Efreeti diety [Archive] - Wizards Community

Efreeti diety [Archive] - Wizards Community

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maddog0714
05-01-07, 02:22 PM Does anyone know if the Efreeti has an Efreeti diety, I know they have sultans in the city of brass, but what about dieties and its name?
Rerecros
05-01-07, 02:39 PM They're outsiders, their sultan probably is a deity.
The leaders of all the outsider races tend to have some divine rank.
Gemstone
05-01-07, 02:57 PM I would say there's a big chance that they worship Surt, the deity of fire giants, since he's evil (I don't remember if he's chaotic or not) and a being of fire.
Shar_the_Black
05-01-07, 03:17 PM I always assumed that the efreeti were loyal to Kossuth, the plane of fire's local deity. (Check out the FR pantheon)
ripvanwormer
05-01-07, 03:58 PM Their sultan, Marrake, is not a deity. He's just a powerful efreeti sorcerer.

They are not very loyal to Kossuth; a mosque dedicated to Kossuth does exist in the City of Brass, but it is long abandoned and his worship is discouraged.

There is a mosque to Surtr in the City of Brass as well, where he is worshipped by the fire giants who live there. The efreet acknowledge Surtr's power but do not worship him.

Other mosques in the City of Brass include one to the Indian god Agni, one to the elemental prince of evil Imix, one to the Norse goddess Freya (who the efreet call Freyal), and one to the native American god Hastezini. Of those, Freya and Agni are the most popular among the common efreeti, while Imix and Hastezini are the favorites among the ruling efreet. Imix is also popular among the warrior caste and many efreeti servant races. Most of this information is from Secrets of the Lamp.

Defenders of the Faith and Complete Divine identify a neutral evil deity called Kaelthiere as the god of azer, efreet, and salmanders.
Gemstone
05-01-07, 06:13 PM one to the Norse goddess Freya (who the efreet call Freyal)
I must ask... why?
ripvanwormer
05-01-07, 07:01 PM I must ask... why?

Good question. They needed a fertility goddess, and Freya was the one who captured their imaginations. Maybe it could as easily have been Brigid, or Aphrodite, or Ehlonna, but Freya was the one whose clerics or minions were at the right place at the right time to introduce her faith to the common efreet when they were looking for someone to guide them to love and children. As a member of the Vanir, Freya didn't have the prejudice so many of the Aesir have against monstrous things - she's a witchy, uncanny goddess, comfortable around things others might deem unholy. Perhaps Freya performed a miracle or did the efreet a favor at some point.

Keep in mind that, at least in 2nd edition, common efreet are neutral in alignment; only the nobles are lawful evil, though their tyranny defines much of what outsiders see in efreeti culture.
ArcTan
05-02-07, 02:02 AM The concept on which the efreet are based is the Quran's ifrit, whose primary defining characteristic is their pride and unwillingness to bow in worship to Allah. Thus it makes sense that D&D Efreet seem to not, in general, be a very pious race.
DwarfPcfan
05-03-07, 12:56 PM The concept on which the efreet are based is the Quran's ifrit, whose primary defining characteristic is their pride and unwillingness to bow in worship to Allah. Thus it makes sense that D&D Efreet seem to not, in general, be a very pious race.

actually, that is false, the ifrit where a type of Djinn said to be composed of smokless fire. Most efreeti where loyal servants of Allah. Those that disobeyed Allah where opposed by the effreet and Djinn that served Allah. They mostly opposed Allah when he asked them to bow before Adam but refused

As a matter of fact, the first djinn to oppose Allah, Chaytan not only refused to bow before Adam but set out to spread ill-will and anguish amongst humans

Check wikipedia under Djinn...
El_Machinae
05-04-07, 01:03 PM I'm under the impression that (in general) racial outsiders tend not to have specific deities. Deities tend to look to the Prime for worshippers.
ripvanwormer
05-04-07, 10:08 PM I'm under the impression that (in general) racial outsiders tend not to have specific deities. Deities tend to look to the Prime for worshippers.

