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AgarwaenImmortal 07-14-07, 01:54 PM	Greetings! Don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but here it goes... If a cleric from some world planeshifts to another world with different gods, what would happen to his spell-casting and other abilities? And if he loses them, is there anyway to prevent that? Thanks!
Shemeska the Marauder 07-14-07, 02:51 PM	Several possibilities: 1) His god is still capable of granting him his spells and nothing different appears to happen. 2) The world he's on has strange local laws of divine magic, usually put in place by an overgod who watches over that world (such as Toril's overgod Ao). Such worlds might only allow gods who have established a formal divine presence on that world to provide spells to clerics. 2A) Even if the cleric's god has no way to grant him spells, a similar god worshipped on that new world may grant him spells in place of his own deity, either because it's a nice thing to do, or providing those spells furthers its goals, or the two deities have some agreement in place regarding their worshippers and granted spells when in the others' worlds. 2B) The cleric is approached by servants of a similar god who offer the option of converting, or doing some other favors in return for spellcasting so long as they're on that world. 3) No spells. He's suddenly an eloquent speaking cut-rate fighter. So to speak.
Salla 07-14-07, 05:08 PM	4. The cleric's powers are based on faith, not direct divine intervention and operate perfectly since the source is within, not without. :)
hazhar 07-14-07, 08:27 PM	5. the cleric, as a dedicated follower and representative of his god, is able to be used by his deity as a conduit through which to grant spells/abilities, regardless of where he is in the multiverse.
AgarwaenImmortal 07-16-07, 09:57 AM	Thank you very much!!!! Never expected this many answers! All of them have been really helpful!!!! :P
Mai_ariti 07-17-07, 10:22 AM	4. The cleric's powers are based on faith, not direct divine intervention and operate perfectly since the source is within, not without. :) This isn't the case, is it? My impression was that the ARCANE classes are more internal and that the DIVINE classes require an outside source. Following this, it is the faith that creates the deities who then distrubute the powers. After all, there is (according to FCII) a street in Baator where 'new' gods appear that were created to furfil the roles of gods for people who worship a LE idea. If this is true, however, why is it that a LE person who believes in Pelor doesn't get spells? Back to the question: 6. the Cleric continues to revere the ideals his god stands for and gains spells as a cleric who chose no god but instead just picked two domains.
d4rkc4rn4ge 07-17-07, 10:33 AM	if true then wouldnt his deity be present on that world because his faith in that deity
d4rkc4rn4ge 07-17-07, 10:34 AM	if true then wouldnt his deity be present on that world because his faith in that deity and he does be cause we all know pelor is evil
420 07-17-07, 12:56 PM	From Manual of the Planes (pg. 44) Divine Spellcasting and Alternate Material Planes Even if an alternate Material Plane has its own pantheon of deities, divine spellcasters can still gain their spells provided that they have access to their native plane through spells or portals. Indeed, their deity may be extremely interested in this new area full of potential converts. Conversely, the native deities on the alternate Material Plane (if any) may take a great interest in a new religion sweeping the plane. Such transplants may be resposible for the same deities appearing on different worlds. If a divine spellcaster who receives spells from a deity arrives by interplanar accident, however, the connection may be severed. Such a character might have to locate a new deity that matches up with the alignments and beliefs of his or her old deity before receiving spells again. Certain spells and domains may no longer be available until the switch is made -- and converting to a new faith may not be an easy process. Alternatively, a cleric cut off from his deity might simply venerate the principles he stands for, connecting to his domains in the same way that clerics unaffiliated with a deity do. -420
Salla 07-18-07, 01:12 AM	This isn't the case, is it? My impression was that the ARCANE classes are more internal and that the DIVINE classes require an outside source. Following this, it is the faith that creates the deities who then distrubute the powers. After all, there is (according to FCII) a street in Baator where 'new' gods appear that were created to furfil the roles of gods for people who worship a LE idea. If this is true, however, why is it that a LE person who believes in Pelor doesn't get spells? And THIS is why I use Eberron's Clerical/Religion system, because that is not an issue. Clerical alignment is not required to be near their patron deity's, if any. :)
GoriceXII 07-19-07, 11:02 AM	6. The cleric has to use spells to get spells (some version of contact other plane for instance). I'm using this in an adventure I'm planning.
Callista 07-20-07, 12:33 PM	If this is true, however, why is it that a LE person who believes in Pelor doesn't get spells?Because there's "belief" and then there's "faith"... There's a big difference between acknowledging someone's existence and power, and (as a true cleric would) shaping your own life so as to live by his principles. An LE person, no matter how real his belief in Pelor is (and it could be very real, since Pelor is his enemy) cannot receive spells because he does not have the sort of faith that a cleric would--the sort of faith that results in action.