people to kill the giant robot for him. We don't want that right now, Angus doesn't need to get any stronger (when looking from Zith's point of view). They call me the Butcher of Baator for a reason, you know. And as for dying from stupidity, "That dragon knew my one weakness- my finger." :D That is gonna be one nasty combat sequence when the two parties clash. I still want to run some combat sequences with our mechs- just to see how its done. I just finished updating Angus, now I'm on to his avatars. I think his increased Epic attack bonus changes my attack bonus for my mech- or at least Angus' attacks through the mech. Yeah, more updating. :P |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-25-07, 08:19 PM | i would laugh at you, but my laziness is unparraleled when it comes down to anything involving that mech, i still have the seven feats, and i need to make the mech, shouldent be too hard though, my stuffs already mostly made out. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-25-07, 09:04 PM | plus i just realized we might be able to use the butter ball turkey for cain at one point or another :D JOY!!!!! |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-26-07, 11:35 AM | plus i just realized we might be able to use the butter ball turkey for cain at one point or another :D JOY!!!!!MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm...Turkey :P I finished my avatars last night. Updating Angus is both a blessing and a curse- I love that he's stronger, but it takes me two days of constant writing to finish both his avatar and Angus himself. The worst part is I just finished with all the updating and I already have the itch to level him again- only a few more levels till I hit one hundred. I want him to get it soooo badly. From Zith's point of view, we are never going to catch that fiery little dwarven gremlin.I tried to talk to Japheph about letting Dotrak run some of the games with Zith, he said he would be cool with it. I shuttered because he said he needed some time off to make a shadow dragon army for us to fight in the shadow plane. I told him that a humanoid race like the shadar-kai was more realistic than getting an army of proud shadow dragons to work together. |
| RealSorceror06-26-07, 11:52 AM | MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm...Turkey :P Yummy. [/really deep vioce] I tried to talk to Japheph about letting Dotrak run some of the games with Zith, he said he would be cool with it. You got it. I'll get our evil butts to lvl 30 before the evil DM starts evil DMing agian. If we're ever gonna catch up, it sounds like we're gonna need a little time warp/ alternate reality action. :plotting: I shuttered because he said he needed some time off to make a shadow dragon army for us to fight in the shadow plane. I told him that a humanoid race like the shadar-kai was more realistic than getting an army of proud shadow dragons to work together. Um, do you mean that you shuddered? Or did Japheph scare you so bad that you actually made a window noise? |
| RealSorceror06-26-07, 04:11 PM | Next time, on City-Sized God, Episode 12: Dotrak vs The Sun..... For anyone actually interested in what this thread was originally about, heres an update on my character. Dotrak, known to his friends as "Thunderclese", is now a DR 6 Lesser Deity. He has just taken the Craft Artifact and Create Object salient abilities. Dotrak now intends to rebuild his metal robotic shell as an Epic Major Artifact, thereby making him impervious to physical harm, albiet with a specific method of destruction which I shall not reveal online. Any advice on creating such a collossalally hugenormous artifact would be much appreciated, as the description given in the DMG and EH for creating such things is quite vague and sparse, to say the least. And remember, all hail the Great Engine, or I'll crush you. J/K. But seriously, if I accidently crush you, its my bad. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold06-26-07, 09:33 PM | hmmmmm, i wonder if i can work cains diplomacy check to a maximum here. since im orriginally from the plane i could so make the checks as if i was a returning king or something, hopefully i might get to turn a few of those people to the cause. and yeah...shadow dragons working together....>.> next thing you know, angus wil be sitting in a dress eating crumpets and playing dolly..AKA never happen, unless its with a great great great grandaughter or something, and even then... |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2006-30-07, 12:55 PM | Um, do you mean that you shuddered? Or did Japheph scare you so bad that you actually made a window noise?If you mean, did you want to throw yourself through a window- then yes, the thought did cross my mind. :) In any event, all hail Zith and Cain- bow before the great destroyers. Its about time those two ascended, watch out Demogorgon, Malcanthet, and Lolth- Zith is coming for ya. Prepare to withoutstand the immortal scowl of a half-fiendish githyanki warlord (anti) hero deity. :mad: I think he has one more level in either blackguard or dragonrider before he starts his Half-Fiend transformation. BTW Dotrak, Japheph has officially turned over the Zith campaign to you, provided he could play a dread necromancer. I think he mentioned something about an undead mech. Anyhoosen, he said that he is playing some lord from the negative energy plane who is ready to swear himself to the cause of Zith- a wise person indeed. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-01-07, 04:09 AM | lol, i beleive thse poor frog mn called e something along the lines of "the all devouring great destroyer wyrm" right? lol, no cool fancy title for zith, but cain reaps the awesome name and the instant fear of decending on there poor souls from upon high...and then the poor dietal monstrouse snake decided itwas a good idea to grapple a dragon. oh and for anyone paying attention to the far cooler version of this thread *cough* cain and zith *cough*, i do believe i will be keeping that adorable dragon as a player charector, no offense to the old DM, but the new DM is a little more leniant with dragons, and thus is not going to send us against our same amount of HD in mindflayers, who all happen to be 7th level wizards to boot.....stupid mind flayers.... anywho...all hail the new god of all dragon kind, lol. in your mighty engine face dotrak....thunderthighs, lol. and you too rat lord, cain dislikes rats, and your mob rat thing is a whole mess of hate. |
| RealSorceror07-02-07, 11:38 AM | If you mean, did you want to throw yourself through a window- then yes, the thought did cross my mind. :) In any event, all hail Zith and Cain- bow before the great destroyers. Its about time those two ascended, watch out Demogorgon, Malcanthet, and Lolth- Zith is coming for ya. Prepare to withoutstand the immortal scowl of a half-fiendish githyanki warlord (anti) hero deity. :mad: I think he has one more level in either blackguard or dragonrider before he starts his Half-Fiend transformation. BTW Dotrak, Japheph has officially turned over the Zith campaign to you, provided he could play a dread necromancer. I think he mentioned something about an undead mech. Anyhoosen, he said that he is playing some lord from the negative energy plane who is ready to swear himself to the cause of Zith- a wise person indeed. Doesn't Zith hate Liches? Becuase Ryan will be a Lich if he takes all 20 lvls of Dread Necro. And yes, Ryan can have an undead mech, provided he meets the crafting requirements and that it isn't bigger than Gargantuan. |
| RealSorceror07-02-07, 11:58 AM | lol, i beleive thse poor frog mn called e something along the lines of "the all devouring great destroyer wyrm" right? lol, no cool fancy title for zith, but cain reaps the awesome name and the instant fear of decending on there poor souls from upon high...and then the poor dietal monstrouse snake decided itwas a good idea to grapple a dragon. I actually calculated his grapple wrong, and it would have been much higher. Granted, you still would have had a chance at winning the grapple, and it wouldn't have changed the fact that Zith's 48 best friends would still have killed the guy a few rounds later. The fight would have been cooler, but you still would have won, no contest. oh and for anyone paying attention to the far cooler version of this thread *cough* cain and zith *cough*, i do believe i will be keeping that adorable dragon as a player charector, no offense to the old DM, but the new DM is a little more leniant with dragons, and thus is not going to send us against our same amount of HD in mindflayers, who all happen to be 7th level wizards to boot.....stupid mind flayers.... I would, but I don't know where to find 22 flying invisible deital Mind Flayers.... anywho...all hail the new god of all dragon kind, lol. in your mighty engine face dotrak....thunderthighs, lol. and you too rat lord, cain dislikes rats, and your mob rat thing is a whole mess of hate. No offense, but Dotrak and Rat Lord could mash Cain good, becuase both of them are now broken as hell. I was having a great time being Salazzar. He knows every spell in the PH (no really, he casts as a 24th lvl Wizard Cleric Druid Bard). My only delimma would have been how to destroy all those Gith ships surrounding me (I could do it, I just have so many damn options available). I think I would have started by casting Reverse Gender and Permanency on Zith, except that would probably have made me laugh too hard, and I'd get exploded by cannons. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-02-07, 12:27 PM | I think I've decided what I'm going to do with Zith- I'm thinking Warlord of the Utterdark from the epic book of vile darkness stuff. It looks very cool, I also liked the antimagic poison. ;) Zith still needs to finish his Half- Fiend transformation and Dragonrider class levels before I need to worry about his next class- hopefully I'll have a better idea of what i want by that time. I want to make sure he's an able warrior because I'm building him up to fight my good aligned deity character, Angus- who happens to be the most seasoned fighter any of us have ever made. The trouble with deital combat is that it usually doesn't last long, and I want the battle between Zith and Angus to drag on for a while. Dotrak, I was also wondering about Kothar, my juvenile red dragon mount- can I apply my fiendish servant stuff to him? I technically can't do it yet, but if I take the dragon cohort feat as my next feat I should be able to. The red dragons on the chart stop at a young red dragon, but they increase at a rate of +4 ECL on the chart. A young red is too small for me to ride.It has an ECL of 19, but they don't list anything higher. I thought I read an article about an epic blackguard using a juvenile red dragon, but I can't find it. I suppose we`ll cross that bridge when we get there, I should be at least a tenth level Blackguard before I could use Kothar as my fiendish servant. I just think its wierd that most githyanki that I've seen are Blackguards at higher levels and are using juvenile red dragons as mounts- are they not using their fiendish servant benefits? In any event, I have an idea for an evil NPC for the game where I'm playing A certain mute half-succubus. I already talked to cain about it- I just need your approval, Dotrak. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-02-07, 12:33 PM | I actually calculated his grapple wrong, and it would have been much higher. Granted, you still would have had a chance at winning the grapple, and it wouldn't have changed the fact that Zith's 48 best friends would still have killed the guy a few rounds later. The fight would have been cooler, but you still would have won, no contest. I would, but I don't know where to find 22 flying invisible deital Mind Flayers.... No offense, but Dotrak and Rat Lord could mash Cain good, becuase both of them are now broken as hell. I was having a great time being Salazzar. He knows every spell in the PH (no really, he casts as a 24th lvl Wizard Cleric Druid Bard). My only delimma would have been how to destroy all those Gith ships surrounding me (I could do it, I just have so many damn options available). I think I would have started by casting Reverse Gender and Permanency on Zith, except that would probably have made me laugh too hard, and I'd get exploded by cannons. Hell has no fury like a Zith scorn. The only thing scarier than Zith, would be Zith in heels. Salad-Bar should be looked on as an evil saint for not changing Zith's gender- no one would survive. |
| RealSorceror07-02-07, 02:50 PM | I think I've decided what I'm going to do with Zith- I'm thinking Warlord of the Utterdark from the epic book of vile darkness stuff. It looks very cool, I also liked the antimagic poison. ;) Zith still needs to finish his Half- Fiend transformation and Dragonrider class levels before I need to worry about his next class- hopefully I'll have a better idea of what i want by that time. I want to make sure he's an able warrior because I'm building him up to fight my good aligned deity character, Angus- who happens to be the most seasoned fighter any of us have ever made. The trouble with deital combat is that it usually doesn't last long, and I want the battle between Zith and Angus to drag on for a while. May I suggest you use non-epic weapons? Or hell, just your fists? I too would like to see the Zith v Angus turn into the Family Guy episode with Peter fighting the Chicken guy. Dotrak, I was also wondering about Kothar, my juvenile red dragon mount- can I apply my fiendish servant stuff to him? I technically can't do it yet, but if I take the dragon cohort feat as my next feat I should be able to. The red dragons on the chart stop at a young red dragon, but they increase at a rate of +4 ECL on the chart. A young red is too small for me to ride.It has an ECL of 19, but they don't list anything higher. I thought I read an article about an epic blackguard using a juvenile red dragon, but I can't find it. I suppose we`ll cross that bridge when we get there, I should be at least a tenth level Blackguard before I could use Kothar as my fiendish servant. I just think its wierd that most githyanki that I've seen are Blackguards at higher levels and are using juvenile red dragons as mounts- are they not using their fiendish servant benefits? I'm all in favor of it, once the opportunity arises. WoTC tends to screw epic play, and our epic bad-boy needs an epic feindish servant. In any event, I have an idea for an evil NPC for the game where I'm playing A certain mute half-succubus. I already talked to cain about it- I just need your approval, Dotrak. Oh really? Sure, just send me a PM. I'll send you some of Klien's backstory, minus a few details that I can't tell you until the storyline catches up. And yes, I'm also working on the Koa-Toa legend about Zith. Hell has no fury like a Zith scorn. The only thing scarier than Zith, would be Zith in heels. Salad-Bar should be looked on as an evil saint for not changing Zith's gender- no one would survive. Remind me to do that if we ever need a dooms-day device, or if we need to hold a multiverse hostage. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-03-07, 12:53 AM | i never said i was gona harm a single hair on rat lords head....none of them, none of all of those nasty dirty vermin head...*cough* i mean, i wouldent hurt them, just hate them....but as angus has proved again and again...divine blast still kills a swarm..and cain will have divine blast...it will probably replace his breath weapon, concedering everyone is immune to negitive levels. by the by, cain so kicked the butt of an 90th level char. at 21st level, no dietal stuff. 2 out of game hours worth of my explination on what cain would do in certain circumstances...in the end i had to use the annulis, but thats because the guy started ranting how he was immune to this and that only because of his DM status... anullis FTW. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-03-07, 05:40 PM | I think a deital fist fight between Angus and Zith would be awesome. Angus still might have the upper hand since I built up his unarmed strike quite a bit- I did design him to destroy a six-armed monk, after all. Zith does have quite a few levels to play with before he could be considered to be "on par" with our Dwarven god, so he might be able to pull it off. A good old-fashioned slug fest would also take away Angus' primary advantage, his ginormously enhanced magical weapons- its a good way to level the field for Zith. Thanks for the suggestion, Dotrak. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-03-07, 07:11 PM | i think the fight that sent angus over the line between normal and epic is the thing that kept everyone from really thinking about a fist fight...but in te end would zith really go after angus with no weapons, or would it just be angus that had nothing.... despite my love for all that is evil in the universe, i feel that angus still has a huge advantage...but then again, maybe its just me and my...well you know... i have seen angus destroy deties with his bare hands after all... |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-03-07, 08:49 PM | i think the fight that sent angus over the line between normal and epic is the thing that kept everyone from really thinking about a fist fight...but in the end would zith really go after angus with no weapons, or would it just be angus that had nothing.... despite my love for all that is evil in the universe, i feel that angus still has a huge advantage...but then again, maybe its just me and my...well you know... i have seen angus destroy deities with his bare hands after all...Yeah, but they were lunar nerds-not the almighty Zith. The only thing that makes me think the fist fight would be far-fetched is that Zith is a Githyanki knight- good luck getting him to dismount his red dragon for a fist fight. Angus could be convinced to not use his weapons- he's a fairly proud character. These conversations really tear at my soul, I love both of these characters. I know if they fight, one of them will probably die. Angus was my first D&D character, and Zith was my first great evil D&D character- I still say that good is going to win simply because if Zith destroys Angus, the entire good pantheon ( and a few neutrals) will destroy Zith. In the end, Zith will be destroyed , and that upsets me. If Zith wins, two of my favorite characters will die- not to mention the hundreds of Angilorian descendants who will throw themselves at the Githyanki tyrannt. If Angus wins, then only Zith and possibly Cain will die- the rest of Zith's regime is too mercenary to kill for revenge. In any event, I can't wait to use the fiendish servant abilities on my dragon- it'll be freakin sweet. I'm also looking forward to reading Dotrak's kou tao legend about Zith and Cain, hopefully I'll get a cool name like Cain got. Nice shot with your paladin's backstory, BTW- I also left some suggestions for you, Thundercleese. :) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-05-07, 12:22 AM | x.x zith might not have a huge amount of people to toss themselves at the angalorians, but he will have a few...and then you have cain....if cain dies...well he was the last of the first line shadow dragon kings...so unless certain people come up with certain extremly stupid reasons for why they wouldent, cain might have at least a legion or two worth of fanatics to throw against the dwarves... besides, if angus dies...well, first we need to kill him three times...or four...but we dont know that in char. second, there are a few dieties that might be able to Res. him anyway. now if zith dies...first for right now if he dies, hes gone. second, whos gonna Res. us if we die...no one..no one except salazar...and no offense intended towards our god of...what is he god of anyway..taint? but i dont think hes gona do that. so if angus goes hes what...gone a week tops? zith ges hes gone for a second...then hes Ressed so angus can question him, then hes dead again....then whole armies of devels and demons will parish, and possibly cease to exist completly. i only hope that when the time comes, zith wont die, caus if he does, that means cain is gone likewise, because that means cain would die trying to fend of at least two dieties while zith and cothor escape...probably fail misserbly at it too. so best case losing scenario...cain protects zith...unfortunatly this leads to cain being re-raised so that angus can find out who this nut job is...cain now dies...forever...no save. lol. this likewise leads to zith possibly hiding out forever within his own divine real...which i dont think he would do... so in either case, where all gona lose somethin real close to our hearts when the gloves come off....unless i can plot far enough in advance....but those are my thoughts, and mine alone....>.> but i think Ben Kenobi said it best when he said..."Its as if a million voices all cried out in terror...and then where suddenly silenced." thats what the true namer will say when this battle is over...one way, or another. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-10-07, 01:51 PM | Yeah, either way the battle will be quite grim. I hope that Zith, Kothar, and Cain are at least the same divine rank as Angus and Mirath when the fight starts- that way we won't need to worry about Annihilating Strike. I've been working on effective tactics for Zith, and I have some evil ones-but they all involve intimate knowledge of Angus, his tactics, his equipment, and other things that I don't think Zith, even at his most inquisitive, would wonder about. Zith could use his Alter Reality to change the terms of destruction for Angus' exalted armor, and then really mess up the little dwarf with his "Regalia of Evil says all my damage is vile" trick. On top of that, he has the wound enemy salient ability- which means all of that bleeding damage is both cumulative and vile. :cool: The problem is that Zith doesn't know about Angus, his armor, or his tactics- only that the tiny fire god is the paragon of all things good and a being that Salazar fears. With this in mind, it would just instigate Zith more- encouraging him to rush head long into an attack against Angus long before he is ready to do so. I was thinking about the fight itself, and I thought of something that might level the field- a duel using Githyanki Silver Swords. Angus was given one when the renegades from the planar tournament left the lich queen's service- before Zith's group killed her, anyway. Zith has more Silver Swords than he knows what to do with- and I think he would see it as an aspect of combat where he would outshine the dwarf. In other words, Zith would be confident enough in his skills to dismount his dragon and clash swords with our tiny dwarven champion. I think it would be quite fair, considering that neither of them update their silver swords and they'll be about the same level when the battle happens. |
| RealSorceror07-10-07, 03:03 PM | second, whos gonna Res. us if we die...no one..no one except salazar...and no offense intended towards our god of...what is he god of anyway..taint? but i dont think hes gona do that. I'm god of Evil Magic, you ass. XD And ya, I could raise you guys, but unless something changes in our pawn/mastermind relationship I don't see that happening, especially not right after the battle. If I raised you at all, it would be years later when things have cooled down. Also, just to let you know, Sal would be pretty useless in a fair fight vs. the Giantcrushers, and would likely die in a round or two. However, I could definitely fight Japheph, or at least keep him busy for a long time. I could also kill Arson, assuming I got the jump on him (otherwise he'd put some major hurt on me). I could also kill Bo, assuming I could trap him somehow. Dotrak could be trapped or incapacitated, although thats asking a lot. I'm definitely gonna have to inform Zith of Angus's powers so that he doesn't do anything rash (and by that I mean stupid). And respond to my PM before I cut you! |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-11-07, 07:19 PM | i am insu;lted to think that you could hope to defeat Bo, despite the fact that you might be able to do that...stupid time stop, and even then you wouldent do as much damage as you think. how many hits can salazar take before he pops like a zit anyhow? not too mention i have a secret weapon, if Bo cant win, a certain frendly dwarf in wieghtless full plate wielding a very large hammer and a very large axe might have a few words to say to a certain tainted old dude. ok, so back on topic...uhhh, ah yes. salazar is only the "mastermind" cause he knows more right now, which might change soon anyhow, we all know how much zith hates people over him, and cain isent gona take crap from a guy who only just gained divine rank. especially once he has his seat of power back in the shadow plain. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-12-07, 11:34 AM | ok, so back on topic...uhhh, ah yes. salazar is only the "mastermind" cause he knows more right now, which might change soon anyhow, we all know how much zith hates people over him, and cain isent gona take crap from a guy who only just gained divine rank. especially once he has his seat of power back in the shadow plain.There is nobody over Zith. Salazzar might be knowledgable, but Zith just views him as an advisor. He sees the taint beast as a useful addition to his regime, but as long as Zith lives- he is the ruler. Salazzar, your best bet is to remind Zith that he will be able to overcome Angus-just not yet. If you tell him he can't beat Angus (which seems to be the case), he'll rush head long towards that continent. |
| RealSorceror07-12-07, 11:46 AM | i am insu;lted to think that you could hope to defeat Bo, despite the fact that you might be able to do that...stupid time stop, and even then you wouldent do as much damage as you think. how many hits can salazar take before he pops like a zit anyhow? not too mention i have a secret weapon, if Bo cant win, a certain frendly dwarf in wieghtless full plate wielding a very large hammer and a very large axe might have a few words to say to a certain tainted old dude. Actually, I was thinking that Time Stop should just make you move at normal 60ft speed. :D Junior kills everything, and Sal is no exception. I only have a little over 1,000 hp, although that will go up some when I get more deital rank. And yes, I could kill Bo. I just have to be sure that Junior won't know it was me. ok, so back on topic...uhhh, ah yes. salazar is only the "mastermind" cause he knows more right now, which might change soon anyhow, we all know how much zith hates people over him, and cain isent gona take crap from a guy who only just gained divine rank. especially once he has his seat of power back in the shadow plain. Dude, I'm the Strategos. I'm Folken from Escaflowne (hell, I wouldn't even need to change clothes, I'd wrap my cape around myself and act all emo-genius). :D Zith is the big talking head. Hes the aw-inspiring, charismatic figurehead, and therefor I find it extremely convienient to keep him "in charge". I don't have time to talk (aka threaten) the public, and I can't be bothered with keeping law and order (aka oppressive marshal law). |