Some do. Bariaurs worship Ehlonna, mercanes worship Boccob, and xill worship Sixen, for example. But many don't: the eladrins have little use for deities, to give another example, and the yugoloths treat deities with contempt.

Genies in general aren't particularly devout; the efreet are among the most devout among them, actually. Perhaps it's their lawful-leaning nature.

In case you're curious, here are the major mosques in the capitals of the various genie races, according to the 2nd edition accessory Secrets of the Lamp:

Dao: Grumbar, Jauhar the Gemmed, Jisan the Bountiful, Waukeen, Vergadain, Khurgorbaeyag, Abbathor, Leira, the Forgotten God

Djinni: Thunder, Wind, Shu, Susanoo, Remnis, Aerdrie Faenya, Haku, Hakiyah

Efreeti: Agni, Imix, Kossuth, Freyal, Surtr, Hastsezini

Marid: Jisan of the Floods, Ahto, Blibdoolpoolp, Manakharlar (Manannan mac Lir), Tefnut, Eadro, Kar'r'rga, Sekolah, Persana.

Janni: Hajama, Najm, Haku

Not all those gods are worshiped by the genies in question, they just have mosques dedicated to them, sometimes for the benefit of their servants. And there may be others; those are just the major ones. The most popular gods among the dao is Jauhar and Jisan, the most popular among the djinn are Haku and Hakiya, and the most popular among the marids is Jisan. The efreet like Agni, Imix, Freyal, and Hastsezini.

