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Phantomcrossing 03-20-07, 02:46 AM	Okay. In a recent Dragon Magazine article they covered a few demi-planes, one of such was the demi plane of imprisonment... I'm getting a very "From the Far-Realm" vibe from it...and the Far Realm is a very thinly veiled means of bringing the oh so Lovecraftian horrors into any campaign. However, over the time I've been playing this game (4 years) I've noticed a few things. I think that the ancient elves who first opened a portal to the far realm in their hubris are now the LeShay from the epic level handbook. With the fall of their civilization they were able to seal the mightiest of the horrors that passed through their gate by creating the Demi-Plane of imprisonment. This creature, however, was not the only creature to pass through to the great wheel. Through this portal also crossed what is now a Demon Lord and his other Obyrith Kin, Dagon. Interesting?
Shemeska the Marauder 03-20-07, 03:03 AM	The Demiplane of Imprisonment is meant to be the prison of Tharizdun, but there's nothing stopping you from using a different occupant and tying it your ideas there :)
tryco 03-20-07, 03:53 PM	sounds interesting. but wasn't cthulhu Lovecrafts main bad. i always thought that dagon was only in one novel ("Dagon"). anyway, i think i'll use the demi-plane idea. sounds interesting. :D
Cthulhu3125 03-20-07, 04:08 PM	Surely a demiplane of imprisonment reduces Carceri's usefulness...
ripvanwormer 03-20-07, 04:18 PM	Surely a demiplane of imprisonment reduces Carceri's usefulness... Carceri isn't the plane of imprisonment, it's the plane of traitors. There are many planes of imprisonment: Carceri, Pandemonium, Ravenloft, and the inner planes of Ooze and Earth are all used that way. The layer of Belieren in Elysium is also a prison realm. Many layers of the Abyss are prisons. Furthermore, planar beings are sometimes imprisoned on the Material Plane, including Eltab, Graz'zt, Fraz-Urb'luu, Zuggtmoy, Iyachtu Xvim, Iuz, and Fharlanghn. The Demiplane of Imprisonment has been part of the D&D canon since 1st edition.
awaken_D_M_golem 03-20-07, 04:53 PM	Isn't there a new plane on the Abyss ... where all the losing American Idol contestants go to try again ? ... do you believe ... ... in Pun-Pun ... ... after FC1 Pazuzu Temptation entry ... ... you can feel something inside yourself ... ... you really don't think you're strong enough , nooo ... Charisma of 3 and Zero ranks in perform and Zero ranks in Profession : Dancer never stopped anybody , :) Hi Simon Hey Shemmy , did Cthulhu eat your Avatar ?
Bob the Efreet 03-22-07, 08:44 PM	but wasn't cthulhu Lovecraft's main bad. I don't think so. He just seems to be the most popular.
TheCrawlingSpleen 03-23-07, 03:10 AM	This creature, however, was not the only creature to pass through to the great wheel. Through this portal also crossed what is now a Demon Lord and his other Obyrith Kin, Dagon. Interesting? In fact, it echoes a thought I had when I first read about the obyriths in FC1. Noticing the twisted, lovecraftian nature of the obyriths and their similarity to beings from the Far Realm, I began to wonder whether many fiends had a common origin as mythos-style elder horrors :thinks:. i always thought that dagon was only in one novel ("Dagon"). He also features in The Shadow over Innsmouth.
mythSSK 03-23-07, 03:46 AM	Father Dagon is a minor Great Old One; though it has been suggested that he is merely a Deep One that has grown abnormally large. Together with Cthulhu and Mother Hydra, they form the triad of gods worshipped by the Deep Ones. Mother Hydra is Father Dagon's consort. The Cthulhu Mythos is centered on the Great Old Ones, a fearsome assortment of ancient, powerful deities that once ruled the Earth. They are presently quiescent, having fallen into a death-like sleep at some time in the distant past. The most well-known of these beings is Cthulhu, who currently lies "dead but dreaming" in the submerged city of R'lyeh somewhere in the Southeast Pacific Ocean. One day, "when the stars are right", R'lyeh will rise from beneath the sea, and Cthulhu will awaken and wreak havoc on the earth. Despite his notoriety, Cthulhu is not the most powerful of the deities nor is he the theological center of the mythos. Instead, this position is held by the demon-god Azathoth, an Outer God, ruling from his cosmically centered court. Nonetheless, Nyarlathotep, who fulfills Azathoth's random urges, has intervened more frequently and more directly in human affairs than any other Outer God. He has also displayed more blatant contempt for humanity, especially his own worshippers, than almost any other Lovecraftian deity. Just some random wiki information for those not versed with Lovecraft.
ripvanwormer 03-23-07, 04:47 AM	Noticing the twisted, lovecraftian nature of the obyriths and their similarity to beings from the Far Realm, I began to wonder whether many fiends had a common origin as mythos-style elder horrors . Definitely not. At least, I think they should be kept strictly separate. The Far Realm is an alien plane beyond good and evil. Demons are chaos and evil incarnate. Although the obyriths share some of the same literary inspirations as Far Realm horrors, their role in the cosmology is entirely different. Linking the two contaminates and muddies two things that are more interesting apart.
TheCrawlingSpleen 03-24-07, 01:54 PM	While I had also considered the Far Realm as beyond good and evil, all of the creatures from the Far Realm (the pseudonatural and half-farspawn templates, the kaorti and their creations the rukanyr and skybleeder) seem to have evil tendencies ("usually" or "always" on their alignment line). Linking the two contaminates and muddies two things that are more interesting apart. Sorry; I certainly didn't mean to do that. :embarrass
Shemeska the Marauder 03-24-07, 04:40 PM	While I had also considered the Far Realm as beyond good and evil, all of the creatures from the Far Realm (the pseudonatural and half-farspawn templates, the kaorti and their creations the rukanyr and skybleeder) seem to have evil tendencies ("usually" or "always" on their alignment line). Well it might be taken into consideration that the kaorti themselves aren't originally native to the Far Realm, but are mortals driven murderously insane and transformed by their exposure to it. Their creations are going to resemble their perspectives, so it's no surprise that they're evil. By comparison the Dharculus (which is native to the Far Realm but feeds by opportunity in the ethereal) is N.
Singer_of_the_Song 03-25-07, 08:43 PM	Well it might be taken into consideration that the kaorti themselves aren't originally native to the Far Realm, but are mortals driven murderously insane and transformed by their exposure to it. Their creations are going to resemble their perspectives, so it's no surprise that they're evil. By comparison the Dharculus (which is native to the Far Realm but feeds by opportunity in the ethereal) is N. The uvuuduam are evil too. I never liked that.