| RealSorceror07-12-07, 11:54 AM | There is nobody over Zith. Salazzar might be knowledgable, but Zith just views him as an advisor. He sees the taint beast as a useful addition to his regime, but as long as Zith lives- he is the ruler. Salazzar, your best bet is to remind Zith that he will be able to overcome Angus-just not yet. If you tell him he can't beat Angus (which seems to be the case), he'll rush head long towards that continent. No worries, my friend. I always tell Zith exactly what he wants to hear, and if he doesn't want to hear it, I'm skilled enough to convince him that it was his own ingenious idea. Sal: You don't want to fight Angus. Zith: I don't want to fight Angus?! Sal: Thats very wise of you, sir. We should train oursleves to be even stronger than your nemesis. (82 Bluff Check. I rolled low) Zith: I.....wh....yes, of course. Now do as I say! Strengthen our forces. Sal: Very good, m'lord. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-16-07, 12:32 AM | What a crazy weekend. I'm glad the fight with Vecna went well, I just feel bad that it was so quick. Sorry guys, I know how to play a god but not an epic caster- darn joo joo and wiggly fingers. I don't understand why Vecna didn't have Instant Counterspell as a Salient Ability- it would have been my first choice if I was making a god of magic. I also thought it was a waste to give Vecna Divine Shield, with no Constitution score he only had three shields. I guess its just another case of poor craftsmanship on the part of the creators of Deities and Demigods- though, still not as bad as the hack job they did on Zeus. I'm serious, Zeus doesn't even meet the Charisma prerequisites for many of his Salient Divine Abilities- which doesn't make sense because Zeus is one of the most charismatic characters in the greek legends. In any event, I'm glad ZIth is almost done with his pre-planned blackguard levels- I'm thinkin he'll go into Warlord of Utterdark followed by either Souleater or Legendary Dreadnought. His vile damage trick combined with power attack is just sick. I laughed when I saw someone made a comment on the Kidney of Vecna page that our game is a case of "too epic games." Granted to most people ,we totally are- but I just spent the better half of today updating everyone's favorite dwarven god and his lovely wife (mmmmmm.....Mitsuko). *sigh* She is the coolest Astral Deva, Knight, Epic Iaijutsu Master ever. Not trying to offend anyone, but we love Epic play just as much as starting a new first level game. Speaking of which, I can't wait to get a crack at the tentacle beast dream deity that forced my little samurai to perform seppuku. I'm even contemplating sending the Favored Soul of Angus into the nightmare realm to threaten him for me. If only my Dwarven God knew. Its kinda difficult to get attached to my character when I'm not sure if he's really doing stuff or not. That twilight zone stuff is disorienting- I want Angus to beat him for real. I was worried that this would happen- we start a new game, Angus shows up as an NPC, and suddenly I want to play him more than my current player character. I guess I'll just have to settle for my Half-Succubus Samurai kid snuggling with the little Shugenja girl. :D |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-16-07, 12:36 AM | no respect for the guard dragon cain, who has recovered and can use his full name. WB galoneever cain! anyway, yeah, i should just give up trying to be the stratogist, ive got a high level wizard that zith has called his stratogist on multiple occaisions, and zith generally does a good job at planning anyway. all ive ever done as a stratogist is tell zith what troop order would be best for causing te most phycological harm. so i think cain is just gona back off from that, stupid taint beast...stealing divine rank from zith, stealing my glory...*mutter.* hate grows with each passing day salad bar. and i dont think salazar could beat Bo, unlike everything else you have ever faced with that char. Bo has a reflex save, so no crappy vermin crown spell for you, plus hes not effected by time stop, and besides, JR. knows everything that happens to Bo, dont you think he would forever seek out the killer of his best friend? what are your thoughts on this angus? |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-16-07, 12:49 AM | and i dont think salazar could beat Bo, unlike everything else you have ever faced with that char. Bo has a reflex save, so no crappy vermin crown spell for you, plus hes not effected by time stop, and besides, JR. knows everything that happens to Bo, dont you think he would forever seek out the killer of his best friend? what are your thoughts on this angus?Oh, no doubt Junior would follow Bo's murderer to the ends of reality- but that's the big problem. Salazzar kills Bo, Junior kills Salazzar, Zith kills Junior, Angus kills Zith, Cain and Kothar try to kill Angus, Angus kills Cain, Angus kills Kothar- it just keeps going. I'm so glad that hypothetical sequence of battles stopped before Mitsuko was brought into the mix. |
| RealSorceror07-16-07, 10:45 AM | What a crazy weekend. I'm glad the fight with Vecna went well, I just feel bad that it was so quick. Sorry guys, I know how to play a god but not an epic caster- darn joo joo and wiggly fingers. I don't understand why Vecna didn't have Instant Counterspell as a Salient Ability- it would have been my first choice if I was making a god of magic. I also thought it was a waste to give Vecna Divine Shield, with no Constitution score he only had three shields. I guess its just another case of poor craftsmanship on the part of the creators of Deities and Demigods- though, still not as bad as the hack job they did on Zeus. I'm serious, Zeus doesn't even meet the Charisma prerequisites for many of his Salient Divine Abilities- which doesn't make sense because Zeus is one of the most charismatic characters in the greek legends. I must admit that both me and Sal where a little confused when Vecna just keeled over and died. I had one of those little anime sweat drops, and I just looked back at Zith and shrugged. Granted, I do rip **** apart, and I'm not sure that battle really would have gone much differently. Ryan would have made it last longer, but it would have been gay and I still would have killed me some lich anyway (and of course, fun is always better than frustration, even if it is anti-climatic). In any event, I'm glad ZIth is almost done with his pre-planned blackguard levels- I'm thinkin he'll go into Warlord of Utterdark followed by either Souleater or Legendary Dreadnought. His vile damage trick combined with power attack is just sick. That Vile damage scares me. I laughed when I saw someone made a comment on the Kidney of Vecna page that our game is a case of "too epic games." Granted to most people ,we totally are- but I just spent the better half of today updating everyone's favorite dwarven god and his lovely wife (mmmmmm.....Mitsuko). *sigh* She is the coolest Astral Deva, Knight, Epic Iaijutsu Master ever. Not trying to offend anyone, but we love Epic play just as much as starting a new first level game. Right you are, my good Dwarf. We play characters of all levels, and we have damn fun doin' it. Speaking of which, I can't wait to get a crack at the tentacle beast dream deity that forced my little samurai to perform seppuku. I'm even contemplating sending the Favored Soul of Angus into the nightmare realm to threaten him for me. If only my Dwarven God knew. Its kinda difficult to get attached to my character when I'm not sure if he's really doing stuff or not. That twilight zone stuff is disorienting- I want Angus to beat him for real. I was worried that this would happen- we start a new game, Angus shows up as an NPC, and suddenly I want to play him more than my current player character. I guess I'll just have to settle for my Half-Succubus Samurai kid snuggling with the little Shugenja girl. :D *relieved* I was expecting an angry rant after the end of that session. The Kobold has more guts than me. I don't think I could have dream choked all of your dream characters. I still can't believe he caught me off guard. We had planned to switch between the dream and real world each session, and so I thought we where in the real world (and he was just using illusion magic) up until the Nightmare King started dream gloating and dream choking. I'm glad everyone likes Harl. Hes like Arson but with actual Int, Wisdom, and Charisma, which means he can turn 'off' the abrasiveness while on a Job. I got a little confused while playing, because Harl is so much weaker (physically) and less skilled with weapons than Klien. Thats why Shensai and the cats kicked my roguish butt so bad (Klien would have sluaghtered the cats). |
| RealSorceror07-16-07, 10:59 AM | no respect for the guard dragon cain, who has recovered and can use his full name. WB galoneever cain! anyway, yeah, i should just give up trying to be the stratogist, ive got a high level wizard that zith has called his stratogist on multiple occaisions, and zith generally does a good job at planning anyway. all ive ever done as a stratogist is tell zith what troop order would be best for causing te most phycological harm. so i think cain is just gona back off from that, stupid taint beast...stealing divine rank from zith, stealing my glory...*mutter.* hate grows with each passing day salad bar. Stealing your glory? I think not. All of my greatest accomplishements are either secret or not well known. I always keep out of the limelight. Notice how I still haven't asked for a seat beside you and Zith, even though I have lead you straight to major artifacts and provided you with world-changing information and maps? Oh, and don't worry about that Divine Rank. After Nurall is taken down, you two will be getting 10 or 12 DR, while I'll still be a Lesser Deity. and i dont think salazar could beat Bo, unlike everything else you have ever faced with that char. Bo has a reflex save, so no crappy vermin crown spell for you, plus hes not effected by time stop, and besides, JR. knows everything that happens to Bo, dont you think he would forever seek out the killer of his best friend? It would be a much closer fight than anything else I've done so far, but I still think it can be done. Unlike Chubby Mc Metal Pants, I can actually do something to stop all that Spring Attacking. The fact that Junior would rip my masked head off and **** down my neck afterwords goes without saying. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-16-07, 02:28 PM | Stealing your glory? I think not. All of my greatest accomplishements are either secret or not well known. I always keep out of the limelight. Notice how I still haven't asked for a seat beside you and Zith, even though I have lead you straight to major artifacts and provided you with world-changing information and maps? Oh, and don't worry about that Divine Rank. After Nurall is taken down, you two will be getting 10 or 12 DR, while I'll still be a Lesser Deity. It would be a much closer fight than anything else I've done so far, but I still think it can be done. Unlike Chubby Mc Metal Pants, I can actually do something to stop all that Spring Attacking. The fact that Junior would rip my masked head off and **** down my neck afterwords goes without saying. oh, so Bo has to fight you face to face, meaning he does slightly more damage because he gets more attacks in? can you say bunny form dwarvin hammer fist? i can, and it sounds oh s sweet. lol, alright well in any case i just dont want to fade into the background like everyone else in the party that used to be. and yus, i have more guts then i know what to do with, i admit freely that i took it a bit too far, but i think i can make it better, and on the plus side i dont think the nightmare king will be making an appearence again for a while. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-16-07, 10:55 PM | and yus, i have more guts then i know what to do with, i admit freely that i took it a bit too far, but i think i can make it better, and on the plus side i dont think the nightmare king will be making an appearence again for a while.Yup, it was slightly intense, but as I said earlier- I wasn't really upset about Shensei, but I was about Angus. If a teenage samurai boy is outclassed by a nightmare deity, no big loss. In a dream or not, Angus is the ****-and everyone needs to take a big whiff. Angus in a dream, where he is bound only by his imagination, would be ten times worse than the real Angus- good for our psuedonatural friend that Angus doesn't sleep. I also didn't like watching Mitsuko die, but that was my first hint that it wasn't real. First off, the girl is near indestructable. Second, Angus would turn horribly evil if someone killed his lovely wife- and would proceed to stuff its tentacles into its throat. I was slightly upset about Shinsei, but only because the character is so focused on his crush- our little pheonix shugenja girl. I felt like he was finally making progress with her, and now he's back to square one because it didn't really happen. The boy is mute and shy, he's got enough stuff workin against him without blue-girl's ex boyfriend messin with his head. I really hope that the other players find him in time. He'll wake up thinking it was all a dream, and everything is fine- until he finds Ohmi's dead corpse in the bed next to him. Then, he'll think that everyone who died in the dream truly died- his parents, Angus, Mitsuko, his twin sister, and most importantly his little love interest. In other words, the minute that all of this stuff sinks in- He'll commit seppuku faster than you can say "hari-kari.":weep: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-17-07, 01:10 AM | x.x and its moments like this where i wish to hang up my wooden broadsword. on one hand i role played the guy to a letter, fuffiling his dream which happens to be everyone elses nightmare. on the other hand i felt the crushing dispair that the players felt. to quote my good friend Real. " I am a DM third, a player first, and a power gamer second." lol, but seriously, i feel really bad and i didnt even do any of the speciale abilities of the dude. unfortunatly this is a heavy pychological horror game. everything is mental in this game, along with a good helping of taint.two games in and one charector already has 8 points of taint, landing her in the moderate taint section, and starting her well on the way to dementia, or mania. but im hoping to introduce more dungeon crawling, less nightmare king fighting. in my defense i was trying for one of those video game esq. scenes where the final boss is blatently sitting on the hill waiting for you, and no matter what you try you fail misserably. hes hoping to inspire despair, but im afraid i may have crushed the parties spirits too soon. x.x now i need to think of a few reasons sepeku isent allowed early in the morning before people wake him up. maybe like...pancakes...super pancakes, right in the room. with large gobs of syrup and sugar, and all those things kids like on there pancakes. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-17-07, 01:28 AM | x.x now i need to think of a few reasons sepeku isent allowed early in the morning before people wake him up. maybe like...pancakes...super pancakes, right in the room. with large gobs of syrup and sugar, and all those things kids like on there pancakes.At this point, there are only a few ways to stop him. One, that Mitsuko (his daimyo and kami) herself shows up and beats him with a paper fan. Two, that the entire party finds his room fast enough to stop him- but I don't think that they truly realize the mindset he's in right now, and therefore won't be in any hurry to find him. And last, but not least, if there is some kind of intervention by the pheonix girl (this one is my personal favorite :) ). If the party finds him, his sister will be able to stop him. If Midori finds him, he'll be too distracted to remember what he was doing- heck, she's the reason he's killin himself (thinks he allowed nightmare boy to kill her). Mitsuko is the only one who would probably know what he is doing, be able to find him, stop him, and could possibly prevent this situation from happening in the future- the kami of love has plans for Shinsei and Midori, after all. ;) Gosh, I hate it when "honorable" can also mean "lawful stupid." |
| RealSorceror07-17-07, 10:46 AM | At this point, there are only a few ways to stop him. One, that Mitsuko (his daimyo and kami) herself shows up and beats him with a paper fan. Two, that the entire party finds his room fast enough to stop him- but I don't think that they truly realize the mindset he's in right now, and therefore won't be in any hurry to find him. And last, but not least, if there is some kind of intervention by the pheonix girl (this one is my personal favorite :) ). If the party finds him, his sister will be able to stop him. If Midori finds him, he'll be too distracted to remember what he was doing- heck, she's the reason he's killin himself (thinks he allowed nightmare boy to kill her). Mitsuko is the only one who would probably know what he is doing, be able to find him, stop him, and could possibly prevent this situation from happening in the future- the kami of love has plans for Shinsei and Midori, after all. ;) Gosh, I hate it when "honorable" can also mean "lawful stupid." No worries. Klien is about to tackle and pin your crazy ass. First thing hes gonna do, in fact, because he ain't sleepin' in after his arch-nemesis reapeared. In fact, Klien won't be sleeping at all till we get back to Angalor. Also, just so you know, everything mental in the dream really did happen. Everything you said was real, and we all heard it. That means your drama-filled teenage romance is still intacked. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-17-07, 11:22 PM | No worries. Klien is about to tackle and pin your crazy ass. First thing hes gonna do, in fact, because he ain't sleepin' in after his arch-nemesis reapeared. In fact, Klien won't be sleeping at all till we get back to Angalor. Also, just so you know, everything mental in the dream really did happen. Everything you said was real, and we all heard it. That means your drama-filled teenage romance is still intacked. I was talkin with Mitsuko today (IRL), and we worked out a way for our characters to figure out that it was quasi real- it should be sickeningly cute. :) I'm just worried about the whole seppuku thing. Klien should know it was real, but he wasn't with us in the inn- he doesn't know where we are. I'm also not sure if he knows the little scrapper well enough to know he's gonna gut himself. I really like Shinsei as a character, I just hope someone gets to him in time. Sorry if I'm being a pain; but he's a sensitive little teenage half-succubus samurai kid who also happens to be madly in love- he has all sorts of drama. I built him to be emotional and honorable, in other words- someone who's difficult to roleplay. :) In other news, I did a sweet drawing of Ayami today- I hope Mitsuko doesn't steal it from me. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-19-07, 02:50 AM | *rubs hands together.* i can save his life, i have the ability...besides, the pheonix girl was asleep before any of you even fought the nightmare lord. therefore by dream rules, she would wake up before the rest of the party. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-19-07, 02:54 PM | *rubs hands together.* i can save his life, i have the ability...besides, the pheonix girl was asleep before any of you even fought the nightmare lord. therefore by dream rules, she would wake up before the rest of the party.i'm glad, when it comes down to it- I really want her to stop Shinsei. Mitsuko was a close second, but the pheonix girl was still my first choice. I've only played two games as Shinsei, and I'm already thinkin of playing his and Midori's child in a different game- he'd be a fiery half-succubus half-elf sorceror thing. Angus and Arson would adopt it immediately. It would be pretty sweet. :D |
| RealSorceror07-19-07, 03:06 PM | i'm glad, when it comes down to it- I really want her to stop Shinsei. Mitsuko was a close second, but the pheonix girl was still my first choice. I've only played two games as Shinsei, and I'm already thinkin of playing his and Midori's child in a different game- he'd be a fiery half-succubus half-elf sorceror thing. Angus and Arson would adopt it immediately. It would be pretty sweet. :D Angus wants to play a spellcaster? Wait....am...am I dead? Is....is any of this real? Quick, whats the temperature in Hell?! *continues ranting and generally being an ass* EDIT: Ok, so in this hypothetical future game in which you want to play a caster, do you mind if I play Sal's kid? (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=887297) Unlike Salazzar, his child will be all melee (and also will not be evil). |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-19-07, 04:47 PM | oh crap, where still in the nightmare..lol angus as a spell caster does in fact seem like the end of the world. but it cant be all bad right....right? im not hearing much affermation. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-19-07, 09:24 PM | oh crap, where still in the nightmare..lol angus as a spell caster does in fact seem like the end of the world. but it cant be all bad right....right? im not hearing much affermation.Actually, not too far from the truth. As with many of my better ideas, it was inspired by a cool dream I had (IRL). :) He obviously looked like Thraster and Shinsei, same anime hair style except it was red and fiery. He had green eyes, like Midori. He wore the robes of a pheonix shugenja, and had wings made of flames. He kept blasting enemies with what I can only describe as "fireballs." :cool: I had another real life dream about our dwarven god- in a battle with the nightmare king. Sorry Cain, my dream was much different than the tentacle beast's. It was awesome, Angus and the Nightmare King fighting each other in the rain above an ocean. I could see a nearby city, and hundreds of people lined the shore to watch the battle. They were all chanting Angus' deital name, but I woke up before the duel had finished. :confused: Oh well, it was cool. In any event, I attribute all of my strange dreams to a Mountain Dew binge, eating a slice of Oreo cake at 3am, lack of sleep from the night before, and a severe case of Mitsuko deprivation- she's away fighting at that tournament, and left a very lonely shell of a dwarven god sitting at home. :weep: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-20-07, 01:07 AM | x.x i will be haunted with that cut scene for the rest of my career as a DM. |
| RealSorceror07-20-07, 09:30 AM | Actually, not too far from the truth. As with many of my better ideas, it was inspired by a cool dream I had (IRL). :) He obviously looked like Thraster and Shinsei, same anime hair style except it was red and fiery. He had green eyes, like Midori. He wore the robes of a pheonix shugenja, and had wings made of flames. He kept blasting enemies with what I can only describe as "fireballs." :cool: No worries Angus. I'll help you build the awsomest Sorcerer evar. Also, we'll have a look at the Wu Jen, Warlock, and Warmage to see if they work out better. I had another real life dream about our dwarven god- in a battle with the nightmare king. Sorry Cain, my dream was much different than the tentacle beast's. It was awesome, Angus and the Nightmare King fighting each other in the rain above an ocean. I could see a nearby city, and hundreds of people lined the shore to watch the battle. They were all chanting Angus' deital name, but I woke up before the duel had finished. :confused: What the.....? Thats...thats exactly what I had planned. :uh-huh: You guys are supposed to fight during a storm over the ruins of a dream city. And, depending on where you fly, you very well could fight over the ocean... Oh well, it was cool. In any event, I attribute all of my strange dreams to a Mountain Dew binge, eating a slice of Oreo cake at 3am, lack of sleep from the night before, and a severe case of Mitsuko deprivation- she's away fighting at that tournament, and left a very lonely shell of a dwarven god sitting at home. :weep: Ya, that'll do it. Thats just the kind of brew to induce prophetical visions. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-20-07, 10:33 AM | What the.....? Thats...thats exactly what I had planned. :uh-huh:You guys are supposed to fight during a storm over the ruins of a dream city. And, depending on where you fly, you very well could fight over the ocean...Lols....I got the last swing on Vecna's soul receptical, and suddenly Angus is the god of secrets- only he knows "out-of-game knowledge" secrets too. :cool: I love that little dude- he really is my favorite character evar. The gith comes in a close second. |
| RealSorceror07-20-07, 10:39 AM | Lols....I got the last swing on Vecna's soul receptical, and suddenly Angus is the god of secrets- only he knows "out-of-game knowledge" secrets too. :cool: I love that little dude- he really is my favorite character evar. The gith comes in a close second. That would be so friggin' messed up if you became God of secrets instead of me. Technically, you do have the option to take whatever portfolio elements you want from Vecna. Course', then I'd hate you forevar. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-20-07, 10:45 AM | That would be so friggin' messed up if you became God of secrets instead of me. Technically, you do have the option to take whatever portfolio elements you want from Vecna. Course', then I'd hate you forevar. No worries Salazzar, Angus couldn't be the god of secrets- he isn't subtle. Hell, he can't even spell it. I can't wait for game, I'm gettin cabin fever without Mitsuko here. :weep: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-22-07, 03:29 PM | hehehe, so fellas, whats the damage on a collasal simple weapon again? also, cain is dooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeee eeeeeeeeeeedddddddd!!!!!!.......... doomed i say. mitzy there is gona take one lok and theres gona be an iajutsu master sitting right there next to him, using echos of the edge to take off his head. |
