Elemental Princes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Elemental Princes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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nycterlord
09-29-07, 12:54 PM i am running an elemental-evil-based campaign, and I don't have Deities and demigods, so i was wondering-
are there holy symbols for the princes of elemental evil(i.e., Olhydra, Imix, etc.)
if so where can i get them?:confused: :plotting: oh yessssss, it will be mine . . . .the grail . . . . .:evillaugh
Calmar
09-29-07, 01:35 PM Where there is divine magic, there is holy symbols -- at least as far as I know. Although I do not know any official symbols for the princes, I would say that their respective elements should work well as holy symbols when you pray to them.
If you have the Planar Handbook you could use pure elements (p. 77).
BOZ
09-29-07, 03:10 PM hi. :) when we wrote "Princes of Elemental Evil" for Dragon #347 (and its companion piece, "Princes of Elemental Good" in Dragon #353"), we did not include information on using traditional holy symbols with them. however, each god does have it's own personal sigil, which i can only assume could be inscribed upon a traditional clerical holy symbol.
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi
09-30-07, 09:25 AM Well, MM4 does include some information on the Princes of Elemental Evil, including the fact that they tend to use as their holy symbols a personalization of the holy symbol of the Elder Elemental Eye. The same book includes other info on Tharizdun, plus the Avatars of Elemental Evil and a few monsters with affiliation to the cult. You may consider it a good buy. It's my only experience with the Elemental Evil plot, but just based on MM4, I love it.
BOZ
09-30-07, 10:23 AM i forgot about that. we finished the first Dragon article before the MM4 came out, so we did not know what was going to be in it and therefore did not incorporate any info from it into the article! :)
Calmar
10-02-07, 08:55 AM I see, the emphasis lies on *evil*, not on *elemental*... :embarrass :D
Mindolin
10-02-07, 10:23 AM First, I don't think the Elemental Princes are actual gods. However, if you want something that should tie in to the RtToEE, then check it out and use the symbols they have on one of the last pages.
Thanael
10-02-07, 11:05 AM You could use the runes/symbols for the respective material:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/ripvanwormer/glyphs.jpg
(from the From the Ashes boxed set)
The Ubbergeek
10-02-07, 08:19 PM They have god bosses - in FR, they are called Kossuth, Grumbar, Akadi and I forgot the water one ^^; Someone told me that they exist also in base, Grehawkian D&D also. Not sure.
BOZ
10-02-07, 09:18 PM Istishia.

they were originally used in base D&D prior to 3rd edition, but that kind of fell out of style and they're pretty much just FR gods now.
The Ubbergeek
10-02-07, 10:46 PM Istishia.

they were originally used in base D&D prior to 3rd edition, but that kind of fell out of style and they're pretty much just FR gods now.

Well, thank you. They still can work in his campaign - they are pretty much generic and mysterious... the only one with a significat part is Kossuth, who have a part in Thay's history.
Thanael
10-03-07, 10:07 AM Istishia et al are in the Living Greyhawk Deities pdf (http://www.wizards.com/rpga/downloads/LG_Deities.zip).
Franco Un-American
10-03-07, 04:50 PM No, they're not. That document has none of th elemental deities in it.
Thanael
10-04-07, 07:48 AM Oops? Really? :embarrass My bad.

Hmmm. Wikipedia should cover the basics. I believe they're in the 2E Faiths & Avatars. Also
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kossuth
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Grumbar
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Istishia
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Akadi
Altar_Boy
10-04-07, 01:57 PM I see, the emphasis lies on *evil*, not on *elemental*... :embarrass :D

Therapist: "So Scott. What do you want to be when you grow up?"

Scott Evil: "I don't know. An Elemental Prince."

Dr. Evil: "An Evil Elemental Prince?"