About the Freya/efreeti connection, I notice that in 2nd edition Legends & Lore, much is made about the connection between Freya and fire. It gives her symbol as "fire in the shape of a woman," says "In the sense that passion is a hot, consuming emotion, she is also associated with fire," says she has the power to control fires anywhere on Midgard, and says anyone struck by her avatar's fiery dagger must save or burst into flames.
Runepriest
05-05-07, 10:38 PM Surtr is LE. Like fire giants. With ketchup on top.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
maddog0714 05-01-07, 02:22 PM	Does anyone know if the Efreeti has an Efreeti diety, I know they have sultans in the city of brass, but what about dieties and its name?
Rerecros 05-01-07, 02:39 PM	They're outsiders, their sultan probably is a deity. The leaders of all the outsider races tend to have some divine rank.
Gemstone 05-01-07, 02:57 PM	I would say there's a big chance that they worship Surt, the deity of fire giants, since he's evil (I don't remember if he's chaotic or not) and a being of fire.
Shar_the_Black 05-01-07, 03:17 PM	I always assumed that the efreeti were loyal to Kossuth, the plane of fire's local deity. (Check out the FR pantheon)
ripvanwormer 05-01-07, 03:58 PM	Their sultan, Marrake, is not a deity. He's just a powerful efreeti sorcerer. They are not very loyal to Kossuth; a mosque dedicated to Kossuth does exist in the City of Brass, but it is long abandoned and his worship is discouraged. There is a mosque to Surtr in the City of Brass as well, where he is worshipped by the fire giants who live there. The efreet acknowledge Surtr's power but do not worship him. Other mosques in the City of Brass include one to the Indian god Agni, one to the elemental prince of evil Imix, one to the Norse goddess Freya (who the efreet call Freyal), and one to the native American god Hastezini. Of those, Freya and Agni are the most popular among the common efreeti, while Imix and Hastezini are the favorites among the ruling efreet. Imix is also popular among the warrior caste and many efreeti servant races. Most of this information is from Secrets of the Lamp. Defenders of the Faith and Complete Divine identify a neutral evil deity called Kaelthiere as the god of azer, efreet, and salmanders.
Gemstone 05-01-07, 06:13 PM	one to the Norse goddess Freya (who the efreet call Freyal) I must ask... why?
ripvanwormer 05-01-07, 07:01 PM	I must ask... why? Good question. They needed a fertility goddess, and Freya was the one who captured their imaginations. Maybe it could as easily have been Brigid, or Aphrodite, or Ehlonna, but Freya was the one whose clerics or minions were at the right place at the right time to introduce her faith to the common efreet when they were looking for someone to guide them to love and children. As a member of the Vanir, Freya didn't have the prejudice so many of the Aesir have against monstrous things - she's a witchy, uncanny goddess, comfortable around things others might deem unholy. Perhaps Freya performed a miracle or did the efreet a favor at some point. Keep in mind that, at least in 2nd edition, common efreet are neutral in alignment; only the nobles are lawful evil, though their tyranny defines much of what outsiders see in efreeti culture.
ArcTan 05-02-07, 02:02 AM	The concept on which the efreet are based is the Quran's ifrit, whose primary defining characteristic is their pride and unwillingness to bow in worship to Allah. Thus it makes sense that D&D Efreet seem to not, in general, be a very pious race.
DwarfPcfan 05-03-07, 12:56 PM	The concept on which the efreet are based is the Quran's ifrit, whose primary defining characteristic is their pride and unwillingness to bow in worship to Allah. Thus it makes sense that D&D Efreet seem to not, in general, be a very pious race. actually, that is false, the ifrit where a type of Djinn said to be composed of smokless fire. Most efreeti where loyal servants of Allah. Those that disobeyed Allah where opposed by the effreet and Djinn that served Allah. They mostly opposed Allah when he asked them to bow before Adam but refused As a matter of fact, the first djinn to oppose Allah, Chaytan not only refused to bow before Adam but set out to spread ill-will and anguish amongst humans Check wikipedia under Djinn...
El_Machinae 05-04-07, 01:03 PM	I'm under the impression that (in general) racial outsiders tend not to have specific deities. Deities tend to look to the Prime for worshippers.
ripvanwormer 05-04-07, 10:08 PM	I'm under the impression that (in general) racial outsiders tend not to have specific deities. Deities tend to look to the Prime for worshippers. Some do. Bariaurs worship Ehlonna, mercanes worship Boccob, and xill worship Sixen, for example. But many don't: the eladrins have little use for deities, to give another example, and the yugoloths treat deities with contempt. Genies in general aren't particularly devout; the efreet are among the most devout among them, actually. Perhaps it's their lawful-leaning nature. In case you're curious, here are the major mosques in the capitals of the various genie races, according to the 2nd edition accessory Secrets of the Lamp: Dao: Grumbar, Jauhar the Gemmed, Jisan the Bountiful, Waukeen, Vergadain, Khurgorbaeyag, Abbathor, Leira, the Forgotten God Djinni: Thunder, Wind, Shu, Susanoo, Remnis, Aerdrie Faenya, Haku, Hakiyah Efreeti: Agni, Imix, Kossuth, Freyal, Surtr, Hastsezini Marid: Jisan of the Floods, Ahto, Blibdoolpoolp, Manakharlar (Manannan mac Lir), Tefnut, Eadro, Kar'r'rga, Sekolah, Persana. Janni: Hajama, Najm, Haku Not all those gods are worshiped by the genies in question, they just have mosques dedicated to them, sometimes for the benefit of their servants. And there may be others; those are just the major ones. The most popular gods among the dao is Jauhar and Jisan, the most popular among the djinn are Haku and Hakiya, and the most popular among the marids is Jisan. The efreet like Agni, Imix, Freyal, and Hastsezini. About the Freya/efreeti connection, I notice that in 2nd edition Legends & Lore, much is made about the connection between Freya and fire. It gives her symbol as "fire in the shape of a woman," says "In the sense that passion is a hot, consuming emotion, she is also associated with fire," says she has the power to control fires anywhere on Midgard, and says anyone struck by her avatar's fiery dagger must save or burst into flames.
Runepriest 05-05-07, 10:38 PM	Surtr is LE. Like fire giants. With ketchup on top.