| RealSorceror07-23-07, 11:03 AM | hehehe, so fellas, whats the damage on a collasal simple weapon again? also, cain is dooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeee eeeeeeeeeeedddddddd!!!!!!.......... doomed i say. mitzy there is gona take one lok and theres gona be an iajutsu master sitting right there next to him, using echos of the edge to take off his head. What are you crying about? We are higher divine rank than Mitsuko. We can block her divine senses. She won't evar know. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-23-07, 12:41 PM | What are you crying about? We are higher divine rank than Mitsuko. We can block her divine senses. She won't evar know. Um....she's Divine Rank 20- just like you. Anyhoosen, I've got a cool story reason why she won't be able to sense us- at least until the pantheons clash. After that, I can't stop her-god I hate dragons, especially deital dragons. It also helps to explain why Zith, Cain, and Salazzar weren't around for most of the games between Ragnarok and the Burning Axe campaign (the xxx game :embarrass ). It also helps to explain what happened to Vega. I also have figured out how I'm going to tie up the last few sessions of that campaign, and I know how to take care of Ravana. |
| RealSorceror07-23-07, 02:18 PM | Um....she's Divine Rank 20- just like you. Anyhoosen, I've got a cool story reason why she won't be able to sense us- at least until the pantheons clash. After that, I can't stop her-god I hate dragons, especially deital dragons. It also helps to explain why Zith, Cain, and Salazzar weren't around for most of the games between Ragnarok and the Burning Axe campaign (the xxx game :embarrass ). It also helps to explain what happened to Vega. I also have figured out how I'm going to tie up the last few sessions of that campaign, and I know how to take care of Ravana. Exactly, shes divine rank 20. You can block the sensing of deities of equal or lower level. So it still works. However, story-line reasons always work better than boring rules lawering. Also, I had no idea that the xxx game was called Burning Axe. I'm sure it has to do with the Heretic, but I'm gonna pretend its because of Arson. :mage: |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 12:54 AM | Exactly, shes divine rank 20. You can block the sensing of deities of equal or lower level. So it still works. However, story-line reasons always work better than boring rules lawering. Also, I had no idea that the xxx game was called Burning Axe. I'm sure it has to do with the Heretic, but I'm gonna pretend its because of Arson. :mage:It was the name of the military group that our party was originally a part of- like it matters anymore. I don't think you can block the portfolio sense of a god-and something more beautiful than Mitsuko would be part of her portfolio. Cain just neglected to mention that he, as a mortal dragon, matched Mitsuko's charisma score- if we want to be technical, she should have cut down cain weeks before his ascension. But, like you said- story is always cooler than rules :) Japheph was talking to me sunday about our "divine blasts can't be deflected " rule- and I think he wants another ruling on the matter. He brought up the point that we ruled on that in a group comprised primarily of other DMs who no longer play. When it comes down to it, Japheph and I are the only remaining members of our original group. I wouldn't mind a new perspective on the ruling, but I think it would still be impossible to deflect a mass divine blast. I'm not worried, either way Angus is prepared for anything the group chooses. :D |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-24-07, 01:06 AM | i still say mass divine blast is undeflectable, on the grounds that its used as an unavoidable area attack, however i think that if your using it in the other way, the one that targets five single people, that maybe it could be deflected. however my opinion on the basic divine blast has not changed, Bo has taken several feats, and a salene ability or two to be able to deflect ANY projectiles and or ranged attacks. and the xxx game was supposed to be called burning axe...*snikker.* |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 01:42 AM | i still say mass divine blast is undeflectable, on the grounds that its used as an unavoidable area attack, however i think that if your using it in the other way, the one that targets five single people, that maybe it could be deflected. however my opinion on the basic divine blast has not changed, Bo has taken several feats, and a salene ability or two to be able to deflect ANY projectiles and or ranged attacks. and the xxx game was supposed to be called burning axe...*snikker.*Yup, Angus' shield of Exceptional Arrow Deflection will allow him to always deflect any kind of ranged attack- so I guess its really left up to those of us who still have our hands blown off when we try to deflect divine blasts.I'm not so certain that I want Helia opening Junior's peanut butter jars for the rest of their natural existance. :P |
| Sliversun07-24-07, 06:27 AM | bump. |
| Asra07-24-07, 09:12 AM | You guys seem to have a pretty great game going. I'm just curious, do you increase stats like they do for the gods in Dicefreaks, or the default way? Can I see your stats? I want to get a look at just how epic you guys are. |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 09:24 AM | It was the name of the military group that our party was originally a part of- like it matters anymore. I don't think you can block the portfolio sense of a god-and something more beautiful than Mitsuko would be part of her portfolio. Cain just neglected to mention that he, as a mortal dragon, matched Mitsuko's charisma score- if we want to be technical, she should have cut down cain weeks before his ascension. But, like you said- story is always cooler than rules :) Japheph was talking to me sunday about our "divine blasts can't be deflected " rule- and I think he wants another ruling on the matter. He brought up the point that we ruled on that in a group comprised primarily of other DMs who no longer play. When it comes down to it, Japheph and I are the only remaining members of our original group. I wouldn't mind a new perspective on the ruling, but I think it would still be impossible to deflect a mass divine blast. I'm not worried, either way Angus is prepared for anything the group chooses. :D There is an epic feat that allows a Monk (or similar character) to deflect ranged spells (such as Scorching Ray). If this feat allowed a character to deflect an Eldrich Blast (which is Divine Blast's little brother) than I don't see why a character couldn't deflect a Divine Blast. Of course, you might rule that only a deity of equal or greater rank can deflect such a blast. |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 09:39 AM | You guys seem to have a pretty great game going. I'm just curious, do you increase stats like they do for the gods in Dicefreaks, or the default way? Can I see your stats? I want to get a look at just how epic you guys are. Thanks. :D Our gods are between level 40 and 75 (with the majority being around 60ish). We increase our stats using the default method, plus divine array (1 extra ability point per divine rank). This places some of our scores over 60, with a rare few over 80 (Whurrak the city god has a Strength of 98 without magical enhancement). I don't have any of their sheets with me, but perhaps I'll post one later this week. There are more or less two pantheons, with the evil deity characters on one side and the good ones on the other (both pantheons contain nuetral dieties as well). Then there are two or three who don't participate on either side, such as Ojike the Rat Lord. There are also two Elder Evils, Ravana (the progenitor of all feinds and evil outsiders), and the Nightmare Lord (an alien god from the Far Realm). Both of them are horrible masterpieces of evil, and shall not be posted before weak-willed minds. :) |
| Asra07-24-07, 09:46 AM | So do all your gods have 20 Outsider Hit Dice too? All of em in Deities and Demigods seem to, except Vecna. |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 09:56 AM | So do all your gods have 20 Outsider Hit Dice too? All of em in Deities and Demigods seem to, except Vecna. Nope. (Well, I think both the Elder Evils do, but they are the sole exception) All of our deities are ascended player characters or NPCs, and most of them have been played since around level 4-15. Their entire progression is just class levels and prestige classes, although a few have racial HD or templates. Many of them where never intended to be deities, but we have recently started to plan out who will ascend so that our pantheon doesn't become imbalanced. |
| Asra07-24-07, 10:20 AM | Ahh! Well I can't wait to see those stats then. :evillaugh |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 10:55 AM | Sweet, someone not from our group on this board- it has been quite some time. Howdy, new person :) |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 11:04 AM | Off the top of my head (I'll fill in more of this later): Whurrak, lvl 65. Divine Rank 6 - god of cities, engines, craftsmanship, and knowledge Clockwork Adept (augmented Warforged), True Neutral Mech Jockey 16/ Vessel of Dotrak 10/ Steamjock Harrier 10/ Hereal Ranger 4/ Mech Devil 10/ Irontooth Ronin 5/ Assimilated 5/ Mech Symbiote 5 *if you don't have the DragonMech rulebook, Whurrak's stats will make little sense Salazzar, lvl 70. Divine Rank 16 - god of dark magic, corruption, secrets, and lies Shadowlands Oni (augmented Half-Elf), Neutral Evil Bard 3/ Druid 3/ Wizard 3/ Cleric 3/ Folchun(sp?) Lyrist 10/ True Necromancer 14/ Mystic Thuerge 10/ Arcane Heirophant 10/ Geomancer 10/ Corrupt Avenger 4 Ojike the Rat Lord, lvl 40. Hero Deity - patron of vermin, merchents, and collecters Nezumi Wererat, True Neutral Druid 20/ Surviver 5/ Warshaper 5/ Ninja 3/ Swarm Creature and Wererat Templates 7 Arson the Fire Crime, lvl 40. Hero Deity - patron of Sorcerers and Warlocks Fire Genasi, Chaotic Neutral Warlock 17/ Hellfire Warlock 3/ Shadowcaster 10/ Eldritch Thuerge 10 The Nightmare Lord, lvl ??. Divine Rank 20 - god of abberrations and fear Black Etherguant (heavily augmented), Chaotic Evil Outsider 20 (racial HD)/ Beholder Mage 10/ Master Specialist (Illusion) 10/ Nightmare Spinner 5/ Dread Witch 5/ ?? *One of my players will be fighting this creature soon, so I will not be posting full stats. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 11:37 AM | RealSorceror;13173839]The Nightmare Lord, lvl ??. Divine Rank 20 - god of abberrations and fear Black Etherguant (heavily augmented), Chaotic Evil Outsider 20 (racial HD)/ Beholder Mage 10/ Master Specialist (Illusion) 10/ Nightmare Spinner 5/ Dread Witch 5/ ?? *One of my players will be fighting this creature soon, so I will not be posting full stats. I can't wait to fight him- smearing my cool name all over the nightmare plane. He needs to kill me in a dream-he can't take me in real life. Even if I die horribly while fighting him- he doesn't leave the field without my name burned onto his brain. He might win, but I'll maim him for it. :mad: |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 12:08 PM | BTW, has Salazzar not seen the new Taint board that just started? You should post on it, Whurrak. :) |
| Asra07-24-07, 12:24 PM | Which dragonmech books are some of those prcs from? I have the campaign setting and just got the mech manual a few days ago. Also, how do you go about augmenting something? Is it a case-by-case basis or do you just randomly toss the things together to make it badass? Curses, and no stats for the big epic god monsters? Sentient citymechs are pretty cool though, how exactly did he go about going from warforged to being an actual citymech? |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 12:59 PM | Which dragonmech books are some of those prcs from? I have the campaign setting and just got the mech manual a few days ago. Also, how do you go about augmenting something? Is it a case-by-case basis or do you just randomly toss the things together to make it badass? Curses, and no stats for the big epic god monsters? Whurrak primarily uses the rules in the core DragonMech handbook for his mech, but also has prestige classes from other DragonMech material, such as the Second Age of Walkers. He also has a few items from the Iron Kingdoms sourcebook, such as a Nexus Core. "Augmented" usually means I have added templates related to the character's portfolio or backstory. Salazzar, for example, has several Oirental Adventures templates and varient rules, because he used the Taint to fight off an Illithid invasion during his mortal life. Whurrak, on the other hand, has used his deital power over constructs to make himself and his mech into epic major artifacts. He is therefore immune to all direct harm, although he still has a specific means of destruction. As for the Nightmare Lord, no, I can't give his full stats until after the fight, which may not happen for another 2-3 weeks. I will say that I used the Amalgam template from Green Ronin's Monster Manual way too much. This amazing template allows you to combine any two creatures into one. I combined a Black Etherguant with an Aboleth, and then used it again to combine with a Beholder, then a Mind Flayer, and so on and so forth until I was too sickened with what I had created to continue. :) Sentient citymechs are pretty cool though, how exactly did he go about going from warforged to being an actual citymech? He uses two prestige classes. The Assimilated and the Mech Symbiote. These classes allow him to connect into the city mech and become it for all intents and purposes (for example, his soul pervades the entire mech while connected). He can control the mech as if the limbs where his own, and even gains tactile sense from the metal hull. Whurrak can still "unplug" from the mech as a full round action, although the city then loses all the benefits of divine rank (including max hp for its 1000 hit dice). Because of the Symbiote class, Whurrak can respawn after being killed infinitely as long as the city mech is still functioning, although this takes 1 week to recreate his body. |
| Asra07-24-07, 02:06 PM | So you all started at epic or pre-epic? How long did it take? Epic games are always fun. Green Ronin's Monster Manual? Is it called Monster Manual? I know there are some monster compendium books... Which book is it from exactly? |
| RealSorceror07-24-07, 02:25 PM | So you all started at epic or pre-epic? How long did it take? Epic games are always fun. Depends. Some characters have been played for over a year or more (the dwarven god Angus, the wizard god Japheph, and the dragon god Galoneever have probably been played the longest), while others are a few months old. As for myself, most of my deities where played sporadically, such as playing from 3-7 lvl, then coming back to play 20-30, and then later playing 50-65. All the characters have detailed backstories, and usually a backstory is created if a character skips levels or starts at epic. And ya, they are helluva fun to play, although its beastly to update at that level, so we usually update in blocks of five levels after completing a story arc or major event. Green Ronin's Monster Manual? Is it called Monster Manual? I know there are some monster compendium books... Which book is it from exactly? Its called Green Ronin's Advanced Bestairy. (http://www.greenronin.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?) If you like templates, buy it, because the whole book is nothing but templates, and most of them are absolutely amazing. The templates for creating the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse are especially sweet. We've run a few games as the horsemen, and it makes for a very interesting campaign, especially since the players are semi-indestructable without being completely god-like. |
| Asra07-24-07, 02:33 PM | Niiice! I found out I had that one. I just had to look harder. This should come in handy. Sounds like a good way to handle it. But it'd probably be hard to make most fights challenging without too overpowered at that level. ;) |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-24-07, 04:22 PM | the nightmere lord is being faught in 2-3 weeks? :eek: i coulda sworn we where purposfuly drawing out the campaighn so that it would be fun and so that dities would have less of an influence on the player chars.? but i suppose if you really really really want to fight angus as the real nighmare lord right now, then....*shrugs* oh and yay props for galoneever cain! nuetral god over all dragons. :D |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-24-07, 05:09 PM | the nightmere lord is being faught in 2-3 weeks? :eek: i coulda sworn we where purposfuly drawing out the campaighn so that it would be fun and so that dities would have less of an influence on the player chars.? but i suppose if you really really really want to fight angus as the real nighmare lord right now, then....*shrugs*Everyone wants a piece of me. I might as well tatoo a huge bullseye in the center of Angus' chest. I still think that the Nightmare King is somehow related to Salazzar- heck, he may even be Salazzar. In any event, I'm sick of his dream world propoganda against my Dwarven God. Why is everyone trying to kill my dwarf- he's squeezably soft, after all. :P |
| RealSorceror07-25-07, 09:18 AM | the nightmere lord is being faught in 2-3 weeks? :eek: i coulda sworn we where purposfuly drawing out the campaighn so that it would be fun and so that dities would have less of an influence on the player chars.? but i suppose if you really really really want to fight angus as the real nighmare lord right now, then....*shrugs* oh and yay props for galoneever cain! nuetral god over all dragons. :D Yeah, I suppose that is too soon. But hey, its not like they can't fight multiple times. Everyone wants a piece of me. I might as well tatoo a huge bullseye in the center of Angus' chest. I still think that the Nightmare King is somehow related to Salazzar- heck, he may even be Salazzar. In any event, I'm sick of his dream world propoganda against my Dwarven God. Why is everyone trying to kill my dwarf- he's squeezably soft, after all. You did kinda turn Mammon into a coat. And you killed Tiamat. And Lolth. And Ilsinsine. And Surtur. And Andy-blackalack. And no, Sal is not the Nightmare King. He doesn't have half the cool crap that the King has. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-25-07, 11:04 AM | Yeah, I suppose that is too soon. But hey, its not like they can't fight multiple times.I say so, if we fight- one of us isn't leaving. You did kinda turn Mammon into a coat. And you killed Tiamat. And Lolth. And Ilsinsine. And Surtur. And Andy-blackalack.Hehehe, I did that. And Thrym-don't forget Thrym.Arson in the background-"Take that Couch Cusion of Mammon!" And no, Sal is not the Nightmare King. He doesn't have half the cool crap that the King has. Eh, who the hell has such beef with my character and could live 1000 or so years to kill me. He happens to be an evil collection of the souls of villains I've killed in the past- and they all want my blood. I'm sick of waiting- I want him dead...yesterday. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-25-07, 11:34 AM | And to make matters worse, I just got off the phone with the Kobold- and he made a comment about the Nightmare King getting frisky with Mitsuko. Sorry Whurrak, I don't think I can wait two weeks to kill him- he needs to die now. I won't be satified until he's dead and hanging from my throne room wall. My character is married to the most attractive woman in existance. I'm playing a dwarf married to an astral deva that looks like a freakin super model- I'm all sorts of jealous. Squid,its what's for dinner-tonight. :mad: |
| RealSorceror07-25-07, 12:09 PM | And to make matters worse, I just got off the phone with the Kobold- and he made a comment about the Nightmare King getting frisky with Mitsuko. Sorry Whurrak, I don't think I can wait two weeks to kill him- he needs to die now. I won't be satified until he's dead and hanging from my throne room wall. My character is married to the most attractive woman in existance. I'm playing a dwarf married to an astral deva that looks like a freakin super model- I'm all sorts of jealous. Squid,its what's for dinner-tonight. :mad: :uh-huh: The Kobold said what?! I do not want the Nightmare anywhere near a pretty lady. The blighter is covered in tentacles, and spines, and slime, and all manner of not friendly.... He doesn't need to be in the same reality as Mitsuko. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-26-07, 12:36 PM | :uh-huh: The Kobold said what?! I do not want the Nightmare anywhere near a pretty lady. The blighter is covered in tentacles, and spines, and slime, and all manner of not friendly.... He doesn't need to be in the same reality as Mitsuko.I couldn't have said it better myself- he's going to die :mad: In any event, I finally finished updating Angus and Mitsuko- now I'm working on Zith. I even finished his fig yesterday- the wings look freakin sweet. I love it, and that fig was sweet to begin with- now its sweet and has the wings of a pit fiend :cool: I want to take a picture of Zith's mini surrounded by the succubi figs and title it "Evil Pimpin." I kept playing "Drew's Miniatures Theatre" yesterday(me playing with my figs while working out dialogue between the two characters)- Angus and Zith monologued for like two hours. It was awesome- Zith's fig is nearly twice the height of Angus.' :P |
| RealSorceror07-26-07, 02:28 PM | I couldn't have said it better myself- he's going to die :mad: In any event, I finally finished updating Angus and Mitsuko- now I'm working on Zith. I even finished his fig yesterday- the wings look freakin sweet. I love it, and that fig was sweet to begin with- now its sweet and has the wings of a pit fiend :cool: I want to take a picture of Zith's mini surrounded by the succubi figs and title it "Evil Pimpin." I kept playing "Drew's Miniatures Theatre" yesterday(me playing with my figs while working out dialogue between the two characters)- Angus and Zith monologued for like two hours. It was awesome- Zith's fig is nearly twice the height of Angus.' :P Nothing makes me giggle like a grown man talking to himself. :P Anyways, I finished Salazzar and Rat Lord. Surprisingly, Ojike's rat Hivemind ability proved so complicated that I had to make a spreadsheat for it. Yes, my nerdhood is complete, as I have now used Excel for character creation. Rat Lord is so cool. He gets to be a 17th level Sorceror just for having hp. On top of that, every 50 hp I have gives me an extra Feat and skill point. Also, the Hivemind is now more intelligent and good looking than Ojike, as it has over 50 in INT and CHA. :mymy: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-26-07, 11:41 PM | o.o now i know why my hair felt like it was on fire....just a joke dwarf, just a joke...not even im that sick. and im so proud of cain...and the brings my next point! apearence scores, they exist, mitzigo has one, cain does not, cain does not want to be multched and turned into little dragon giblits because he happens to talk better...i am also saddened, though im not done quite yet, cain is one level away from having his first rank in epic dragon, and therefore also saddened that i will be unable to use the buterball turkey fig for the grand deital battle...*sadness.* i will be able to use the black dragon fig, him and his amazing black dragon fu! on the upside i got my charisma and strength to be exactly the same....for now...both at 100 *evel cackle.* >:3 |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-26-07, 11:44 PM | Nothing makes me giggle like a grown man talking to himself. :P Anyways, I finished Salazzar and Rat Lord. Surprisingly, Ojike's rat Hivemind ability proved so complicated that I had to make a spreadsheat for it. Yes, my nerdhood is complete, as I have now used Excel for character creation. Rat Lord is so cool. He gets to be a 17th level Sorceror just for having hp. On top of that, every 50 hp I have gives me an extra Feat and skill point. Also, the Hivemind is now more intelligent and good looking than Ojike, as it has over 50 in INT and CHA. :mymy:This next fight will be nuts, I'm getting a headache from updating 60-75th level god characters-I've been doing it all week :rolleyes: I'm feeling better now that I know Angus and Mitsuko are where they should be- Mitsuko has the Regalia of Good. I'm not touching Junior's character sheet- the Kobold would kill me, after all. Its been rough updating Zith, he's one HD away from being ECL 50- my OCD is screaming. Not to mention updating his primary equipment (weapon, armor, and shield) is proving difficult- the only one who ever helped me do this was Japheph. He was more than happy to help me make Angus better-but when I mentioned Zith, he said he was busy. There has been an uneasy tension between me and "some members" of our group since this deital battle was proposed- and its easy to see who is rooting for what sides. It stinks for me because I'm caught in the middle- both the evil and good pantheons are lead by my characters. Lets not make any mistakes, I want Angus to win- I just don't want him to win easily. Such an awesome epic character deserves a truly epic battle with our paragon of evil (hehehe...that's me too :D ). I don't want Angus to easily "punt" his way to victory, I want him to sweat a little. I'm going to further blast my opinion and say that I don't want any of my characters to die- though it seems more and more unavoidable. I want Zith to be the thing that makes Angus look back on his tougher battles and shudder. Its hard to do when Zith's gear is 30 levels dwarfed by the scion of goodness. Whurrak, I was hoping you could help me tomorrow at game- I haven't quite gotten to that section of my updating, but I wanted to deal with it before it reared its ugly head (and devoured Tokyo). :P I have some ideas, I just want to make sure I'm not getting too greedy. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-27-07, 12:10 AM | o.o now i know why my hair felt like it was on fire....just a joke dwarf, just a joke...not even im that sick. and im so proud of cain...and the brings my next point! apearence scores, they exist, mitzigo has one, cain does not, cain does not want to be multched and turned into little dragon giblits because he happens to talk better...i am also saddened, though im not done quite yet, cain is one level away from having his first rank in epic dragon, and therefore also saddened that i will be unable to use the buterball turkey fig for the grand deital battle...*sadness.* i will be able to use the black dragon fig, him and his amazing black dragon fu! on the upside i got my charisma and strength to be exactly the same....for now...both at 100 *evel cackle.* >:3You do know that she has divine skill focus diplomacy, don't you? She's a talker too, in fact she's just as good at the talking thing as she is the Iaijutsu Focus thing. Nowhere to run, Cain- I heard Mitsuko say it herself. When Mitomi dies, Mitsuko is skinning her some dragon. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-27-07, 12:11 AM | see i want evil to win...but everyone probaly knows that by now. i also have a deity in on the fight tommorow on the side of good, however i know that should angus win he will be fine, if not then his children and his wife ((new and pretty much unheard of as she is.)) will take over and do there best to survive...while im terrebly saddened at his premature death, i dont see him beating cain, if cain beat JR. it would be a lot like the final charge in "The Last Samurai." he would die horribly..and no one would give a flying booger. but i dont see cain supporting evil too much unless its to take out a caster by the name of Jeph. and only cause Jeph would instantly jump to the aid of angus should he dispose of salazar. which reminds me, you got the feat that allows you to spend two turning attempts to counterspell, right sal? cause i dont see a whole lot of undead in this fight, so it would make sense to be able to use everything at your disposale. and stopping that gaze of god thing or whatever, or one of jephs other big spells with useless turn attmpts... thats a winning strategy right there, hes got only so many big spells, you have a few turn attempts, a good amount with that charisma which you could use to just pone over the biggest primary spell caster ever...he cant stop you ((in my mind.)) if you take away Jephs super spells away from him...have you ever heard him rant about those spells...its his lifeline. |