Scott Evil: "See? You're doing it again!" :mad:

Dr. Evil: "What?" :confused:
BOZ
10-04-07, 07:56 PM heh heh :)

Scottie don't!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nycterlord 09-29-07, 12:54 PM	i am running an elemental-evil-based campaign, and I don't have Deities and demigods, so i was wondering- are there holy symbols for the princes of elemental evil(i.e., Olhydra, Imix, etc.) if so where can i get them?:confused: :plotting: oh yessssss, it will be mine . . . .the grail . . . . .:evillaugh
Calmar 09-29-07, 01:35 PM	Where there is divine magic, there is holy symbols -- at least as far as I know. Although I do not know any official symbols for the princes, I would say that their respective elements should work well as holy symbols when you pray to them. If you have the Planar Handbook you could use pure elements (p. 77).
BOZ 09-29-07, 03:10 PM	hi. :) when we wrote "Princes of Elemental Evil" for Dragon #347 (and its companion piece, "Princes of Elemental Good" in Dragon #353"), we did not include information on using traditional holy symbols with them. however, each god does have it's own personal sigil, which i can only assume could be inscribed upon a traditional clerical holy symbol.
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi 09-30-07, 09:25 AM	Well, MM4 does include some information on the Princes of Elemental Evil, including the fact that they tend to use as their holy symbols a personalization of the holy symbol of the Elder Elemental Eye. The same book includes other info on Tharizdun, plus the Avatars of Elemental Evil and a few monsters with affiliation to the cult. You may consider it a good buy. It's my only experience with the Elemental Evil plot, but just based on MM4, I love it.
BOZ 09-30-07, 10:23 AM	i forgot about that. we finished the first Dragon article before the MM4 came out, so we did not know what was going to be in it and therefore did not incorporate any info from it into the article! :)
Calmar 10-02-07, 08:55 AM	I see, the emphasis lies on evil, not on elemental... :embarrass :D
Mindolin 10-02-07, 10:23 AM	First, I don't think the Elemental Princes are actual gods. However, if you want something that should tie in to the RtToEE, then check it out and use the symbols they have on one of the last pages.
Thanael 10-02-07, 11:05 AM	You could use the runes/symbols for the respective material: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/ripvanwormer/glyphs.jpg (from the From the Ashes boxed set)
The Ubbergeek 10-02-07, 08:19 PM	They have god bosses - in FR, they are called Kossuth, Grumbar, Akadi and I forgot the water one ^^; Someone told me that they exist also in base, Grehawkian D&D also. Not sure.
BOZ 10-02-07, 09:18 PM	Istishia. they were originally used in base D&D prior to 3rd edition, but that kind of fell out of style and they're pretty much just FR gods now.
The Ubbergeek 10-02-07, 10:46 PM	Istishia. they were originally used in base D&D prior to 3rd edition, but that kind of fell out of style and they're pretty much just FR gods now. Well, thank you. They still can work in his campaign - they are pretty much generic and mysterious... the only one with a significat part is Kossuth, who have a part in Thay's history.
Thanael 10-03-07, 10:07 AM	Istishia et al are in the Living Greyhawk Deities pdf (http://www.wizards.com/rpga/downloads/LG_Deities.zip).
Franco Un-American 10-03-07, 04:50 PM	No, they're not. That document has none of th elemental deities in it.
Thanael 10-04-07, 07:48 AM	Oops? Really? :embarrass My bad. Hmmm. Wikipedia should cover the basics. I believe they're in the 2E Faiths & Avatars. Also http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Kossuth http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Grumbar http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Istishia http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Akadi
Altar_Boy 10-04-07, 01:57 PM	I see, the emphasis lies on evil, not on elemental... :embarrass :D Therapist: "So Scott. What do you want to be when you grow up?" Scott Evil: "I don't know. An Elemental Prince." Dr. Evil: "An Evil Elemental Prince?" Scott Evil: "See? You're doing it again!" :mad: Dr. Evil: "What?" :confused:
BOZ 10-04-07, 07:56 PM	heh heh :) Scottie don't!