Diven rank 0 and Cr [Archive] - Wizards Community

Diven rank 0 and Cr [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
vegetalss4
08-25-07, 06:23 AM i got an question. if i applied Diven rank 0 to a monster how much would its cr increase?
Kain Darkwind
08-25-07, 03:20 PM i got an question. if i applied Diven rank 0 to a monster how much would its cr increase?

Depends on what natural immunities the monster had. At the extreme low levels, many of the immunities aren't even available to a party as attack options, so they are moot. At the extreme high levels, the base creature may possess those immunities already. I'd go with +4 as a nice easy flat number, but you'd have to determine case by case. DR 10/epic will probably render most 4th level or lower parties incapable of physical combat with the creature. SR 32 will put most spellcasters out of work. Etc. Consider these things.
vegetalss4
08-25-07, 03:57 PM well... thx (i use this surfix because i cant spell the word:embarrass )
the sorcerer mostly use magic missle anyway so that don mean much. and the bab deal hell of damege. so i think +4 will do nicely. so thx once agein
Aleolus
08-29-07, 02:55 AM ...Dude, a Sorc casting Magic Missile would still need to beat his SR to get the spell to affect him. SR 32 means that you need a Caster Check of at least 33 to affect him, meaning 1d20+caster level+ one other bonus, I think it's the one from your spellcasting stat.
vegetalss4
08-29-07, 01:12 PM ...Dude, a Sorc casting Magic Missile would still need to beat his SR to get the spell to affect him. SR 32 means that you need a Caster Check of at least 33 to affect him, meaning 1d20+caster level+ one other bonus, I think it's the one from your spellcasting stat.

you are right and i already know that. i just was pretty damn sure magic misslie where one of those few spells who did ignore spell resistance. turns out i was wrong:embarrass
Aleolus
08-29-07, 07:52 PM I think most damage dealing spells do not ignore spell resistance. None that I know of do, but then, I'm not the Spell Compendium, so I don't know for sure.
Kain Darkwind
08-29-07, 11:08 PM Damage dealing spells that are Conjuration seem to ignore SR more than those that are Evocation.

Incidentaly, like AC, you only need to match SR, not beat it. A caster level check 32 is required to penetrate SR 32. Not 33.
vegetalss4
09-02-07, 05:43 AM thx for the clarification kain
Kyuketsukiouji
09-03-07, 02:54 PM Don't forget that even DR 0 grants the divine stat array.
vegetalss4
09-03-07, 03:21 PM no they dont. thats only if i deside so and if i make a deity.
Kyuketsukiouji
09-05-07, 11:18 PM Well given that you're the DM, yes, of course it's "only if you decide so".

You are correct that a non-god DR 0 quasi-deity monster doesn't get the array.
vegetalss4
09-09-07, 11:33 AM there even is one in dieties and demigods that dont or rather a template. the eijhjerner(how do you spell that)

so it is not rule 0
hovnarr
09-09-07, 12:20 PM I think +4 CR sounds about right. When considering LA adjustment, +6 is the generally agreed upon number AFAIK.

If you look at it like a template, you also have to consider the HD of the base creature. At level 10, DR 10/epic and SR 32 is very powerful and you should probably count it as more than +4 CR. At epic levels, it's cute but nothing less than you should expect from opponents.

Being a god brings about certain subtle benefits though, such as ignoring an Antimagic Field. There's also some interesting immunities, even at DvR 0 (immunity to mind-affecting and transmutation rules out most save-or-suffers).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
vegetalss4 08-25-07, 06:23 AM	i got an question. if i applied Diven rank 0 to a monster how much would its cr increase?
Kain Darkwind 08-25-07, 03:20 PM	i got an question. if i applied Diven rank 0 to a monster how much would its cr increase? Depends on what natural immunities the monster had. At the extreme low levels, many of the immunities aren't even available to a party as attack options, so they are moot. At the extreme high levels, the base creature may possess those immunities already. I'd go with +4 as a nice easy flat number, but you'd have to determine case by case. DR 10/epic will probably render most 4th level or lower parties incapable of physical combat with the creature. SR 32 will put most spellcasters out of work. Etc. Consider these things.
vegetalss4 08-25-07, 03:57 PM	well... thx (i use this surfix because i cant spell the word:embarrass ) the sorcerer mostly use magic missle anyway so that don mean much. and the bab deal hell of damege. so i think +4 will do nicely. so thx once agein
Aleolus 08-29-07, 02:55 AM	...Dude, a Sorc casting Magic Missile would still need to beat his SR to get the spell to affect him. SR 32 means that you need a Caster Check of at least 33 to affect him, meaning 1d20+caster level+ one other bonus, I think it's the one from your spellcasting stat.
vegetalss4 08-29-07, 01:12 PM	...Dude, a Sorc casting Magic Missile would still need to beat his SR to get the spell to affect him. SR 32 means that you need a Caster Check of at least 33 to affect him, meaning 1d20+caster level+ one other bonus, I think it's the one from your spellcasting stat. you are right and i already know that. i just was pretty damn sure magic misslie where one of those few spells who did ignore spell resistance. turns out i was wrong:embarrass
Aleolus 08-29-07, 07:52 PM	I think most damage dealing spells do not ignore spell resistance. None that I know of do, but then, I'm not the Spell Compendium, so I don't know for sure.
Kain Darkwind 08-29-07, 11:08 PM	Damage dealing spells that are Conjuration seem to ignore SR more than those that are Evocation. Incidentaly, like AC, you only need to match SR, not beat it. A caster level check 32 is required to penetrate SR 32. Not 33.
vegetalss4 09-02-07, 05:43 AM	thx for the clarification kain
Kyuketsukiouji 09-03-07, 02:54 PM	Don't forget that even DR 0 grants the divine stat array.
vegetalss4 09-03-07, 03:21 PM	no they dont. thats only if i deside so and if i make a deity.
Kyuketsukiouji 09-05-07, 11:18 PM	Well given that you're the DM, yes, of course it's "only if you decide so". You are correct that a non-god DR 0 quasi-deity monster doesn't get the array.
vegetalss4 09-09-07, 11:33 AM	there even is one in dieties and demigods that dont or rather a template. the eijhjerner(how do you spell that) so it is not rule 0
hovnarr 09-09-07, 12:20 PM	I think +4 CR sounds about right. When considering LA adjustment, +6 is the generally agreed upon number AFAIK. If you look at it like a template, you also have to consider the HD of the base creature. At level 10, DR 10/epic and SR 32 is very powerful and you should probably count it as more than +4 CR. At epic levels, it's cute but nothing less than you should expect from opponents. Being a god brings about certain subtle benefits though, such as ignoring an Antimagic Field. There's also some interesting immunities, even at DvR 0 (immunity to mind-affecting and transmutation rules out most save-or-suffers).