| RealSorceror07-27-07, 10:14 AM | see i want evil to win...but everyone probaly knows that by now. i also have a deity in on the fight tommorow on the side of good, however i know that should angus win he will be fine, if not then his children and his wife ((new and pretty much unheard of as she is.)) will take over and do there best to survive...while im terrebly saddened at his premature death, i dont see him beating cain, if cain beat JR. it would be a lot like the final charge in "The Last Samurai." he would die horribly..and no one would give a flying booger. but i dont see cain supporting evil too much unless its to take out a caster by the name of Jeph. and only cause Jeph would instantly jump to the aid of angus should he dispose of salazar. which reminds me, you got the feat that allows you to spend two turning attempts to counterspell, right sal? cause i dont see a whole lot of undead in this fight, so it would make sense to be able to use everything at your disposale. and stopping that gaze of god thing or whatever, or one of jephs other big spells with useless turn attmpts... thats a winning strategy right there, hes got only so many big spells, you have a few turn attempts, a good amount with that charisma which you could use to just pone over the biggest primary spell caster ever...he cant stop you ((in my mind.)) if you take away Jephs super spells away from him...have you ever heard him rant about those spells...its his lifeline. I'll let you in on a few of Sal's secrets. 1). Can Japheph make a 98 Fort save agianst Annihilating Strike? 2). Does an attack roll of 170+ beat his touch AC? 3). Does Japheph have Supreme Init and a better Initiative than me? 4). Can Japheph actually fight in an anti-magic field? 5). Can Japheph out-grapple a large-sized, four-armed monster? Now, assuming our god of good-magic can survive the first round against me, then it will fall to our spellcasting ability. And I have Instant Counterspell, and over 150 more spells per day than him. I also know every spell ever created from all four of my classes (thank you Supreme Eldritch Knowledge), and, as a god of magic, I can instantly learn any unique, non-epic spell that Japheph can cast. And I garun-dam-tee that I have more epic-spells than him. On top of that, I can use my Bardic Music to counter any spell he casts with verbal components. And I have over 20 uses of Rebuke Undead. The only advantage Japheph has is his ability to rules-lawyer and meta-game. Now, just so we can plan this ahead of time, who wants me to help them if I take JP down in a round or two? (I predict our fight will be the fastest, no matter whos wins) |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2007-27-07, 01:00 PM | I'll let you in on a few of Sal's secrets. 1). Can Japheph make a 98 Fort save agianst Annihilating Strike? 2). Does an attack roll of 170+ beat his touch AC? 3). Does Japheph have Supreme Init and a better Initiative than me? 4). Can Japheph actually fight in an anti-magic field? 5). Can Japheph out-grapple a large-sized, four-armed monster?1. He's the same Divine Rank as you, so he doesn't need to. 2. I don't think so. 3.I'm not sure. :P 4.I could say something, but then Japheph would kill me. 5. Again, lets keep it so that Japheph is the only one with Metagame powers :) Whurrak, will you help me with Zith's equipment later? |
| RealSorceror07-27-07, 01:53 PM | 1. He's the same Divine Rank as you, so he doesn't need to. 2. I don't think so. 3.I'm not sure. :P 4.I could say something, but then Japheph would kill me. 5. Again, lets keep it so that Japheph is the only one with Metagame powers :) Whurrak, will you help me with Zith's equipment later? Those where all retorical questions, you ass. XD I didn't actually want answers, I was just bragging. And yes, I'll help you with your equipment. I've got Craft Artifact, so let me know if you need any of those (I'm sure you'll want invincible armor). |
| TurnCloak_Kobold07-29-07, 05:29 PM | bleh, im looking foreward to this less and less...what with the bad mood it puts many people in and with a certain wife figure glaring at me and threataning my dragon with those scarry swords of hers...i just want to be a good dragon and kill off low level treasure delving PCs for the rest of eternity... <-.-> |
| Kinghappo08-03-07, 04:42 AM | i'm not sure if it has been mentioned yet (i was breezing through all the posts on this subject) but i did notice that no one mentioned the SDF-1 when there was a request for the concept of a robot with a city in it. the SDF-1 is from an anime called Robotech. The story behind it was that an alien ship had landed on earth, human's rebuilt it to get it to working order and in the process built a city around the ship. when they tried to launch the ship they were attacked by aliens and to avoid casualties they tried to warp away from the city. well the warp bubbled out and teleported the city, the two navy battleships and alot of the landscape out into space. they were able to save most of the people of the city and bring most of the city buildings and structures into the main body of the ship as well as fused the navy ships to the exterior hull. the entire space ship is able to transform into between robot and ship form. this seems exactly like what you are looking for image wise and will help you understand how people inside interact and are able to live being inside a mech. some useful links for any external pictures you can google SDF-1, Robotech, or Macross Saga but the inside views and stuff you should look through you tube. this is a concept design of the city inside the SDF-1 http://www.xs4all.nl/~ptn/new.images/SDF1City/macross.html i really hoped this help you get sone imagery into your head about the mech the size of a city lol. good luck |
| RealSorceror08-03-07, 11:09 AM | Thanks for the link, King. The way the Whurrak is usually described is that he is shaped something like an Elite or an Ogre, with the head and long neck in front of the body rather than on top. Its chest and hunched back create an enormous barrel shaped area on the inside. The majority of the city consists of many, many rings that run along the inside of this cavity. There are also free floating structures that can dock along the inside. Most of the smaller mecha and militairy are housed in the enormous feet and lower legs, and there is almost nothing in the forearms (besides the gears, wires, and weaponry). Since a lot of the machine population can fly or climb, only the human and dwarven citizens need normal transportation from layer to layer, although they usually just use teleporters or elevators. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-07-07, 02:17 AM | i cant wait to make Koblar. way random here, but ive been stuck on my mad-God kobold. |
| RealSorceror08-07-07, 09:57 AM | i cant wait to make Koblar. way random here, but ive been stuck on my mad-God kobold. Clearly. You posted at 2:00am :rolleyes: By the way, I finished the six guildmasters yesterday. They still need names, though, and so does the guild. Is the dwarf around? Hes pretty good at this stuff. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-08-07, 04:34 PM | the dwarf is off in gagga land with mitzigo. lol. and yeah, i suppose 2:00 is a bit early for D&D....not. and i would help with the names, but i wouldent be ale to decide and then i would just fret over it for hours before deciding the lasts guys name would be something along the lines of bo...since bob isent acceptable, accept we alrady have a deity named Bo...Tran Ky Bo to be specific, so thats out of the question...this train of thoughts would continue for an hour or two before i gave up, ending where i started with absolutly nothing. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2008-14-07, 05:18 PM | the dwarf is off in gagga land with mitzigo. lol. and yeah, i suppose 2:00 is a bit early for D&D....not. and i would help with the names, but i wouldent be ale to decide and then i would just fret over it for hours before deciding the lasts guys name would be something along the lines of bo...since bob isent acceptable, accept we alrady have a deity named Bo...Tran Ky Bo to be specific, so thats out of the question...this train of thoughts would continue for an hour or two before i gave up, ending where i started with absolutly nothing.Yup :D I had fun Saturday- I got to make my coocoo puffs crack about Rokugani money:P I'll help with names, just give me the general overview of the organization and the character concepts for its key members. Just PM me. I beat the Nightmare Lord- I blasted him in his nightmare weaving, far realm loving, dwarf slandering, slimy, spined, tentacled, aberration baby maker. :cool: It was alot of fun though, I love playing Angus in combat sequences. Its nice to know the dwarf still has it, and that 1000 or so years with his lovely wife hasn't made him soft. He took out the former god of Iaijutsu Masters with as much prejudice as the Nightmare Lord. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-14-07, 06:37 PM | x.x i am still disapointed that you got to fight him at all, i still believe you should have tested him against some other deity...despite the fact that it wouldent have been as effective. i believe the suprise of anything he might be able to do to angus is now lost. and if you want to correct me on this changeling, PM me. no offense angus, but if hes gona be a challenge anymore to you, you cant be in the loop. ok, happier subject for me, the roukugon game...sorta. had a tougher time of it than i thought, i get the concept now though, so its all good, but i need to make some major charictor changes. for one i need to get rid of that heavy hammer thing, it takesa ten off my AC...x.x, and second i think i need to redo my stats a bit, maybe even redo the charector all together, maybe a wasp clan bowman, as it is we dont have any ranged specialist, i would get to play a minor clan, possibly even fox clan hostage, which would let me intergrate the bowmanship of the wasp and the benefits of the Fox. plus crab isent doing it for me, im a big oaf who gets to stand guard. i found out im bad at combat, losing horribly against a ninja at that who was facing me in open combat. i have a very good stamina score, and if i had been smart to put some things in wisdom, or whatever it is the other earth base is i would have had an awesome health, but i didnt, i focused on getting armor class, which i ended up losing cause of my weapon, and strength, which was still a good bet, i got to keep all the dice i rolled, and on hitting people, i didnt do the one trick poney thing, and i think i payed for it big time, i might have an awesome stamina, but it dosent do diddly for anything against nothin, except poisen and fatigue.... at this rate hes only good for guard duty...nothing else. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2008-16-07, 01:44 PM | x.x i am still disapointed that you got to fight him at all, i still believe you should have tested him against some other deity...despite the fact that it wouldent have been as effective. i believe the suprise of anything he might be able to do to angus is now lost. and if you want to correct me on this changeling, PM me. no offense angus, but if hes gona be a challenge anymore to you, you cant be in the loop. That's the same way I feel about the fight between the two pantheons, but nobody listens to me :weep: A certain castery type person is getting worse and worse on that subject- its quite iritating. I hate the fact that the people making their characters have no idea who or what they are fighting, yet craft their characters with the intent of defeating specific aspects of their hypothetical opponents. I'm starting to think we should run the deity battle wheel of misfortune style- nobody knows who they get in advance :P In other news, the "siren," as I've heard her called, has helped to get my printer up and running- so now I can make Zith's sheets digital. Its always a pain to make the transition from paper to computer with my characters, but its only a pain once. I'm so tempted to give him a digital inventory sheet, just so I never need to see his metric **** ton of items ever again :) |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi08-20-07, 05:20 PM | Hey! I haven't checked out how you all have been doing lately. If you're running out of challenges - or if your DM needs inspiration - I stumbled across an interesting idea while trying to integrate psionics into Dragonmech. Introducing: Why the moon falls (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=13485748#post13485748). Post #4. |
| RealSorceror08-20-07, 05:32 PM | That's the same way I feel about the fight between the two pantheons, but nobody listens to me :weep: A certain castery type person is getting worse and worse on that subject- its quite iritating. I hate the fact that the people making their characters have no idea who or what they are fighting, yet craft their characters with the intent of defeating specific aspects of their hypothetical opponents. I'm starting to think we should run the deity battle wheel of misfortune style- nobody knows who they get in advance :P Ryan is still bugging you about Salazzar? Wow. I still don't understand why you and Ryan are so freaked out about losing. We are all gods with hundreds of powerful allies who owe us all favors. Death is only a temporary inconvenience. I don't give a Rat Lord's ass if Sal dies (however, I would be very upset if he died in a stupid or frustrating way). He'll just be back next episode, only now he has angst and a new motivation. Also, I'd be fine if you wanted to roll the fights randomly. However, Sal would likely stand down if he is forced to fight Angus. Even though he feels betrayed and jealous of Angus, he is still thankful that you saved his home world and killed Ilsinsine. In fact, I actually plan to help Angus escape if his fight with Zith goes sour (Zith, however, is on his own. No offense, of course). I honestly don't know how I would fight Junior or Mitsuko. If they manage to lay a finger on me, it will certianly be an instant KO. I'd also be a bit miffed if I had to fight a weaker deity, just becuase I don't want to make anyone look bad. *cough* Toobert *cough* |
| RealSorceror08-20-07, 06:04 PM | x.x i am still disapointed that you got to fight him at all, i still believe you should have tested him against some other deity...despite the fact that it wouldent have been as effective. i believe the suprise of anything he might be able to do to angus is now lost. and if you want to correct me on this changeling, PM me. no offense angus, but if hes gona be a challenge anymore to you, you cant be in the loop. Oh, thats enough crocodile tears from you, Mr. Kobold. :P I really needed to test play that deity, and Drew really needed to fight somethin'. You still haven't seen this thing fight on it's own turf. I can almost put down the sheet and fight Angus with just my *imagination* (makes a little rainbow). |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-22-07, 10:37 AM | understood kemosabe. now what is this about me being weak? out of three of my deities none of them are particularly weak. there not of coarse the strongest, but i would like to think that even Bo, my "weakest" deity gave one of ryans scariest beasts a run for his money, and if i can make hector run from me...aka try to get away and divine blast me, then i think that he deserves a little respect. the truenamer is a roleplay deity first, though i think that even he might do well in a fight. and of coarse saying cain is weak is like comparing JR with a kitten, granted there are some likenesses in that comparisson, but not enough to make it justifiable. so i have to ask, which of the deties are you harping on there you odd genderless wizard wannabe rogue wannabe fighter? or as our resadent siren likes to call you. "changeling of the perverted happy dimples" |
| RealSorceror08-22-07, 06:07 PM | understood kemosabe. now what is this about me being weak? out of three of my deities none of them are particularly weak. there not of coarse the strongest, but i would like to think that even Bo, my "weakest" deity gave one of ryans scariest beasts a run for his money, and if i can make hector run from me...aka try to get away and divine blast me, then i think that he deserves a little respect. the truenamer is a roleplay deity first, though i think that even he might do well in a fight. and of coarse saying cain is weak is like comparing JR with a kitten, granted there are some likenesses in that comparisson, but not enough to make it justifiable. so i have to ask, which of the deties are you harping on there you odd genderless wizard wannabe rogue wannabe fighter? Salazzar can rip Bo and the truenamer to little bits. I'm not bragging, I'm just stating the facts. Cain is another matter entirely, but why would I be fighting Cain? Granted, I can fight Cain, but you would likely win through shear damage. ur resadent siren likes to call you. "changeling of the perverted happy dimples" If it weren't for the fact that Drew/Angus can kick both my real and imaginary ass (probably at the same time), I would so put an end to that horrid moniker... |
| LadyMitsuko08-24-07, 03:51 PM | Who has been calling me a siren? *has three white streaks* I will have you know that I am an Astral Deva! *nods* There is a bit of a difference. I am not a summon from Final Fantasy VIII. Just want to make things straight, see you later, Dear. *giggles and winks* |
| Infernostrider08-24-07, 06:30 PM | EDIT: 2) Teleportation. It says I can only bring a small number of objects and people with me when I use my divine teleport ability. Unfortunetly, I have thousands of people and their stuff inside of me. Using the normal rules, these people will end up a 1,000 feet off the ground if I teleport away, and they will probably die from the fall damage. That sucks. Can people and objects inside of me count as part of me for the purposes of teleportation? Is there any easy way I can bring that many people with me (I'm a lvl 60 god, so cost isn't much of an issue)? question 2 is easily answered. See your deity as a human, or more so, see his body as an organism. When a person teleports, wether he cant ake any1 with him or not, he takes with him EVERYTHING inside of him, including his lunch, and more importantly: the bacteria inside of his body and on top of his skin. See the people of your god-city as his bacteria |
| Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi08-24-07, 09:57 PM | question 2 is easily answered. See your deity as a human, or more so, see his body as an organism. When a person teleports, wether he cant ake any1 with him or not, he takes with him EVERYTHING inside of him, including his lunch, and more importantly: the bacteria inside of his body and on top of his skin. See the people of your god-city as his bacteria It's been covered a long time ago. I said the same thing probably a month or two ago, and I was too late. The problem's solved. Thanks for your help. |
| RealSorceror08-27-07, 08:31 PM | Who has been calling me a siren? *has three white streaks* I will have you know that I am an Astral Deva! *nods* There is a bit of a difference. I am not a summon from Final Fantasy VIII. Just want to make things straight, see you later, Dear. *giggles and winks* Welcome to the internet, Angus's Special Lady Freind. :D |
| Bloodsoul08-29-07, 07:49 AM | Wow.. I want to see your god fight Metroplex, Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok all at once... Unicron could be the final boss! ^_^ |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-29-07, 02:02 PM | XD thank you blood, i was wondering when those comments would surface. and you there, saladbar! just because you think you can do something, dosent mean you actually can. remember i sent hector running. you remember hector right? big scarry dude, 50 odd heads or so. bout a hundred arms, all wielding speed weapons. remember how he was a dervish tempist thing and could bring most of those against a single mediume target in one round? yeah, Bo forced him to run and use divine blasts against me, and he had to metagame to prevent me from using his own divine blasts against him via monk deity styles. no offense but there is little in your "limited" repetoire that scares me. time stop is uber gay, but seeing as how most of your spells require a reflex save, and im a reflex monk with fourty odd levels of variant rogue i am unconcerned. to the count of will saves, im immune to most thanks to deity status. and to the final count of fort saves, well its not too bad thanks to those monk levels and there perfection in the saves area. not to mention my terasque martial artist uniform and its 75% spell reflection. should that fail i have divine monk salene abilitie wich allows for the reflection of all things ranged including but not limited to every arrow, spell, eldrich blast and single divine blasts against me. so, on to melee then eh? lets see you melee a monk who specializes in hit and run tactics and "skill tricks" that specialize in deflecting and then recieving ((attacks of oppurtunity, disarm attempts, sunder attempts, or blocking.)) tell me salad bar, can you beat a 200 something with your attack to hit? cause thats somewhere around what you need to beat my deflecting skill. then can you beat 2000 something feet of movement with only simple movements? by the by, thats not mentioning my monk step, my free movement action on top of that or any other movement type. so salad bar, im interested to know, how are you going to stop this divine rank 6 char. who seems to be able to win without much forethought? and just so its clear. you probably could beat the truenamer, but...hes a bit more interesting than you seem to think, i have found that he has a lot of abilities that make him a very good spellcaster. in fact, thanks to that item familure feat, its almost absurdly easy to continue to cast uterences, many of which work nicely against other spell casters. :3 so in the words of angoose.."bite my shiny dwarvin chainshirt!" lol, but seriously, salazar is pimp, it just happens that Bo is well built for everything involving combat, i didnt even have to go into his 103/- DR. booyakaa, beat that saladbar, you and your "i can cast every spell in the game." :P |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-29-07, 02:03 PM | now thats a bloody rant. ^_^ |
| RealSorceror08-29-07, 08:11 PM | now thats a bloody rant. ^_^ Jebus, Kobold. When I said "Sal can kill Bo", I am in no way implying that Bo is not all that and a bag of chips. Bo is an amazing act of nerdyness and and an exceptional piece of powergaming. Hes practically a work of imaginary art. When I say that "Sal can kill Bo", thats all I am saying. There is no hidden meaning there. I didn't say Bo is a wussy, or that it would be really easy to kill him. In fact, I fully expect that I will have to "pause" our fight several times mid battle (ala Temporal Exceleration) in order to consider my strategy, and to heal myself. Thats important too, I can easily and quickly heal, and I can do it all day long. There are other important factors, but thats one of particular note. I also fully expect to take large amounts of damage, and that you will be immune to a great number of spells, and that I will need to work out a strategy to counter-act your great speed. Remember that I am also a Greater god, and my divine blast and sense have greater range than yours, although I will certianly aviod "pulling an Angus" unless you prove particulary difficult to harm. |
| RealSorceror08-29-07, 08:16 PM | Wow.. I want to see your god fight Metroplex, Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok all at once... Unicron could be the final boss! ^_^ Bring 'em all on. Whurrac is immune to all physical and magical harm. And if they are too, then bring 'em on anyway. We'll have a "Who is more Invincible" slug fest. It'll take place inside of an even bigger giant invincible robot. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-30-07, 07:50 PM | :rolleyes: you and your giant robots. no hostility meant though saladbar, im just saying that at the very least Bo will give you some food for thougt, and if not, hell just have to give you collision damage to the face via legacy gauntlets. in either case i think i could at least where you down, you and you emense spells per day list and force a retreat. Bo might not be able to heal well, but he can take some good hits. oh, and unless your using mass divine blast i wouldent try to much with the blasting. oh and your range is highly limited when using mass divine blast, in which case youll have an angry bunny in your face before you can say "holy rabbit flakes!" so take that greater god, in you somewhat more powerfulle eye. so angus, if i kick saladbars butt can i get more divine rank? *nudge nudge.* just asking....:D |
| RealSorceror08-30-07, 09:21 PM | :rolleyes: you and your giant robots. no hostility meant though saladbar, im just saying that at the very least Bo will give you some food for thougt, and if not, hell just have to give you collision damage to the face via legacy gauntlets. in either case i think i could at least where you down, you and you emense spells per day list and force a retreat. Bo might not be able to heal well, but he can take some good hits. oh, and unless your using mass divine blast i wouldent try to much with the blasting. oh and your range is highly limited when using mass divine blast, in which case youll have an angry bunny in your face before you can say "holy rabbit flakes!" so take that greater god, in you somewhat more powerfulle eye. so angus, if i kick saladbars butt can i get more divine rank? *nudge nudge.* just asking....:D You do realize I have eight or more kinds of teleport spells that I can use as a free action multiple times in one round, right? So long as you are within 20 miles, I can easily get to you every round as a free action. You can't actually run away. You could teleport away, but then you won't know where I am. Meanwhile I can cast divination spells as free actions to find out where you are, and then teleport to you as a free action, and then shoot you wit mi powerz. Granted, I fully expect to be full attacked by you several times before I come up with something good, but since you can't kill me outright, I'm not really worried. Anyways, why don't we stop arguing about who has a bigger wang, and get back to the really important stuff. Like how bad I could your ass, for example. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold08-31-07, 12:38 PM | lol, whether or not you can see me has very little effect. so i hold my actions til i can see you, IE your well within range of my divine sight to use your mass divine blast, IE i should be able to reach you with a charge or a spring attack. if your using regular divine blasts to snipe at me, well it wont work due to my deflect ability, though i would have to argue that i could still have a chance to hit you back, despite you being out of sight. your not going against a lozer like kord or zues, your up against a PC deity. im sure theres something you can do that will make me think, but im telling you that if this battle takes place it will only end after a long set of hits. :D by the by, three nat 20s, not sure if that will even work against him, thank you redirect you still have to beat my skill check. ^_^ k, now i should be done, i think ive proved my point, and fighting about it wont help, so well have to actually do this whenever your free and im back from vacation. sdaladbars going down due to bunny related bruises. |
| RealSorceror09-02-07, 10:27 AM | lol, whether or not you can see me has very little effect. so i hold my actions til i can see you, IE your well within range of my divine sight to use your mass divine blast, IE i should be able to reach you with a charge or a spring attack. if your using regular divine blasts to snipe at me, well it wont work due to my deflect ability, though i would have to argue that i could still have a chance to hit you back, despite you being out of sight. your not going against a lozer like kord or zues, your up against a PC deity. im sure theres something you can do that will make me think, but im telling you that if this battle takes place it will only end after a long set of hits. :D by the by, three nat 20s, not sure if that will even work against him, thank you redirect you still have to beat my skill check. ^_^ k, now i should be done, i think ive proved my point, and fighting about it wont help, so well have to actually do this whenever your free and im back from vacation. sdaladbars going down due to bunny related bruises. I already said that I expect to be hit multiple times, and that you will be very difficult to kill. And you shame yourself by even mentioning Zues and Kord in the same paragraph as us. And yes, three nat 20's works, but I have a contingency True Res, so I'd just come back. Also, everyone has a chance to get three nat 20s, so I don't even know why you're bringing that up. I know you love Bo, but he is not invincible. Cain is your real monster. He can almost certianly kill me before I come up with an effective counter. Bo can't. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-03-07, 01:48 PM | I already said that I expect to be hit multiple times, and that you will be very difficult to kill. And you shame yourself by even mentioning Zues and Kord in the same paragraph as us. And yes, three nat 20's works, but I have a contingency True Res, so I'd just come back. Also, everyone has a chance to get three nat 20s, so I don't even know why you're bringing that up. I know you love Bo, but he is not invincible. Cain is your real monster. He can almost certianly kill me before I come up with an effective counter. Bo can't.Schmeh, you guys should just let me grab my divine yard stick and settle this matter once and for all. Cheeze-its, I get off the boards for a few weeks, and you two are trying to kill each other. As God of Wealth, I can only say this- 100 gp on Sal in "Salazzar vs Bo," and 100 gp on Cain in "Cain vs Sal." And BTW, "Bite my shiny Dwarven chain shirt." :cool: |
| RealSorceror09-03-07, 05:24 PM | Schmeh, you guys should just let me grab my divine yard stick and settle this matter once and for all. Cheeze-its, I get off the boards for a few weeks, and you two are trying to kill each other. As God of Wealth, I can only say this- 100 gp on Sal in "Salazzar vs Bo," and 100 gp on Cain in "Cain vs Sal." And BTW, "Bite my shiny Dwarven chain shirt." :cool: He started it. Also, I'm gonna start wrighting v.2.3 of the Nightmare Lord backstory. Some important pieces fell into place while I was thinking about him yesterday. Surprisingly, Zith was an integral (yet ignorant) part of the Lord's sudden flux of power. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-03-07, 11:42 PM | bleh, i started nothink. but i admited that it was childish, but im ashamed that his own sensai put 100gp on his rival. that hurts my soul. ill just need to gain 11 divine ranks or so, so that its a fair and equil competition. but enough with that, seriously, i came up with some good stuff for the cosmics in general, though ill admit my understanding is far less than Sal. on the subject. however it fit really well and we even got a cosmic of glory on in there...much to the boredom of mitzigo, our resedent siren...i mean pretty lady...i mean astral deva...i mean ah the heck with it, shes there. >.> but i still think its funny, coup de grace against pelor....with kord. silly deity, thinking he can outgrapple a dragon. silly old man deity NPC thinking he can stand after being hit by kord who was at the time a gargantuin simple weapon. silly deity NPCs in general. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-03-07, 11:45 PM | I already said that I expect to be hit multiple times, and that you will be very difficult to kill. And you shame yourself by even mentioning Zues and Kord in the same paragraph as us. And yes, three nat 20's works, but I have a contingency True Res, so I'd just come back. Also, everyone has a chance to get three nat 20s, so I don't even know why you're bringing that up. I know you love Bo, but he is not invincible. Cain is your real monster. He can almost certianly kill me before I come up with an effective counter. Bo can't. just as a clarification, i had a lot of time to think about it thanks to my "vacation." ((forced outing with mother.)) i suppose three nat 20s would work, its not really reliant on AC seeing as its just three 20s rolled one ofter another. so my bad. my mistake. sorry i brought it up. i was mistaken. there i said my piece, admited i was wrong. still insulted by the bet though, no confidence, none at all. |
| RealSorceror09-04-07, 06:13 PM | Whoa....so I'm playing through Neverwinter Nights, and I end up in the Nine Hells. For whatever reason, theres a pub in the Town of Lost Souls, so I walk in......and the fricken innkeeper is a Shadow Dragon! Why the Hell is there a Shadow Dragon barkeep in Hell? Why is Cain in my game? Damn you TurnCloak, stay out of my videogames! |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-04-07, 08:32 PM | i am there because im a gamer, and im there because cain rules over the nine hells remember? archduke of batoor and whatnot? so he likes to spend his time at a bar? what good adventurer dosent? |
| Rohano09-04-07, 11:51 PM | I hate FR lol, Cain shouldn't be in charge of Hell :P I prefer Asmodeus being in charge, because he throws out gods who don't pay their dues :P |
| RealSorceror09-05-07, 11:08 AM | I hate FR lol, Cain shouldn't be in charge of Hell :P I prefer Asmodeus being in charge, because he throws out gods who don't pay their dues :P Asmodeus was cool, right up until we killed him. In fact, I don't think any of the arcdukes are still alive. Ah well, Zith, Cain, and Sal are all evil enough to make up for it. Sorry if our campaign world is confusing. We pretty much bent the normal cosmology over our knee and spanked it. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-05-07, 11:40 AM | good way of putting it Sal. but hey, i dont like it either but im only an archduke, not really im controll over everything. besides, i couldent put up with all the whining, after five minutes id just start eating the complainers, i figure after a while people would stop complaining and everyhting would be good. besides, i think as a rank 20 deity, i could and should be fairly good at throwing out a deity or two, problem is, no one ever comes to hell unless they have a good reason in our campaign so it makes sense that they should be let through. but i supose throwing out our god of elves and her little chummy buddies would make my day now and then. |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-06-07, 08:59 PM | x.x tis no fair, cool stuff happened while i was on vacation. and because zith lasted so long i need to find some way to last just as long. which means a certain evil Iiajutsu master needs to live just as long. but i gotta fight junior for seven very long rounds. ;_; plus i gotta fight Bo, who i know will die in the first round or so and i gotta fight some unknown ungart. apparently angus had another son or something, and apparently hes gonna fight cain with junior and Bo. this sucks. x.x i can only hope that i put down junior every round quick enough, ill focus on him i suppose, but with the unknown and Bo i cant tottally ignore everything. im just glad Bo wont get up every round. i dont know about that unknown though, my luck it will be angus making his dragon slayer. if i have to fight Kord in tiny dwarvin form im gonna be beyond miffed, im going strait to buggered. but i will say this now, i will not instigate a fight, if i see even one person charging me i will have to fight back, but i will not start it, less chance of every deity on the field attacking me. though drew has assured me that angus will at least not join in, which is small comfort since i have mitzigo, junior, Bo and a few others to deal with. x.x this wil be perhaps some of the longest seven rounds of cains life. i just hope i dont have to fight epic people too, i really dont want to have to deal with all these people. more chances of getting through my divine shields and divine dodge. but i suppose if i had to be attacked by anyone and be hit by them, i would prefere to be hit by the dedicated rogue Ayame, she at least is not a power gamer build....plus no sneak attack on the dragon with fortification. x.x hopefully Laws char. did not die in vain. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-20-07, 02:33 PM | x.x but i will say this now, i will not instigate a fight, if i see even one person charging me i will have to fight back, but i will not start it, less chance of every deity on the field attacking me. though drew has assured me that angus will at least not join in, which is small comfort since i have mitzigo, junior, Bo and a few others to deal with. x.x this wil be perhaps some of the longest seven rounds of cains life. i just hope i dont have to fight epic people too, i really dont want to have to deal with all these people. more chances of getting through my divine shields and divine dodge. but i suppose if i had to be attacked by anyone and be hit by them, i would prefere to be hit by the dedicated rogue Ayame, she at least is not a power gamer build....plus no sneak attack on the dragon with fortification. x.x I said Angus has no reason to attack you, unlike Junior (who will attack for the simple reason that he thinks you are evil and everyone else is fighting) Angus won't attack Cain until he is given a reason. Unfortunately this does include killing family members, which you may just have to do in the case of Junior. I dare say if anyone even attacks Mitsuko that they'll end up in a bed beside Zith in the "It just fell off, I don't think it was meant to bend that way" wing of the ER. As for power gaming, that arguement went out the window the minute you made cain, a divine rank 20 dragon deity with no level adjustment, fight Junior, my Divine Rank 6 character who would be dwarfed by you by at least 40 levels if Whurrak was using draconic level adjustment. Mitsuko may have equal Divine Rank to you, but once again your lack of level adjustment puts her at an extreme disadvantage. I think Angus is the only one who can actually take you, and I don't think he can hit your AC. He can beat you, but only because I have a good tactic. Angus isn't a power gaming character, he just has an insanely high character level. Cain is the king of power gaming characters, he should feel right at home with the rest of us. I just want these stupid fights to be done with, I'm over this Pantheon Battle. I just want to keep leveling Angus, and hopefully get Zith to the same level as the dwarf before they fight again. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-20-07, 02:54 PM | Oh, thats enough crocodile tears from you, Mr. Kobold. :P I really needed to test play that deity, and Drew really needed to fight somethin'. You still haven't seen this thing fight on it's own turf. I can almost put down the sheet and fight Angus with just my *imagination* (makes a little rainbow). Hehehe... That fight was cool, I can't believe he actually made me use one of my true ressurections for the month. In any event, I miss fighting cool baddies like the Nightmare Lord- I heard Jon is having second thoughts about making his divine rank 20 Hectonchieres (hundred handed one). Whurrak, you really did a good job of making a fun and challenging enemy for Angus, and trust me- I know how difficult that can be. Its a fine line to walk when crafting challenges for such a beloved PC-either he easily destroys whatever he fights, or vice versa. Now, I've got the itch to play him even more- I love my PC so much. Level 100 is so close, I can taste it-but it'll probably be another fifty levels before I'd even think of setting Angus down. I might not even want to if I get my hands on a copy of the Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary- then there will always be something to fight. :) |
| Rohano09-20-07, 10:09 PM | divine rank 20 Hectonchieres There's a headache to build. And play. And fight. And kill? |
| RealSorceror09-20-07, 10:35 PM | Hehehe... That fight was cool, I can't believe he actually made me use one of my true ressurections for the month. In any event, I miss fighting cool baddies like the Nightmare Lord- I heard Jon is having second thoughts about making his divine rank 20 Hectonchieres (hundred handed one). Whurrak, you really did a good job of making a fun and challenging enemy for Angus, and trust me- I know how difficult that can be. Its a fine line to walk when crafting challenges for such a beloved PC-either he easily destroys whatever he fights, or vice versa. Now, I've got the itch to play him even more- I love my PC so much. Level 100 is so close, I can taste it-but it'll probably be another fifty levels before I'd even think of setting Angus down. I might not even want to if I get my hands on a copy of the Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary- then there will always be something to fight. :) It was a pretty sweet fight, and that was one of the baddiest mo-fos I've ever created. Did you know he can steal people's eyes? I actually could have made the fight a little harder, but you all know my motto as a DM, "If making something more difficult doesn't make it more fun, don't do it". But in truth, Angus really is the only character we have that could have won that fight. I know you all thought I was making an anti-Angus Ken beast, but really, I was just making a sick uber baddy, and Angus had the specific tools to do the job (his avatar squad and his reliance on Divine Blast rather than weapons and magic, and of course his Earth Mastery, among other things). And for the record, Nightmare Lord eats Ken Beasts for breakfest. Now then, a bit of backstory: why did the Cosmic of Fear go all nutso? Well, it was all Zith's fault. Mostly. See, the Cosmics are normally in balance. Good and Evil. Life and Death. Etc. Then Zith comes in and conquers the Abyss. Then Hell. Then the Heavens. Millions are killed. Fear and terror run rampant throught the ranks of creatures that normally never feel fear. Balors did not run in terror until Zith descended upon the Lower Planes. The Balance gets the crap nuked out of it. Fear is suddenly far more powerful than the Cosmic of Courage, and sends its presence throughout the Matrial Plane and the Dream World. Now, more on Klien. Klien (which is not his original name) is an ancient fey native to the Dream World whos sole purpose was to protect children from nightmares. For hundreds of thousands of years, he was generally successful. When the Nightmare King suddenly rose in power, it made it appear as if it where actually receding. So much so, in fact, that Klien eventually began to believe that he had finally won, and that his purpose in life had been fulfilled. {insert part where he comes to the Material Plane, blah, blah, blah} |
| RealSorceror09-20-07, 10:38 PM | There's a headache to build. And play. And fight. And kill? To kill? Nope. John wants to pit this thing against two entire pantheons of player made gods. Basically, he has already lost. No individual creature of his level could ever defeat over 12 gods at the same time, especially since several of them are of equal divine rank. |
| Rohano09-21-07, 12:26 AM | So advance its HD like 200, lol. Then all those arms turn into... nuclear silos? Whirling death-bringers? Hextor's mama? |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-21-07, 10:45 AM | So advance its HD like 200, lol. Then all those arms turn into... nuclear silos? Whirling death-bringers? Hextor's mama? Hey, I thought I was the only one who used Bigby's Tactical Nuke. Hecatonchieres aren't too scary, I was killing them by myself (as Angus) at like 60th level- and that was before I used the divine array for his stats. A 200 HD baddy sounds like fun though, whatever race it is. :D And just for the record, Whurrak- I didn't need those eyes to begin with. :cool: |
| TurnCloak_Kobold09-21-07, 11:14 AM | So advance its HD like 200, lol. Then all those arms turn into... nuclear silos? Whirling death-bringers? Hextor's mama? i give this post near-future must be put into a quote status. now then, i extend a congradulations to our resedent dwarf for finnaly making it back to the boards, even if its a short time. likewise i realize that cain is a powergaming build to the max, but i suppose i just happen to see the giant flaws in cains armor more than other people which makes me a very conservative gamer ((the real reason cain is no longer evil mayhaps?)) that and im still in the end practically fighting the good pantheon, in the words of Dag from the angry beavers. "THATS JUST NUTS!"oh and "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-eh." but i agree, maybe jons stupidity ((as an NPC)) will in the end save cain from a horrible agonizing stay in the "it just fell off," and the "i dont think thats supposed to bend that way" ward. luckly i have divine fast healing so if anything falls off i can just put it back on, like a mister potato head or something. by the way, hail the conquiring hero and his 60 miles of diviine sight, i finnaly figured out how i can make that work! ^____^ JOY |
| LadyMitsuko09-21-07, 11:37 AM | Thank you, Whurrak! The internet is a very vast place, one could get lost its so big. XD I heard on that someone wanted to have Ayami fight a dragon. Now, I don't want my favorite Saint to be killed. She has a family to take care of. *gets glittery eyes* Hopefully one of them will be a beautiful crane that I can teach. *blinks and clears throat* Right, sorry. But as a mother to be, I have other plans for her. She needs to learn parental skills. She makes a fine rogue but sometimes, her "playtime" is going to have to wait. So she has been sent to train my youngest, Mitsu. I am sure that after that, she will be a fine mother. Afterall, it takes a lot of patience to train someone. *whispers* And boy does she need that... Now if you excuse me, I have a wedding to plan. *turns around and leaves* Oh...Morgunn! You have to try on this one! It brings out the color in your eyes! |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-21-07, 12:11 PM | now then, i extend a congradulations to our resedent dwarf for finnaly making it back to the boards, even if its a short time. likewise i realize that cain is a powergaming build to the max, but i suppose i just happen to see the giant flaws in cains armor more than other people which makes me a very conservative gamer ((the real reason cain is no longer evil mayhaps?)) that and im still in the end practically fighting the good pantheon, in the words of Dag from the angry beavers. "THATS JUST NUTS!"oh and "WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-eh."There aren't any flaws in Cain's armor, you have your opponent horribly outmatched- not to mention that i've told you one of the ways to kill Junior, and Cain changes so much each time you update him that I couldn't possibly metagame a way of killing him. Junior can't do it, alone or with help- so don't be worried. Right now, I know that the only characters who could actually kill Cain are Angus, Whurrak, and possibly Japheph. Angus has a tactic he's used in the past that would work in this situation- and that's the only reason I think he could beat you. It is nice to be back on the boards, unfortunately its because I have nothing to do at work. I can't wait for game Saturday- I want the pantheon battle over with. :rolleyes: I wouldn't mind leveling Angus more, though- I hope John actually goes through with making his monstrosity. I like fighting baddies with low AC, ok attack mods and damage, and heaping heaps of HP. :D Oh well, I'm off for "play-time" with Mitsuko *adjusts Horned Helmet* :cool: |
| LadyMitsuko09-21-07, 12:32 PM | Dear, its really hard to plan a wedding when you want to have "playtime". *waits for a little bit* Alright, 5 minutes...then I have to see how pink looks on Morgunn. XD |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2009-26-07, 10:46 AM | Yeah, the pantheon battle is finally over- and good won by a landslide (*cough* Divine Earth Mastery *cough*). Angus put down Zith in 7 rounds, taking the githyanki warlord's right leg in round 5 of combat. Mitsuko put down her evil counterpart in less than a round of combat. Japheph put down Salazzar using one of his "Vengful Gaze" spells. Junior, Bo, and Daisuke put down Cain in about three rounds- with Bo getting the final hit. Our mortals did well also. Ayami, Thraster, and Hyata defeated one of Zith's immortal assassins ( a halfling named Weasel-Fang). Arson and Nerwin put down another of the assassin gods, but I heard Arson did all of the work- he critted with an eldritch blast, killing the darkling in one hit. The only one remaining is the lich.:mad: Then, there was the appearance of "Legion"- the 150 HD Hecatonchieres / Fighter / Warhulk / Divine Rank 20 deity. The combined effort of everyone still standing made the huge abomination run for its life in less than five rounds of combat- you haven't lived until you've heard one hundred heads scream for their mama. I'm glad that fight is over- Junior is level 70, Mitsuko is level 80, and Angus is level 95. BTW, all of you peoples who put your divine rank to your initiative, take it off- I looked at Deities & Demigods, you don't get it. I can't wait for level one hundred-can you say weapon supremacy, I know I can. :cool: |
| LadyMitsuko09-26-07, 11:10 AM | Well, thank goodness that the battle is over with. I am very proud of Ayami. She did a wonderful job. I soppose that I should get her now. She is probably missing a certain someone. As for me, well, what can I say. She just wasn't as good as me. *smiles brightly* Now, I think I shall go visit my youngest daughter. I want to see what she can do. |
| RealSorceror09-26-07, 08:50 PM | Japheph put down Salazzar using one of his "Vengful Gaze" spells. That was plained, and I raised myself the next round. Then, there was the appearance of "Legion"- the 150 HD Hecatonchieres / Fighter / Warhulk / Divine Rank 20 deity. The combined effort of everyone still standing made the huge abomination run for its life in less than five rounds of combat- you haven't lived until you've heard one hundred heads scream for their mama. Whussy. :D BTW, all of you peoples who put your divine rank to your initiative, take it off- I looked at Deities & Demigods, you don't get it. Oh......poop... Right now, I know that the only characters who could actually kill Cain are Angus, Whurrak, and possibly Japheph. Hey Kobold, before you start ranting about why Whurrak can't kill Cain, the only reason I would win is because I'm invincible. Also, I don't think I could actually kill you, I think you would just get bored and leave. |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2010-05-07, 10:54 AM | I can't wait to level Angus more- did I mention I still have 5 other deity characters that I need to level after finishing his latest level up. Anyhoosen, I'm not sure what I want to play in Hyata's game- not sure if the sleeping dwarven darth vader knock-off is really doin it for me. I'm thinking of either a more disgusting version of my charging warforged paladin, or an elven fighter/ duskblade ( possibly some paladin too). I also miss playing the game with Zith, I want to level him so he can fight Angus again (hopefully while presenting more of a challenge to the little dwarven destroyer). I know Mitsuko wants to get back to the game with Ayami. I'm not really sure how everyone else feels on that matter, but I'm willing to DM if everyone wants to play. After all, I look forward to DMing a game made up of deital PCs. We should also start our Mech battle game, I really wanted to try that.:) |
| Triyu10-06-07, 03:41 PM | Asmodeus was cool, right up until we killed him. So when are you going to duke it out with Ao? :mad: |
| Dwarven_Fighter_DR2010-10-07, 11:14 AM | So when are you going to duke it out with Ao? :mad:Who? ....Anyway, they can just get on the waiting list of people who want to fight, kill, maim, or simply wipe me from existance. Angus, my dwarven god character, has quite a reputation- and more than a few enemies. I never actually killed Asmodeus, but I could've quite easily- Asmodeus knew this and did what he did best, talked his way out of it. He wasn't exactly ready to "throw down" when I barged into his bed chamber- fully armed and wearing a coat made out of Mammon.:cool: Our god of tyranny, my githyanki warlord, made a deal with Asmodeus, but killed him when he felt he had fulfilled their bargain.:mad: |
| RealSorceror10-10-07, 01:31 PM | So when are you going to duke it out with Ao? :mad: I don't fight anyone who has direct control over my divine ranks. That might cuase me to wake up as a level one mortal. Naked. And besides, Ao is all about balance and neutrality. What reason would I ever have to fight him? Asmodeus had somethin' to lose. He had that comin' for a couplde million years. |
| RealSorceror10-10-07, 01:36 PM | Who? .... Ao is the over-deity who watches over Fearun. Hes your next door neighbor in the multiverse down the street. |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10010-11-07, 03:58 PM | Ao is the over-deity who watches over Fearun. Hes your next door neighbor in the multiverse down the street. So he's like me-only from Faerun, not a Dwarf, and probably less cool. Nope, don't think I'd need to fight him. By the way, this is Dwarven_Fighter_DR20's new screen name. Whurrak you must finish Fu Leng, I'm itchin to fight something.:D |
| galoneever10-11-07, 07:53 PM | i am saddened that i can no longer be the Turncloak_Kobold, that screen name will be forever one of the best i have ever been under. |
| galoneever10-11-07, 08:12 PM | have no fear however good citizens of the coast, cain is back, and hestill represents the traiterouse kobold you know and love. heres looking at you angoose, i dont know whether Sal. is back yet >.> |
| LadyMitsuko10-12-07, 11:57 AM | Its good to know that I still have my name. After all, who could say no to this adorable face? *cute card* ^___^ |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10010-12-07, 12:38 PM | Its good to know that I still have my name. After all, who could say no to this adorable face? *cute card* ^___^ Well, I know i can't. It stinks that we need to ditch our old names, but heck- I wanted to be "Dwarven God" when I first got on here. I don't know what we're playing tonight, but I really want to play- I don't care what it is. I also thought I'd say it again, Fu Leng is goin down- the eternal bad*** is back in business. :cool: |
| LadyMitsuko10-12-07, 12:47 PM | *giggles* Aww, even after 1800 years...it never gets old. *blushes* I hope that you all have fun, I have to go to the dojo and train lil Crane babies tonight. I shall miss you, my Dwarven God...so cute and squeezable! *kisses nose* I will see you after training tonight dear. Try not to get into too much trouble while I am gone, I know you do that so well. Say hello to everyone! |
| galoneever10-12-07, 01:26 PM | uggggg, its even disgusting ver the enterwebs. XD hey i was thinking for jons game that i would create a pretty cool build. check this out, it even has minuimum spell usage so that non spell savy people like me can use it. 1st level: factotem/rgue varient. 2nd level binder/dread necromancer. 3rd->6th dread necromancer/warlock. future levls: warlock, hellfire warlock, continuing dread necromancer. i need to check to see if theres any other cool warlock prestige classes. coarse i could always be cheep and go truenamer/marshal....the save DCs for utterences would be nuts at that level thanks to motivate charisma. |
| galoneever10-12-07, 04:49 PM | Hey Kobold, before you start ranting about why Whurrak can't kill Cain, the only reason I would win is because I'm invincible. Also, I don't think I could actually kill you, I think you would just get bored and leave. me rant on that subject? you must have me mistaken for someone way less cool, like a gnome or something, in which case vengince will be mine. and im happy with the turnout on that batte. cain might not have smeared a dwarf his Iiajutsu brother and a monk, but he made a great big ol dent in there armor. maybe if i had put junior down first, then Bo, then the wimp..i mean Iiajutsu master i would have one out. turns out my cool blinding breath weapon is a fort save, which sucks because a reflex would have been more to my tactic. anywho i still like the battle, Bo knocked cain off with three nat 20s, a cheap trick to say the least, while the ciumulitive damage was only around 600 points, meaning junior hit him about once or twice, and the iajutsu master only hiut once, with a grand total damage of 25 some odd points, laughable to say the least. anyway i was back before "legion" showed up with the only unfortunate lass being my divine shields. Bo then showed his bunny stuff by stealing "legion's" shield and taking with it a huge chunk of the monster AC, a worthy trophy to say the least. "legion" was reduced to a huddling mass of ugly and the rest was all coughing and cain backing away slowly while the "good" guys congradulated themselves. |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10010-15-07, 12:53 PM | anyway i was back before "legion" showed up with the only unfortunate lass being my divine shields. Bo then showed his bunny stuff by stealing "legion's" shield and taking with it a huge chunk of the monster AC, a worthy trophy to say the least. "legion" was reduced to a huddling mass of ugly and the rest was all coughing and cain backing away slowly while the "good" guys congradulated themselves. You know, I was trying to give cain a way out- but proclaiming his survival to the multiverse may not be the best way to avoid astral deva iaijutsu masters. Mitsuko gets on these boards too, you might not want to post certain "details" about the fight.*wink* ;) I really miss playing Zith, I've been in the mood to plague reality lately. That may also be my urge to play Scrag or Dreadnought, I'm not quite sure. If we play the Highpoint campaign setting this Saturday, I hope its after Whurrak and Angus liberate the world from the lunar gods- I want to play a moonsmasher dwarf.:cool: If we play the 40th level mech game, could you help me with my mech, Whurrak?:) |
| galoneever10-16-07, 12:39 AM | i know that she gets on the boards, first off, she should try to keep out of game knowledge from affecting in game play, we might all find the game more fun if we all tried that now and then. and second off, her char. will probably know it anyway, its kinda hard to cover up cain divine blasting someting that big. i mean when the entire good pantheon is sitting right there, someone is going to to her at some point, and i am not taking the vecna blooded template so everyone forgets. anway, this battle is over, now all i have to worry about is my knight surviving against a spellcaster army builder. maybe if i built him the way i wanted to in the first place and give him full knight levels then strait ino devoted defender and dwarvin defender after taking the levels of stoneblessed. take the two levels of paladin just to power game his saves and the rest is all over for his AC, which i think i might keep on his full plate just for the role play purposes. if we play a low level high point game, i might still play a mech jock elf, just so i can get my rod walker, high level game, well i got seven more feats to go, and i think i might have to finnish up putting on his charector levels, but he is pretty much as done as its going to get. im debating giving him the item familure feat, just so he can keep up with the two deities on the feild, granted he has some advantages over angus, but not many, not enough to make a big difference anyway. i persnaly think that angus shouldtone himself down a little, belay some of his abilities, especially his salene abilities that givie him the ability to rip apart my main advantages. with anguses salene abilities in pla it becomes less a game of tactics, and more of a game of whho can brute force there way through faster. and putting spell reflection on a mech is gay, i suppose if thats on there then i will have to see if i can boost my mechs wands of X to epic spells. a faster, sneakier mech is no good against a target that can see you hiding there in the burned out cusp of a building and then use the building with divine earth mastery to crush the mech. worse is when that deity just uses that same ability to try to crush the mech. which reminds me, i need to see if wood is covered under the earth subtype. unless i got upgraded to mithral, in which case im screwed. either case salene abilities should be made unusable in the arenas so as to make it fair to the non deity charectors to compete with deities. even angus and his massive negatives to the pilot check ((which im not even sure he takes any more thanks to the AIs)) will easily plow a charector built from dragonmech levels into the ground. i know for a fact his spot will be good enough to find my mech hiding in a building, and thats if i do take te item fammilure feat. please dont take this as whining, these are merely sugestions to make the game enjoyable for everyone. and i do believe the original point of the game was to challenge angus with non deity charectors, which i dont think will hapen if angus isent taking the negatives that he would, or if he can use his salene abilities. ^___^ |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10010-16-07, 10:13 AM | i know that she gets on the boards, first off, she should try to keep out of game knowledge from affecting in game play, we might all find the game more fun if we all tried that now and then.You two are driving me insane. Seriously, I wonder why I play at all lately. I agree that it sux when people metagame, and I don't care what you say- its something we are all guilty of. Its not "out of game knowledge" for the goddess of beauty to realize something is more beautiful, or well-spoken, than she is- I do agree with Mitsuko in this instance. maybe if i built him the way i wanted to in the first place and give him full knight levels then strait ino devoted defender and dwarvin defender after taking the levels of stoneblessed. take the two levels of paladin just to power game his saves and the rest is all over for his AC, which i think i might keep on his full plate just for the role play purposes. Tai has been at level 40 for some time, I'm sick of people changing their characters so much. Keep Tai as he is for now, I'll let you change him again at another time-for now, lets just reap what we sow. i persnaly think that angus shouldtone himself down a little, belay some of his abilities, especially his salene abilities that givie him the ability to rip apart my main advantages.with anguses salene abilities in pla it becomes less a game of tactics, and more of a game of whho can brute force there way through faster. and putting spell reflection on a mech is gay, i suppose if thats on there then i will have to see if i can boost my mechs wands of X to epic spells. a[B] faster, sneakier mech is no good against a target that can see you hiding there in the burned out cusp of a building and then use the building with divine earth mastery to crush the mech. worse is when that deity just uses that same ability to try to crush the mech. which reminds me, i need to see if wood is covered under the earth subtype. unless i got upgraded to mithral, in which case im screwed.either case salene abilities should be made unusable in the arenas so as to make it fair to the non deity charectors to compete with deities. i know for a fact his spot will be good enough to find my mech hiding in a building, and thats if i do take te item fammilure feat. I think you forget that I'll be a dwarf with bore-punchers. I'm so sick of this, I don't think I even want to bother with a mech game, low-level or epic. I really hate playing lately. |
| galoneever10-16-07, 09:00 PM | X.x sorry angoose, i wasent trying to say nothin about that t'all. i wasent exactly accusing anyone of anything, power gaming, meta gaming or nothin. secondly, all im saying is that a charector with nearly 60 levels on his competition should hold himself back a little, im not saying that anything is wrong with angoose being in the competition. Tai being what he is will be fine, i was just jerking your chain angoose. i didnt mean anything by what i said. just chillaxe and go with the flow angoose, calm the DM nerves down, once this one fight is over we can play the XXX game and mirath can be happy and you can be happy and we can Pwn over enemies with our mighty most of the party are roguesness. finnaly, no one said anything wrong about the mirath, her gaming abilities, or anything of the sort, and if it seemed like it i take back everything i did say. in conclusion angoose this topic should probably be dropped ASAP, its too hard to tell the feelings of people in game over the internet which can lead to problems in game, which is never a good thing. heres lookin at you angoose and hopefully the succesfulle completion of the horrible deity battle that was this most recent chapter in the XXX game. heres also hoping that taigarian manages to put down the lich, all i have to do with him is put him on a new char. sheet, his old one is much to clutered. so once i do that i will be ready to fight me some undead bad guy. heres to his hopefulle success, or at the very least, nerowins success in the upcoming battle. oh and one last thing, have fun at the movie on friday angoose, but not too much fun, the group might get jealouse. |
| galoneever10-16-07, 09:02 PM | oh and angoose, EMO is not your color dude, you should try fiery red, or adamamantine green. thse are much cooler :cool: dueces angoose |
| Real_Sorceror10-17-07, 08:00 AM | *walks into the room, fashionably late, as per usual* Well, I couldn't puzzle out the insanely difficult migration thing. Gleemax was convinced that my old account doesn't exist. So here I am, only now theres a space in my name. However, I assure you all that I am the same RealSorceror, and not some sort of imposter. :shifty: Now, I want both of you mothers to cool it and stop emoing up my thread. I know D&D may be the awesomest game on the planet, but it is just a game. Theres no reason for two good friends to start killing eachother over their imaginary paper-and-pencil alter-egos. So, make nice, or I'll threaten to kick your asses (I'll do it! I'll threaten you so bad you might actually think I'm halfway serious!). Now, as for the DragonMech game, I am not running an arena-style beat-'em up. If you guys wanna do that, it'll be on your own time. I'll assist you, but I'm not running an epic rock-em sock-em game. This will be level 3-5, with new characters. Whurrak is the primary deity among the civilized races, with Angus still being a very new quantity at this point. Also, there will be no lich-fight until Ryan decides to grace us with his presence. And more importantly, the lich fight is mine (Arson's), as it has been from the start. Mr T will need to find his own path to ascension (seriously, there are cooler ways to ascend than killing Ryan). |
| LadyMitsuko10-17-07, 10:53 AM | Can we please refrain from using my real name on here? I really don't like it. I never use my name on the internet. And I don't think that Angus likes it much either. That being said, I wish that everyone would get along but sometimes Love & Peace....is just aint gonna happen. I don't even think that playing Ayami would make me happy. And that really sucks. its just game is no more fun. I don't like power gaming. It hurts my head to much and everyone fights. *sings* Why can't we be friends? *sings* I pretty much have no time to play anymore. So I am gonna leave that alone because like Dimples said "We can't dirty up his board." *nods and smiles brightly* So, I suppose I should leave you men alone to dicusss some of those giant Gundams and their battles. Have fun! *scampers off to play with little Crane babies." |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10010-17-07, 01:26 PM | [QUOTE=galoneever;14095338] X.x in conclusion angoose this topic should probably be dropped ASAP, its too hard to tell the feelings of people in game over the internet which can lead to problems in game, which is never a good thing. heres lookin at you angoose and hopefully the succesfulle completion of the horrible deity battle that was this most recent chapter in the XXX game. heres also hoping that taigarian manages to put down the lich, all i have to do with him is put him on a new char. sheet, his old one is much to clutered. so once i do that i will be ready to fight me some undead bad guy. [QUOTE] Yeah, I agree- I'm just sick of all of the rules badgering and smack talk. I've been pretty stressed lately, so I don't want my favorite hobby to be just another stress point. I just dropped the class that has been really freakin me out, so hopefully I'll have more time to relax. Just mentioning that D&D hasn't been fun for me should be a clue to how tired and stressed I've been- you know me. Normally I'd say something like, "I won't rest until Dungeons & Dragons is our favorite national pass time. Screw baseball." I agree that we should get back to some of our other games, and not even mine- I didn't want the deity battle to be the end of Zith. Not that I mind watching Arson, Taigarian, and Nerwin making a mad dash to kill the lich like a squad of toddlers al hopped up on pixie stix running at ramming speed towards a pinata. I'm also looking forward to the low-level mech game, now that I know I can play a Moonsmasher Dwarf. I still want Whurrak to help me build Angus' mech- He'll be exactly like Big-O except with shredder cannons.:P I would like it if you removed Mitsuko's and my names from your post though, Galoneevar.:) |
| galoneever10-18-07, 03:54 PM | okay okay, names removed, i was sleepeh at the time, my bad. normally i dont screw up like that, but eh, we all make mistakes now and then. i think we should decide whos doing what and what the campaighn should revolve around cause unlike D&D, dragonmech has several classes that only work in certain campaigns. i suppose we could all be mech pilots, i would have no big problem with that, and besides, i could play an elf pilot. >.> Rod Walker HO! and if where only alowed one mech and where doing this in a disabling mech type thing im gonna go ahead and try to be a rogue who will eventualy go into that awesome prestige class with the bloody entry ability. i dont know, either way it will be fun. and Sal. im only smacking down what people point me at, i personnaly wanted Tai to go through the ruby temple to get his divine rank, alwas have said that, but i dont care bout that, what done will be done. Bam! dragonmech game on saturday, make sure to rise nice and early for game angoose, i will be over at your house so i can begen actually making the deities im supposed to be making, Koblar, the truenamer, and im sure i have one or two more deities im supposed to be making. x.x oh well, let the fun times begin, im going to have to try my best to ake the truenamer, though im afraid that i might get a higher charisma than mirath, and of coarse if that happens i would have to hold things against the angalorian fammily, which i really dont want to know, but if i do hapen to have a higher charisma im hoping she remembers who got her out of those shakels on the island >.> cause i really dont want to have to try to threaten to un-name someone in the fammily for my own safety, that would just be unfortunate and whatnot. |
| galoneever10-23-07, 11:32 PM | wow, ok, sorry about the crap game on saturday guys, i suppose knowing hw to run a dragonmech game could come in really usefulle when running one. but angoose, i do need to talk to you about coming over early. i know you want to hang out with mirath, but i dont want to be yelled at by endividualls for not having a char done. though i did work a bit on th basics, i need the books. so i need to talk to you about coming over early. this is a must must must, i will not be a roadblock to game time, so there can be no excuses this weakend. please respond ASAP |
| LadyMitsuko10-25-07, 10:45 AM | x.x oh well, let the fun times begin, im going to have to try my best to ake the truenamer, though im afraid that i might get a higher charisma than mirath, and of coarse if that happens i would have to hold things against the angalorian fammily, which i really dont want to know, but if i do hapen to have a higher charisma im hoping she remembers who got her out of those shakels on the island >.> cause i really dont want to have to try to threaten to un-name someone in the fammily for my own safety, that would just be unfortunate and whatnot. While, I am sure that I would be very grateful to someone who actually got me out of that little situation, I don't like having someone hold that they have a higher charisma over my head and if I recall, it was my loving husband who came in and saved the day. I remember seeing him and while I know that he didn't actually remove the shakels, he probably used some sort of stratagy to get me out of the hell. *throws hands in air* Bah, forget it! *has three white streaks* Angus...should these streaks be thinner or thicker? I just don't know. *winks* I want to look my best. Gotta go find Morgunn a hubby. XD |
| galoneever10-25-07, 11:36 PM | i still think that the pirat should be married to the kobold, XD the greatwyrm would be an excellant father figure, not to mention the child would grow up with an actualle job, piracy is all good. jokes never go over very well here. x.x its not even any fun telling them, everyone just gets angry. |
| Rohano10-26-07, 12:14 AM | Knock knock. Giant mech. What do you mean, "Giant mech who?" Who asks a giant mech who he is before they'll open a stupid door? /attempt |
| galoneever10-26-07, 11:00 PM | XD okay, maybe im just bad at telling jokes is all. ^^ giant mech who, lol. |
| LadyMitsuko10-27-07, 05:32 PM | No, Kobalds for my lil girl! She needs someone pretty, preferably with white hair and can weild a katana. Gotta have crane babies! XD |
| galoneever10-28-07, 01:47 AM | okay, so we find a kobold, give him levels in marshal, tell him to turn on the motivate charisma, paste white hair to his scalp and give him weapon profeciancy katana. walla, crane babies, kobold style. XD D&D players, working miricales with kobolds since the biggining of time! my solutions are made of win and kobolds. kobolds FTW! |
| galoneever10-28-07, 02:54 AM | by the by, i have recently gotten the chance to play a class called the Totemest, very awesome class, though fairly lacking in the real reason you play an incarnum class. you play an incarnum to basically get free magic items or class abilities. thers a great class before it that specializes more on combat while the totemest focuses more or less on doing rogue like things an getting great bonuses to spot listen hide move silently and jump, with some armour class thrown in and extra attacks. theres a few cool specialle abilities you get later on, after furth level that can be pretty fun, like the ice mask, gives you alot of the ice worm abilities, including a breath weapon. but the real reason to play an incarnum, is the awesome incarnum weapon. an incarnum weapon cannot be sundered. an incarnum weapon returns to your hand imediatly during your next action on its own, no AoO an incarnum weapon can be summoned imediatly, glowing with the inner power of the carectors soul. with a single feat my totemist gained the incarnum weapon and devestated almost as many lizard folk as the war forged. in fat next tim i may play a warforged, but probably not a totemist, though illeteracy was a fun RP element. i would much prefere the power that the incarnum version of the palladin offers. that and they get a really cool prestige class later that they can use with cleric or some other divine spell caster that raises both at the same time, as the mystic thurge does. the great thing about an incarnum weapon other than its unbreakableness and its automatic returning quality is the fact that you can invest more incarnum into it in order to give it an attack and damage bonus. at fourth level it is possible to have a +2 magic weapon while the rest of your party worries over buying magic weapons, armor, and other itmes. by melding your soulmelds you get minor powers which give bonuses on certain skills. you can then dump in more power points to improve attacks and damage you get from specialle attacks made via binding the soul meld to your chakra points and your totem. in the end the specialle abilities for the totemest make hima great scout, in fact at slightly higher levels the totemest can be much better at sneaking than some rogues, with drastically less in the way of actually spending skill points on sneaking skills. whats more is the totemests ability at higher levels to be an effective rogue while still being a fighter type, no, to say the totemest is a rogue is wrong, maybe a backup scout, someone to get the rongue out of trouble when it requires steath. the incarnum palladin however seems like a much better fighter, they get the incarnum weapon without the feat, plus they get a cool ability to look like a specific creature from there alighnment, good, evil, law, or chaos i believe. the same as the weapons. also there soul melds make more sense in combat, we where recently fighting lizard folk as mentoned earlier, in a marshy setting where the incarnum palladins walk on water sandals would have been awesome. and again they would have been great when we got to the black dragons lair, where it used a deep pool to keep the party seperated with the constant fear of being dragged in. several times a quick charge across the water would have caught the dragon off gaurd, but sever times my char. had to quick step it around the water, arriving in time to watch it slither back into the murky depths. granted the Totemest has a good set of hit dice, a D8 and the class is con based, making it perfect for races like dwarves and warforged, however its lack of any real incarnum based attacks till later in the class make it a poor bgginign warrior, unless you burn the feat to get the incanrum weapon. i would much rather play the incarnum palladin, which i assume does almost the same thing as the Totemest, but in a much more combat focused way. lastly, if you want to make your char. just look way cooler than he ever should, having a weapon that has a vissable aroura of spiritualle power with armour that has desighns made of pure incarnum as well just makes him look freaking sweet. then add a ghostly set of second arms, a clear crystal helm that prevents all forms of mind effecting, and well, an ahllo,or even better a gorgon mask that actually emits gas that works the smae way as a real gorgons flesh to stone gas and your charector looks like pure awesome. next epic game we run im going either incarnum palladin or totemist. oh and did i mention tha the maximum incarnum you can put into a soul meld, like your weapon is equil to half your class level. that means at 20th level you can have a +10 weapon, granted you wont have much else, but wit a mithral cerimonial suit of armour you wont need muh else, seeing as you dont need all that money for improving your weapon. the only down side, your incarnum weapon has no oher upgrades, it counts as your alighnment, and cuts through dmage reduction of the opisite alighnment, add that on to the incarnum avatar or whatever its called and suddenly your weapon, for example you are a L. Good incarnum palladin, now counts as a L. Good warhammer. you see, because your L. Good your weapon is either a longsword ((lawful)) or a warhammer ((good)) so say you take the warhamer, cause blugening damage is cooler, when you soul meld the avatar you soul meld the lawfulle aspect, making you an astral deva, or male version of such. meld the soul meld to your soul and actually become the creature, giving your weapon the lawfulle subtype as well as the good subtype. you likewise have wings with i believe average maneverability and a farly decent fly speed. whats great about incarnum items is that they go over your other items, unfortunatly because there chakra binds the magic items on those places become useless, though i believe you can get a feat to basically allow both at the same time. so the next time you want a great fighter with low gear cost i would sugges the incarnum palladin, or even the totemest if you focus on the armour soul melds with the incarnum weapon feat. i promise you shouldent be disapointed, the incarnum palladin even gets a smite attack if i remember correctly. |
| galoneever10-28-07, 02:54 AM | super 3:00 in the morning rant on incarnum, woo |
| Moosh Nailo10-29-07, 02:48 PM | You may want to check a few of your incarnum facts, Galoneever. On page 19, table 2-1 shows the limit on how much essentia (soul points) you can put into any ability. Unfortunately it's a fair bit more limited than half your level. Ok, so the real reason I'm here: You guys seem quite knowledgeable in regards to DragonMech. I'm hoping to get some help in regards to creating a mech for a party of currently low level characters (4 lev 3s, atm). Money isn't an issue, as I'm planning on having them salvage it from a battlesite, mostly intact. This will be my first time using dragonmech. I believe I can put it together myself statistically easily enough, using the stuff in chapter 2. The trouble is, I'm not sure what it should be. Steam powered for sure, and with enough room to fit all 4 characters (that means huge+ size, right?), but needing a crew no larger. Other than that, I dunnoe! Armament, movement capabilities? Special options? What would you guys suggest for a beginning group? Oh, and sorry for interrupting your conversation :P |
| galoneever10-29-07, 10:56 PM | XD okay, so i dont know the class very well yet, thanks for the tips, really wish i had the books so that i would never make these mistakes. second, there really isent much of a conversation on this board anymore, but ill do as best i can to help. i know that theres mechs that have a crew of three but with extra firing ports in the gargatuin catagory. this means you could have three people operating the mech, and one guy doing mech bording or firing small arms as it where at the other mechs. coglayers who want to go into the wrenchthrower class are great for that fourth member, plus they can upgrade the mech, thereby contributing to the mech alot more than even the pilot sometimes. like i said, i dont own any of the books, so my help is really limited. but a coglayer can be very usefulle in mech combat, almst like a mech cleric. but i usually dabble in the lighter mechs like the rodwalker, a one man machine thats easily upgradable by itself. no extra people required. sorry i couldent help more. but a flame nozzel on your mech would be really handy, maybe with a steam gun as well. plus the coglayer gets a steam power that can produce water for said steam gun. maintenance would be cheaper later. but really the mech type you want is all dependant on there class choices. either way you want to fit some fast legs onto the mech, unless it has them already. |
| LadyMitsuko10-29-07, 11:33 PM | coglayers who want to go into the wrenchthrower class are great for that fourth member, plus they can upgrade the mech, thereby contributing to the mech alot more than even the pilot sometimes. Ooh, a wrenchthrower class....Like a mech that is like Winry! Oh my goodness! I didn't know that. Hehe, maybe I can play one if I can throw wrenches at things. XD |
| Moosh Nailo10-30-07, 04:52 PM | As of now, the team consists of: -Warforged Mech Jockey 3/Steamborg 1, will eventually go into Assimilated. -A half-elf Crusader 2/Ardent 1, melee tank focused on electricity -Halfling Stalker 3, going into anklebiter -Dwarf Coglayer 2/Steamborg 1, steamgun sniper (this guy may be changed) Optimally, the crew requirement would be as small as possible, freeing up the other three characters to do whatever. If possible, just the 'forged piloting, with perhaps a npc expert, or some kind of steam power underling(s) to fill out the other slots. The trick is, at the same time I'd like the mech to be big enough to work as thier mobile home, to have room to hold the other characters as well as whatever else. And I only have the main dragonmech book, so I've got no idea what a wrenchthrower is. Haha sounds fun, though! |
| Rohano10-30-07, 10:08 PM | What role will the crusader fill on the mech? Is he just going to fire whatever gun isn't being operated by the others? Or will he be the shock trooper boarder once the stalker gets a grapple or something attached to enemy mechs? He'd just end up standing around for all of combat until he gets to board, lol. Then, as is likely if you have extra crew with the party to operate more guns, he'd probably have to bolt out of the enemy mech as soon as he entered it because your party is blowing the snot out of it. |
| galoneever10-31-07, 08:10 PM | well you get a fast mech and have the crusader follow the ankel biter in. the ankel biter forces the way open once his mech passes on a charge or something of the like, the crusader follows and goes in the same way, eliminating the need to opne another hatch. then the crusader bashes his way around till he finds the cockpit to disable the mech via taking out the pilot, or at least distracting it till his mech pilot buddy can push the other mech over uncontested. adding to the troubles everyone in the mech has to face. to be honest it looks like you have a bording party going on though, so i would et them a mech thats fast more than powerfull. i wouldent give it a bore puncher, as this would eliminate the need for the ankelbiter, unless hes just taking it for the magnabomb thing. so a fast mech with weapons enough to defend itself,but not to really be offensive would be ideal without making them too powerfulle. everyone is doing something so everyone is happy. but the great thing is crew and firing ports determines how many places on the mech you can stand. so if you run out of crew area, you still have firing port areas, so dont fret about giving them a small mech if thats what you want to do. everyone can always do something on a mech. and yes mitzigo ((spelled wrong on purpose.)) there is a wrenchthrower prestige class, which was orriginally why we where trying to get you to play, all you have to do is play a coglayer for a while, which sounds like your favorite hero anyway since they enjoy technology, and then go into wrenchthrower, which involves throwing wrenches down the inside of the mech to fix things so you can concentrate on other things, though i suppose you could use it to attack people around corners without looking. though i sugest playing a base human for this, it will give you far more levels and will be more fun in the long run. just my opinion though. have fun at the con. and hapy halloween everyone. |
| LadyMitsuko11-01-07, 10:32 AM | XD Maybe, I just might. But mechs were never really my thing. But if I could be like Winry..then that would be pretty neat. I will have to see. ^__^ And yesh, I will have fun at the con! I always do! |
| Real_Sorceror11-01-07, 01:46 PM | Changeling Speaks! 1) Sorry for not being online, I don't have internet access right now. 2) I also apologize for the poor show last Saturday. I didn't mean to blow you guys off like that. 3) Anyways, I have an excellent storyline going for the Zith campaign. Its going to be very challenging and possibly 2-5 sessions, depending on how long we get to play. Be sure everyone is updated on your end. 4) I will be making liberal use of the Epic Bestairy. The CR is going to explode, and should you survive, the rewards will be great. ;) 5) The Angus Chibi is done, although I'm still tweaking it. The bugger is disgustingly adorable. :rolleyes: 6) I'll be DMing a lot more from here on out, both in the Zith and Mech games, as well as others if need be. 7) Fu-Leng was done on Saturday, but I didn't have the stats for his weaponry. I will be playing him all out, so be ready for it. :mad: Fu will be smuggling six artifact swords that could destroy the multiverse. I may allow you to keep one (and only one) if/when you defeat him. Yes, they are that uber. 8) For Galoneever: I'd like to wheen you off the paragon template and onto something more concrete. Would you be willing to switch over to the Polychromatic dragon (I'll let you see the stats on Friday)? If so, it will be integrated into the storyline. |
| Moosh Nailo11-02-07, 12:42 AM | Yeah, the anklebiter and crusader wouldn't be with the mech all the time. There would probably also be quite a few adventures off of the mech entirely. This campaign will have focus on both, so all the characters can do their thing. The crusader is there to deal with any footies encountered, as well as to turn the interior of enemy mechs into meatgrinders after the anklebiter opens them up. More comfortable with the idea of a smaller mech now, with the firing ports --> place to stand thing going on. The anklebiter and crusader will probably hang on the outside while the coglayer sits comfy behind a firing port, and the pilot, well... pilots. Still haven't decided on the mech's equipment. Should it have built-in weapons, or is it more practical to have free hands and hold equipment? (thinking a sword and a steam gun) This group is mostly focused on flavour/fun rather than optimization. The crusader is just an awesome character that couldn't be passed up on. Johnny Ohm style from Marvel Nemesis. |
| galoneever11-02-07, 01:56 AM | hmmmmmmm, ok, im a fan of the battlefist a.k.a. a free hand, it allows for the easy custimization of the mech, via barbed axes and steamguns and flame guns and whatnot. however a melded gun arm cannot be removed as easily in combat. i like having free hands so that if the mech has extra space he can store more weapons, even if it means he can only use one or two at the same time, he could switch off, making the mech more versitile. really a smaller mech hould be fine with the party layout you have, a size catagory above large should be more than enough. they wont have too man weapons, but they could have multiple ones and switch out as like a standard action of something. this means it wont be too overpowered but will still be col enough where your players wont mind. also, the smaller the mech, the mre places it can go. box cannyons and forests are no problem for a rod walker, but cause suffeciant stress for bigger mechs that need to force there way through rather than dodge around them, thus slowing there progress. that your running both game types is aplaudable, i cant have multiple types in my party as i found out two weekeneds ago. i end up ignoring one half while im doing other things, and then the other when i try to make up for my lack of attention. but if a large creature can fit in the dungeon, so can the mech, you just might not be riding it inside, which is all the better. oh and the flamegun or whatever its called, thats just a mean antimech weapon. a mech has a very small chance of making the save Vs. catching fire. not too mention if it fails it then has to waist time putting it out, or try another reflex save, taking fire damage all the while. but it sounds like you know what your doing. i would go with battelfists though. just more you can do, move debree, pry open a fallen mech cockpit. put ot a fire on your mechs outside. lift heavy loads. thats just my sugestion though. ^^ |
| galoneever11-02-07, 02:03 AM | Changeling Speaks! 1) Sorry for not being online, I don't have internet access right now. 2) I also apologize for the poor show last Saturday. I didn't mean to blow you guys off like that. 3) Anyways, I have an excellent storyline going for the Zith campaign. Its going to be very challenging and possibly 2-5 sessions, depending on how long we get to play. Be sure everyone is updated on your end. 4) I will be making liberal use of the Epic Bestairy. The CR is going to explode, and should you survive, the rewards will be great. ;) 5) The Angus Chibi is done, although I'm still tweaking it. The bugger is disgustingly adorable. :rolleyes: 6) I'll be DMing a lot more from here on out, both in the Zith and Mech games, as well as others if need be. 7) Fu-Leng was done on Saturday, but I didn't have the stats for his weaponry. I will be playing him all out, so be ready for it. :mad: Fu will be smuggling six artifact swords that could destroy the multiverse. I may allow you to keep one (and only one) if/when you defeat him. Yes, they are that uber. 8) For Galoneever: I'd like to wheen you off the paragon template and onto something more concrete. Would you be willing to switch over to the Polychromatic dragon (I'll let you see the stats on Friday)? If so, it will be integrated into the storyline. good to seeya changeling. hey umm, i dont know if you know, but the dwarf is not comming to game on friday, or saturday, cause hes got a con. ummm, i guess im coming, but i dont know about saturday, it depends on whether i can get in touch with tammy i suppose, see if shes at the con too or if shes just not coming. hey i cant wait to make a char for that ther guys game, level 4 or 5, hmmm, maybe ill try totemest again, or the other incarnum classes if i can figure them out anyway. who knows, maybe ill play a spell slinger class, oh wait, youve kinda got that down. oh well, ill figure something out, maybe ill just play a cleric going into healer or something. i dont think i would mind the challenge of playing a not so combat oriented class. i think that incarnum weapon feat is going to become a favorite of mine though, its handy in case i need a weapon that dosent cost anything, like if im playing a VoP healer or something. ^^ |
| dungeonman7911-05-07, 12:47 PM | ok here is how you bend the rules to TP your self and all the people you have to attach all the people to yourself in some way that satifies the DM and call them equipment. living things can be equipment. and if i read the TP spell correctly you and all you equipment goes with you without issue |
| galoneever11-05-07, 11:51 PM | im not to certain the transportaion is an issue much anymore, its definatly a good solution, but i think we had come to the same onclusion, they all do things for him, much like magic items and equipment do, so we basically said that they came because they where apart of him. or something about blood vessels and the human body and the same prenciple being applied to him. x.x |
| Real_Sorceror11-06-07, 01:42 PM | City Sized God Update As the OP says, all of my original problems have long ago been solved. The mech simply qualifies as a vehicle, which means its passengers travel with it. Whurrak has recently relocated to deep space, and is using the super dense matter of a dead star to build himself a new body. For those of us who have the Immortals Handbook, this substance is called Orichalcum, and will increase his strength and virtual size immensely. However, construction will likely take a year or more, and will require a craft(mechcraft) check of nearly 1000. No problem. :D |
| galoneever11-07-07, 08:06 PM | XD cain cannot wait to see wurrack break the planat should he decide to land back on earth. cain is also horrified by some of the things hes heard about wurrack and the evil book known as the immortals handbook. the true namer may actually have a really cool reason to be a librarian and cain is going to e a cool dragon that will finnaly allow him to be as big as wurrack ((was)). this will thankfully allow him to be immune to the rushing attmpts of a certain dwarf, of whome scares even the deity of dragons, though just barely, big compliments from my book. it will likewise increase his reach and hitting power, thogh it will make him slightly easier to hit, though no truly noticable. cain cannot wait to be titanic size and bigger as he wishes to once and forall prove that he is and will remain the true deity of dragons. the greatist thing will be eventually almost being as big as a large mountain and should some people aka DMs of the group get us up to a big enough level, perhaps cain can make it into another race all together, beefing himself up until he gets into the chronodragons or possibly the bigger one becoming a two headed monstrosity that quakes entire continents with its snores, much less its roars. *dervish giggle.* ok, probably not going to happen, but i can imagine that it will. |
| galoneever11-12-07, 01:19 AM | X.x cain hates the fat kid who played the cleric soo much. he walked out into this huge group of gizerai and bad mouthed the captain, which if you dont mind angoose i might be making one of ziths estranged true githyanke sons. anyway im trying to have a semi peacfulle solution right and he talks over the gith. so needless to say the gizurai all use daze on him. all 8. he fails at least one and so now hes just boned by 8 level one gith. but anyway, now hes just standing there and like 3 rounds later the dwarf captain busts out of his cabin and basically bul rushes him into the side of the boat, leaving him with 2 hp but out of there spell, wreby te whole party was saved from a humiliating crushing by the owner telling us it was quitting time. i feel for you dwarf. he was the one playing the mobile fighter i told you about. by the by, tell the mitzigo person that i hope she feels all better and stuff/ |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10011-14-07, 12:02 PM | Yeah, Mitsuko and I were none too pleased with that particular player character in our game either. He openly questioned me when I was Dming, and then became frustrated when I gave sound answers to his questions. He has also stolen my build for scrag, our future patron of goblins. Thankfully, I did not give him the full build or a list of Scrag's equipment. In other words, he will completely flounder when trying to use the "Scrag Build." I'm currently updating Zith and Kothar, Zith is now a lemorian half-fiend- and has a poison stinger attack. He's also taking levels in legendary dreadnought, survivor, and my personal favorite-ghost faced killer. I also remembered that Zith had bane strike against good outsiders in his battle against Angus- so I think his attacks would've been twenty points higher, possibly enough to hit Angus. In any event I'm still working out what I'm going to do with kothar, maybe barbarian and blood scaled fury levels.:) Angus is completely done and ready as he's going to be to fight Fu Leng. I only need to finish Mitsuko's spread sheets before she's ready too. I admit it, I'm shakin in my little booties to fight anything out of the Immortals handbook- especially since i'm not using any of it.:eek: |
| galoneever11-14-07, 03:21 PM | XD sily angoose, you only need to fear 95% of anything in that book, maybe only 90%, but some of that book is scary, coarse i only looked at like three things in that bok. one of which being a being that can start hurting people by being ithin like 5 miles, or was it 500. in either case hes doing thousands of points of dmage, and hes easily putting Bos speed records to all forms of shame. moving like well over a thousand times Bos speed, even with the class levels i want to add. but i think im going to make the boat alot like the subtle knife from the golden compasse series for the pirate campaighn, slipping between different plane rather than ripping a hole or just vanishing. yeah, that kid, and i hesitate to call him that, but i feel thats how different the level of experience even on a role play value lies. but that kid tried to ask if he could use the build. i was like. "sure, you can be a goblin stonedeath assasin....(he was all excited and stuff too.)) but your kinda on a ship, in the middle of an ocean. the nearest bedrock is like two miles down and then another coupla of feet through pure muck. but sure, if you wanna be a stone death assasin, be my guest." he was all like no, thats ok, i think ill play my cleric. but hey, can i level up so im the same level?" but i was like, "hey, did the DM in your last game say you could level him up for next game?" and he was like "no." so i was like, "well theres your answer then." ^^ coarse i was as friendly as i could be, but i had conditional modifiers of i had seen him abuse not only one of my favorite classes and play types ((mobile fighter)), but leaving me for dead in the bottom of a pit as well. which serves as a lesson. treat all player charectors well, or at least the same. you never know who might be the DM the next time you sit at the table....yeah, that guy that you could have saved but left for dead because of the big pile of gold in the corner...oh yeah, can you say DM vengence, sneaky style? i can, just did. anyway, angoose and ta mitsy will be perfectly fine. ^_^ all is well in the land of oz. in fact i cant wait to see how changling is going to roleplay cainse ascension to a polychromatic dragon. its gonna be awesome. |
| LadyMitsuko11-16-07, 01:51 PM | *blinks and looks back at Angus confused like* Hmm, never heard that nickname before. I suppose its better then being called old, or grandma. *sighs and then shrugs* As long as Yume doesn't find out....I think I will be in the clear. XD You guys have fun tonight at game while I slaving away at work. Bah...I hate it so. I'd rather be playing Ayami or Lilith. *lowers head and mushroom cloud sighs* Welp, there is always next week....when I don't have to close the store. XD Hopefully see ya guys tomorrow! Bye! One more thing...if I have to sit and "tollerate" that child one more time....I might have to Iaijutsu focus his ass into the next millenia. |
| galoneever11-17-07, 02:28 AM | i think im going to send him up against a cleric, evangalist, ummmm that itradictor or whatever its called, forgot it already. oh and that one class that boosts your charisma by alot. then im going to turn him to evil, just for fun. but anyway. i think in the pirat game im going to repace the dwarf cleric/fighter captain with a vampire, the true owner of the ship, which would actually explain alot of the things that i have on the boat. like the random locked chest. -the chest holds like instructions on how to operate the ship correctly. and different things like that im stuck on the cleric evangelist though, i wanna play church and actually role play him into old age. he would make the perfect evangalist. he was an evangelist before i even knew that prestige class existed. its a cleric that tries to turn people to his dieties point of view, exactly what that full plate wearing little gnome did. i mean, i looked over his charector sheet, which i just found and it actally has soap box written into the inventory. i remember i used to go into a town...despite the fact that we only visited two...and would preach the holy word of bahamut. and another time when i threw sand at salazar, then known just as skull mask saying "the power of bahamut compells you!" for like ten minute in real time which translated as hours in game. can you imagine a little gnome in full plate following you around and throwing sand on you? i suprised church made it through the night, much less live as long as he did. but as an evanalist i suppose he would probably have been really handy.....or at least sorta handy. actually in his prime with all the levels i wanna give him he would have been an ideal person to have in a leaders coart. he would be able to discern lies really easily, he would be able to turn people to the cause, albiet slowly. and he could turn spies to there side, devolging secrets they knew about there own camps. he would be able to provide good healing and nifty abilities, and all it would take was a few years of corrupting him, though he would be basically incorruptible in the long run. the one thing that would destroy him of coarse would be the mention of bahamut's death. yes theres another good dragon, but he pledged his service to bahamut. X.X actually now tha i look back on those sessions, it wasent so fun, i just remembered all the reticule i went through for being a cleric of bahamut, and for being a gnome, and for preaching....all because some other worshiper of bahamut before me turned a mind flayer....x.x i was so much cooler than she was though, even as a gnome, but i cant play church asanything other than a gnome, hes practically iconic if you where to play in any of salazars games, he shows up everywhere. |
| galoneever11-17-07, 02:36 PM | sorry, that was cleric ((at least 4)), church inquesitor 10, evangalist 5, and finnaly courtier((as needed.)). the inquesitor is more fluff than anything, though it allows me to continue gaining spells as a cleric. while im not a big fan of spells, i now know of a few very handy low level spells in which can become very handy. unfortunatly all of my abilities are more usefulle involving charisma rather than wisdom, which will hamper my spellcasting ability but it will allow me to use some of my inquesitor and evangelist abilities far mre easily. unfortunatly i feel like i need to use changelings diplomacy trick, but it does sound like something church would do. these classes, except maybe courtier, i aent realy read up on that, sound exactly like church. he was always preaching, thus the nickname, he was always trying to turn people to his side of thinking, and he hated being lied too. i figure after i get what i need for feats i can take the feats that eventualy allow me to decern lies by using my sense otive bluff and diplomacy....or mayb ill just cast zone of truth with permenency around me. sure it will make me tell the truth all the time, but as a gnome i can so spit on people and tell them where they can stick it in the name of his god as an answer. i would be telling the truth and answering the question in my own unique way. ^^ church, the only quasi cool gnome....or at least the only gnome you want at a party as entertainment. watch him try to turn your friends, watch him throw dust in there eyes ywlling for them to repent....watch him kick them in the knees when they ignore him. |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10011-19-07, 01:27 PM | sorry, that was cleric ((at least 4)), church inquesitor 10, evangalist 5, and finnaly courtier((as needed.)). If you're using courtier to raise your charisma, then I wouldn't bother with it. The only way Mitsuko can get that ability is because she is a crane courtier using a variant crane class ability-besides, it only boosts your charisma every time you get a new courtier ability, which is like every 3 or 4 levels. I would recomend courtier if you're only using it for diplomacy stuff, in that case it owns your soul.:D Zith is almost done, and he is lookin cooler by the moment. He can use Hellfire Storm as a quickened spell-like ability, all of his melee damage is vile, and he has two different types of poison that he can produce naturally (take that Strength and Wisdom). He also has permanency and Investiture of the Pitfiend active on him, so he gains wing attacks and improves his claw damage. As of late he can attack with his silver swords six times a round (improved two-weapon fighting), Wing attack twice, stinger attack, and inject opponents with poison- and all of that melee damage is vile. To top that off, Zith is Built for smiting good- now he can smite good, swift action True Strike, Unstoppable, and Dark God's Blessing with one attack; granting him a +72 to that one attack roll. :cool: Kothar is coming along too. I think i'm going to use barbarian, frenzied berserker, berserk, blood-scaled fury, and finish it off with good old Warhulk. The way I'm looking at it now is that Kothar is there to kill armies for Zith, while Zith himself is starting to focus on dueling- not hard to grasp after his fight with Angus .;) |
| galoneever11-19-07, 05:32 PM | sweet. to be honest i dont know if im even going to get high enough with him to even have courtier levels. he really would be based almost exclusivly on diplomacy but i think id rather have good ol cleric levels, more turn checks and spels and what not. and since e wont be a deity theres no pressure. ^^ Church is a fun charector, always will be. he's just a gnome possibly switching to half elf. it might be fun to play without a blatently japanese class thrown in there. to be honest since hes old and crotchety he would probably scoff at everything japanese anyway. XD oh and ive figured out something cool. you add the non lethal property to a weapon and suddenly the vow of peace isent so damaging to the fighter and or cleric. it alows me to do subduel damage while just weilding the weapon normally. o coarse ill be using a blunt weapon which is what clerics in 1.0 where limited to anyway. they wherenet allowed to have a weapon that intentionally drew blood. but a war hammer was alright. XD |
| galoneever11-19-07, 06:06 PM | Zith is looking cooler day by day. does he still have the levels of ummm ghost faced killer. the fact that someone has to mak what two or three saves or die like every other round is freaking awesome. i still cant wait to see what changeling has planned for cain and his wonderfulle transformation from a loveable shadown dragon into a menacing polychromatic dragon. i can tell you i will miss the epic paragon template. my armur class is going to plummit again. oh well, im trading AC for more health, alot more health. im gaining size catagories which i really waned, and if i keep adding levels in polychromatic dragon i wont have to worry about having a low AC as i will tower over the field. unfortunnatly i will probably never have the oppurtunity to become anything more than the loveable dragon that im becomin now. but if you look at like the chrono dragon, i would be like nothing more than a younge dragon at the very most. maybe no more than even a wyrmling. either way i will be something all normal dragons would look at in terror. though i was being honest when i said that given the choice i would rather become a chrono dragon of suffeciant level rather than an over deity. those things are dragons from space...they destroy things by there very pressence. and as i have said before, there snores shake continents. |
| Real_Sorceror11-21-07, 03:15 PM | The Six Swords Saga will consist of: Prologue: Will take place in Rokugan. Angus, Mirith, Ayame, and Thraster will be present. This will likely be a quick role-play session with minimal dice rolling (but who am I kidding? Just kill whatever) Chapter 1: Will take place on various planes, and in outer space. Zith, Cain, Lilith, Salazzar, and various others will be the primary characters. I expect this will run 2-4 sessions depending on what gets done and how long we play. Interlude: A quick BS game just for kicks. It will still be important to the storyline, but the tone will be pretty light. It will probably involve older characters that need some action. Chapter 2: Top Secret, although it is up for discussion this Saturday. Epilogue: Angus versus the weilder of the swords. Will it be Fu-Leng? Will it be Zith? Old-Man Jenkins? Scrag? Nobody knows. Also, I'm planning a Ravenloft type game. It will basically be an alternate timeline of Helrindar. Angus disappears after entering the dream world to fight Nightmare Lord. Naladrin (Junior) is suddenly left to fill the shoes of the greatest being in existance. Angus's old enemies come out of the woodwork, and, although they are defeated, the world becomes a very hostile and grim place to live. The overall storyline of this game is still underdeveloped, and I may hold it off until 4th Edition (although I'd hate to have everyone wait that long). The main character thus far will be Junior's youngest son (naturally played by Angus) who will be a Warlock (sorry Angus, but its important that you play a caster). As for everyone else, think about how your characters would be affected by Angus's disappearance, especially if he where missing for a long span of time. (Angus, if you would like to integrate this storyline into the main world's history, I can alter it slightly so that it fits into Chapter 2 of the Six-Swords story-arc). |
| galoneever11-22-07, 11:57 PM | The Six Swords Saga will consist of: Prologue: Will take place in Rokugan. Angus, Mirith, Ayame, and Thraster will be present. This will likely be a quick role-play session with minimal dice rolling (but who am I kidding? Just kill whatever) Chapter 1: Will take place on various planes, and in outer space. Zith, Cain, Lilith, Salazzar, and various others will be the primary characters. I expect this will run 2-4 sessions depending on what gets done and how long we play. Interlude: A quick BS game just for kicks. It will still be important to the storyline, but the tone will be pretty light. It will probably involve older characters that need some action. Chapter 2: Top Secret, although it is up for discussion this Saturday. Epilogue: Angus versus the weilder of the swords. Will it be Fu-Leng? Will it be Zith? Old-Man Jenkins? Scrag? Nobody knows. Also, I'm planning a Ravenloft type game. It will basically be an alternate timeline of Helrindar. Angus disappears after entering the dream world to fight Nightmare Lord. Naladrin (Junior) is suddenly left to fill the shoes of the greatest being in existance. Angus's old enemies come out of the woodwork, and, although they are defeated, the world becomes a very hostile and grim place to live. The overall storyline of this game is still underdeveloped, and I may hold it off until 4th Edition (although I'd hate to have everyone wait that long). The main character thus far will be Junior's youngest son (naturally played by Angus) who will be a Warlock (sorry Angus, but its important that you play a caster). As for everyone else, think about how your characters would be affected by Angus's disappearance, especially if he where missing for a long span of time. (Angus, if you would like to integrate this storyline into the main world's history, I can alter it slightly so that it fits into Chapter 2 of the Six-Swords story-arc). my vote is for old man jenkins. hmmmmmmmmm, well since im about the only other one on here that even pays attention to this other than angoose, i suppose that question is pretty much directed at me. hmmm, so anggose dissapeers for a little while hmmm, well i would suppose that clerics are suddenly much more prevailent, at least in the story line, since someone needs to bring back all of anggose's wild children. i dont think i have a charector at around....well i dont know what level where playing, but i think im going to play a cleric, yes, a cleric should do nicely. one based on healing spells. now i just need to find the cost to make a weapon a non-leathal weapon and its all good. but i need to kno more about this campaign, i feel as if im in the dark here. im assuming this campiagn is the one that cain is currently sorta in? what with the big bad guy with the nutzo amount of swords? that means i need t get cracken on updating cain, even if its only a few levels. but yes, i think i will finnaly play an actualle cleric. and now that i have spell sheats it will be all the easier to actually play a caster. almost wish i was playing a warlock, but not a dwarf warlock....that would be a little far fetched. |
| galoneever11-24-07, 02:03 AM | X.x goblins are now close to gnomes on my i hate list. who can destroy a great wyrm white dragon and a mature adult vampiric red all by themselves? only one goblin, scrag. i tell you, i can party wipe everyone else, destroy them completly, wipe them from the face of the earth. but that horribe gnome is a stone death assasin......im running out of ideas, though i have one option remaining. other than send the wee bairn against two dragons, which would just fail a bit slower, or putting him out in the open with no rocks which would be completly unfair to him, i think i might just have to actually make a caster. a few words. blue sand mage sandstone tower permanent spells sandstorms wind these words will hopefully remind me of the things i need to do to hopefully finnaly challenge that horrible goblin in his own terrain. maybe not kill him, but put him through the ringer. of coarse changelings char. needs to die, his misfortune of playing a char. related to a dragon slayer that ran afoul of cain. of coarse currently he is being held by the last dragon, in line to be eatin like a delectable morsal of food. i even have a cool look for the dragon, one of his eyes being horribly scarred or something, his color almost dimmed by age. he would be immense, easily bigger than dragons of its own type, with a outh that displayed not only its long crooked blood stained teeth but its breath weapon always near the back of its throat, as if he was always prepared to blast what was in front of him. of coarse im going to hand craft this monstrosity as i want my players to have the mst fun they can possibly have. besides, if i dont hand craft it they will die, as was shown today. i need to craft an epic dragon, no lower dragon will do, this is the dragon that needs to have scrag on the brink of demise, gripped in his blood soaked talons...makes me giddy just thinking bout it. and to hink, hes going to be primarely a caster. lol. |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10011-27-07, 02:30 PM | I'm sorry, but I am so proud of my little goblin. I'm sorry he's giving you such a headache though, Galoneevar. I just worked particularly hard on crafting a truly skilled dragon slayer. I have a few more tricks with him, but not too many. I could make him do more, but I really don't want the little bugger getting epic levels. He already has the BAMF template, we don't need him to be epic also. I love that Scrag is only low level ( currently 18th), it makes him fun to play. He will always be the little sniping gremlin who captured our hearts- the lovable chupacabra. :) As for changling's question, I think it'll be cool if Fu Leng or Zith wields the blades at the end. I'm also working on an NPC who could prove quite challenging, but I'm not yet sure if he can come into existance. I love that Angus will have another truly epic battle before 4th edition trys to wipe my hero from the pages of time. I think that you gave me the best compliment I've ever recieved when you said that Angus is the greatest being in existance- It'll be quite dissappointing if the "big bad-guy at the end" is an old man NPC who is known for barfing on shoes.:P As for the warlock, I'll be cool with playing a caster- but if I need to rewrite my family tree one more time, I'm gonna kick your androgenous butt. :cool: |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10011-27-07, 02:40 PM | (Angus, if you would like to integrate this storyline into the main world's history, I can alter it slightly so that it fits into Chapter 2 of the Six-Swords story-arc). I have a good idea- it also ties into the current story arch. I'll talk with you about it next time we meet. |
| galoneever11-27-07, 04:48 PM | the kobolt four.... kin of kin, brothers of brothers. who can stop this horrible little goblin? hopefully the blue dragon, and his possible lacky gremlin dragon thingy. if not however, the kin will have to resurected. cain has of coarse been reading up on everything that has involved the dwarvin deity. so of coarse he was intrigued by the inclusion of the dasterdly kobolt four. i have a few good ideas for what the kobolt four might include, and of coarse they will have to be of a slightly higher CR concedering that they are once again draconic. but i do believe that i might just be able to make these little beasties into something that even scrag might take a bit of nottice with. i will of coarse try to keep with the original theme in at least one f them, but i dont think barbarian kobolts will do the trick. so look for something a bit different this time around oh angoose. these kin of kin are not the same as there bretherin before them! |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10011-29-07, 02:16 PM | the kobolt four.... kin of kin, brothers of brothers. who can stop this horrible little goblin? hopefully the blue dragon, and his possible lacky gremlin dragon thingy. if not however, the kin will have to resurected. cain has of coarse been reading up on everything that has involved the dwarvin deity. so of coarse he was intrigued by the inclusion of the dasterdly kobolt four. i have a few good ideas for what the kobolt four might include, and of coarse they will have to be of a slightly higher CR concedering that they are once again draconic. but i do believe that i might just be able to make these little beasties into something that even scrag might take a bit of nottice with. i will of coarse try to keep with the original theme in at least one f them, but i dont think barbarian kobolts will do the trick. so look for something a bit different this time around oh angoose. these kin of kin are not the same as there bretherin before them! Good because the only two things that the old kobold four seemed to do well was suck and die. Just for the record, last time the only one that was really scary was the barbarian- and I killed him good. Unless you make the Kobold Four a squad of stonedeath assassin killing ninjas who are lead by the Great Wyrm (my kobold of doom), I don't think I'll be getting much out of that fight- other than some experience and a good laugh.;) Scrag is almost finished, just have some minor stuff to deal with- then he can hunt more dragons.:cool: I had a really evil thought for Scrag's backstory of something you could use against him, but I'm not saying. |
| galoneever12-04-07, 02:18 AM | well i cannot promise they will be much of a challenge, even if they are all higher level and you are alone. this says somehing about the horrible gobblin, not enough prep time + too much char. creation and work = party death and victoriouse goblin. luckly i have built these sorts of chars before, all except maybe one or two of them, so im hoping they will put the goblin in his place, not kill him, but hopefully make him respect dragons a little more. MO KN _____Kobolt Four______ BlM and maybe CL and proper feat selection for every single member might very well be what finnaly does it. its going to take a cunning that im not sure they can even make. if anything they can at least be raised for use as bosses in other games, seeing as how they would stand very little chance of losing to a regular party. its just that horrible little goblin. its kinda sad, the whle party des and the goblin survives, next game same result, next game almost everyone dies. i cant lower the CR because the goblin would win too easily, i cant keep the CR at what it is because the party bites the littleral big one. though i might have a solution, the goblins own stradegy might very well work against him, possibly, if i can mannage to do it correctly. hmmmmmmmm, just maybe. |
| galoneever12-07-07, 01:59 PM | hehehe, i think i came across the answer i need while at an art exibit last night, for how im supposed ot find that rascally goblin. it was actually quite simple, and will allow for everyone on the field to know where that little thing is. now all i need is a wisdom based caster to fill out the ranks. i think i might actually have the winning ticket right here. the rest of the crew will have a very tough time with them, but considering that there main focus will be on the gblin, there should be all of one kobold fcusing on them at any given time. this battle is still winable, but im hoping that the kobolds opening tactics will at least throw the goblin off tilter. the kobolds are not supposed to kill off any of the team, in fact, they mostly have non-lethal ways of finnishing the party off. my only concern is the casters. i have ways to counter the warlock. the ranger dragon slayer might be a bit tougher, the knight wont be easy, but fighting small kobolds is not her strong suit. the other ranger, the elf will be a bit tougher, particurlarly if he manages to land a single hit on any of the kobolds. one single hit from his arrows will hurt, if not kill off any of the kobold four. i can only hope that i finnaly win without crushing the rest of the party. this "arena" match will hopefully put him in his horrible little place. and i think if i offer to bring back his village if he wins against this next chalenge and then put him at the head of that village, that he will be compelled to fight. i wont tell him its in an arena, and i wont tell him that he is truly fighting four kobolds, not a dragon. unfortunatly i dont believe they can fight one of the kobolds, he will be truly a complete test of there abilities to work as a team. trying to pin him down and keep him away from his friends will be the true test however. rushing in headlong will only earn them a quick lesson in always bringing a second weapon and that one enemy is not a garuantee that you will win. i hope everyone has fun when this is run, but i do not expect that it will be run within the next couple of weeks. i really want to have the time to sit back and realy make these buggers truly a test of the goblins and the parties mettle. im going to see about posting there stats after the fight is run, just to show the horror that i had to go through to hopefully even pose a challenge to this level 18 blighter. |
| galoneever12-11-07, 05:20 PM | no real advance on the kobolt four, though i still have a few good ideas left. on the subject of the gestalt game though... a scout/cleric with zen archery is the most disgusting thing on the face of the planet. im sure others would argue that with something like ranger i could be even better, what with a higher BAB and more spells. however, the long term benefits of playing a scout come in the form of higher skill points, camoflauge, hide in plain sight and finnaly freedom of movement, one of the only classes that provides it if im not mistaken. better yet the DM is allowing an off shoot of a very interesting class in the form of arcane archer, hence known as Divine Bow. Its great because it allows my Aasimar cleric scout to use very cool abilities. im tempted to go into dread commando, but i think i should focus on my combat abilities first. with a few levels of cleric scout and Divine Bow i can not only infuse my Bone bow ((1d10)) with a spell like inflict moderate wounds ((2d8 +1/ odd level)) but then i add my extra damage for moving ten feet via skirmish (( 2d6)) then eventually im going to be getting the force effect on it ((1d6 force)) sonic effect ((1d6 sonic with chance of stun)) ice, fire, acid, electricity (( 1d6 maybe each)) the best part is that with wisdom being my main stat for my attack and spells i can continue with these class types with no problem at all meaning not only will i have more spells, but ill hit more often than some of my stronger comrads, such as our monk Iiajutsu master. but the tactics dont end there. i will activly be able to hide very well due to being a scout, i will have a very good skill point total and best yet i will be able to attack from the trees themselves. with one feat i can move through medium density forests as if i was moving on the ground. this means i get that good +1 to hit for height while maintainging that most parties travel together, meaning i can get into a good flanking position while everyone is attacked on the ground. the only thing that would increase my damage further would be getting order of the bow initiate, which im not certain i qualify for. i know that arcane archer requires you to be an elf or half elf, however our DM has bent the rules for Divine Bow to be for Aasimar, due to there rather divine heritage. if i qualify for it, then i would be recieving even mre d10s just for taking one shot per round, which would be effective for a different form of scrags sniper tactics. the trees would be my friends, much like the stone for which scrag is so fond. i wouldent be melding with them of coarse, but concedering we woul be going against targets far less than the epic dragons for which scrag is going against, i do believe that i might be just as effective. oh and for everyone that is interested, the only reason i would be taking all of the dread cmmando levels is because of the great bonus to initiative that each of my party members woud recieve. just another way to aid and assist my party, like a good cleric does. :3 yay for background heros, the guys that do alot of the work but get none of the credit, it is my lot in life. who scouted out that cave full of drow for us? i dont know, but did you see how i cleaved those Drow waiting in ambush in two? man, this viniscen is great, did you chase down that deer for two miles mister fighter in full plate? no, but man, i woulda smashed him good if he had run strait at me. oh noes, we barely won that fight, did anyone see where the big guy went off to after those arrows flew into his back from nowhere? *huff huff* hey guys, wont be seeing that demon for a while, left him at the bottom of a magical trap, i miss anything? yeah, i think i scared off the demon when i killinated his lackeys! man, watever happened to that guy that used to heal us after our tougher battles, the one that was real quit and tended to sleep outside alot? i dont know but man i sure do miss those breakfasts he served, used to fill me with all the things i needed to fight me some dragons. |
| galoneever12-12-07, 04:32 PM | man, i feel all alone on these threads, three posts with no answrs now. x.x |
| Dwarven_God_ECL10001-16-08, 04:07 PM | Wow, there hasn't been an update in some time. For everyone who is paying attention to the story arc of this thread- Scrag is now our patron of goblins, Angus is a level 105 overdeity and wields the Godsend longsword, Mitsuko is level 85 and wields Steel Hydra. Most of our potential deities finally made it within the past month, including an evil duplicate of Whurrak's floating space station form. Zith is now the proud owner of an enormous throne that doubles his ability scores, and cain is a polychromatic dragon. We have a new player in our group, and she is playing our moon goddess. We also have a new potential player who is going to test his luck this weekend, but he's an evil deity trying to threaten our world by himself-all I can say is good luck and I'm glad you have 150 hit dice.:) |